On Dec 14, 12:32*pm, Billy Burpelson wrote:
RHF wrote:
BP -you misspoke yourself- Chrysler, 1979 was 'not' a Bail-Out :
IT WAS A LOAN and It got Paid Back in Full with Interest.

Absolutely correct -- and unless the millions of words spoken on the
topic by ALL the media were wrong, the Big 3 -are- looking for LOANS, a
'bridge' loan. Get it? 'Bailout' was *Shelby's* term that I was using.
(BTW, the previous point just illustrates more of Shelby's hypocrisy).

=IF= As you claim the 'difference' between the BIG-3
the 'Other' US Domestic Auto Makes is the Retirement
Costs of the UAW Retirees : Then Transfer Them All To
Social Secuirty and as a Tax Payer I will Gladly Paid to
See that They Get What Everyone Else Gets : BUT !
I Say HELL NO To Paying Them More Than [DOUBLE
and TRIPLE] What Their Fellow Citizens Receiving Social
Security Are Getting : That's Fair and That's Equitable.

Huh? Roy, what in the -hell- are you talking about? Pensions are
pensions and Social Security is Social Security. They were promised
their pension contractually. They earned their pension fair and square.
It is totally different than Social Security. Pensions are 'over and
above and in addition to' what people get from SS. "Double or triple"
has NOTHING to do with the issue. It is what they were contractually
promised and what they earned. You are mixing apples and oranges. They
are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

BP,

Tell that to all the 'other' US Pensioners who have been
Shafted by the US Federal Government Laws that allowed
United Airlines and countless other American Retirees
to lose most; if not all their Private Company Pensions.
Many/Most now get social Security as their only Pension
now; or as a Supplement to a Greatly Reduced Pension.

Once again in the name of Equality and Fairness the
UAW Retirees deserve No Better and Deserve No Worse
then Other Private Pension Plan Retirees who's Company's
have Gone Bankrupt and been force to Divest themselve
of burdensome Retiree Cost and Re-Structure to become
Viable as a Business Again.

Plus once again the US Taxpayers many of whom are
Social Security Retirees should not have to pay for
exorbitant Bankrupt Retirement Plans for UAW Retirees
when they themselves only receive a half or a third of
the amount themselves. ?Why" in the interest of Equality
and Fairness for All Retirees Who the US Government
{Taxpayers} are Picking-Up the Tab.

BP - Everyone Knows That The BIG-3 and The UAW
Wants To Dump The Retirement Cost On the US Tax
Payers : AND I SAY HELL NO TO THAT [.] ~ RHF