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Antenna for shortwave reception
Folks,
I have purchased a Sangean ATS-909 World Receiver. It is equipped with an internal ferrite antenna för MW and LW, and a telescope antenna for SW and FM. It also comes with a portable SW antenna (ANT-60), seven meters long. Is this external antenna generally sufficient for SW reception, or should I get a different antenna? If yes, is there a solution that doesn't cost all that much money? I have a copy of the 2009 World Radio TV Handbook, and they are talking about a Wellbrook ALA-1530+ loop antenna, and let me tell you, that one is well past my budget, because it costs $466... I am looking for something a lot cheaper... :-) If it is recommended to replace the ANT-60, that is. PJ |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. No amateurs operate on all frequencies idiot. Idiot, he said connect an antenna to the whip. No he didn't idiot. He even mentioned that the radio comes with the ANT-60 antenna, which plugs into the antenna jack not clip onto the whip antenna. The clip is for holding the far end of the windup part of the antenna to something so the antenna can be held off the ground, idiot. An amateur idiot answered with the clip a wire to the whip comment, idiot. Now you propose he drills a hole though the battery compartment of the radio to gain access to some sort of ground; or else, do a DIY antenna somewhere on the case by dismantling the radio? Well that shows to everyone the news group that you are a complete idiot. I suggest you go post somewhere else idiot. Now I remember why I wrote you off as a total idiot ... Brainless worthless key clown. You don't understand what you post about so you take shots at people like me that do. Must be tough to be you. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: SNIP Now I remember why I wrote you off as a total idiot ... Just another ignorant cowardly retard with a gmail account posting from a open server. What a big surprise. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
In article , John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. No amateurs operate on all frequencies idiot. Idiot, he said connect an antenna to the whip. No he didn't idiot. He even mentioned that the radio comes with the ANT-60 antenna, which plugs into the antenna jack not clip onto the whip antenna. The clip is for holding the far end of the windup part of the antenna to something so the antenna can be held off the ground, idiot. An amateur idiot answered with the clip a wire to the whip comment, idiot. Now you propose he drills a hole though the battery compartment of the radio to gain access to some sort of ground; or else, do a DIY antenna somewhere on the case by dismantling the radio? Well that shows to everyone the news group that you are a complete idiot. I suggest you go post somewhere else idiot. Now I remember why I wrote you off as a total idiot ... Brainless worthless key clown. You don't understand what you post about so you take shots at people like me that do. Must be tough to be you. You are the worst fool I have run into in any of the electronics groups, and, right up there with the worst-of-the-worst from other groups ... obviously, a trained tech who has never had in-depth math, science and physics education ... sorry, so very, very sorry ... :-( However, that is only my humble opinion. I am sure you can produce even more uneducated fools which will claim to kiss yer' arse ... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
... Just another ignorant cowardly retard with a gmail account posting from a open server. What a big surprise. Another idiotic, know-it-all, remark which leaves your ignorance hanging in a sea of stupidiy ... albasani is a free server, set up to provide free speech (however, some idiots just feel better when the pay for free things, to them, and you, I say, go for it!--I do not waste a second of my time protecting idiots from themselves. Most computer savvy would use such ... and the Gmail? Most computer savvy would also use it, along with Thunderbird and K9 (K9 makes gmail spam filtering fool proof--if one is savvy enough to set it up correctly ... ) And, perhaps the main reason why, I can pass out my email with absolutely immunity to angry/childish-fools/spam/phishing/scams/etc. ... Sounds like you know about as much about software applications as you do antennas--however, I do realize your plight, if you only spoke about those things you had a valid/up-to-date education in, you would have to remain silent, IMHO ... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
In article , John Smith wrote: SNIP Now I remember why I wrote you off as a total idiot ... Just another ignorant cowardly retard with a gmail account posting from a open server. What a big surprise. However, I did think his radio was a "cheapie" with no real antenna jack. And, since the Ant-60 comes with an alligator clip so it can attached to the whip, it only reinforced "my guess." And, if that were not enough to lead me astray, someone else recommended a long wire attached to the whip (a "fix" I frequently use on radios I travel with, although I do use a current balun to provide improved performance on most SW freqs by taking the, generally, low impedance of the long wire and matching it to the multi-kilo-ohm impedance of the whip ... No problem though, since having first hand experience with the Ant-60, and if it were mine, I would toss it in the trash, attach a ~60 ft, and get it in the air as high as possible, sanely taking into consideration the environment I am deploying it in. Then provide the antenna with a suitable DC ground, 1mh choke, or so, across the jack to grnd ... again, better, IMHO ... (I have to admit, the reel is handy on the Ant-60, I have to wind mine up around a short length of 8" PVC pipe.) Very handy "dangled" out the porthole of a ship ... It would give him increased reception and eliminate any danger of any type of voltage on the "hot" antenna ... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. No amateurs operate on all frequencies idiot. Idiot, he said connect an antenna to the whip. No he didn't idiot. He even mentioned that the radio comes with the ANT-60 antenna, which plugs into the antenna jack not clip onto the whip antenna. The clip is for holding the far end of the windup part of the antenna to something so the antenna can be held off the ground, idiot. An amateur idiot answered with the clip a wire to the whip comment, idiot. Now you propose he drills a hole though the battery compartment of the radio to gain access to some sort of ground; or else, do a DIY antenna somewhere on the case by dismantling the radio? Well that shows to everyone the news group that you are a complete idiot. I suggest you go post somewhere else idiot. Now I remember why I wrote you off as a total idiot ... Brainless worthless key clown. You don't understand what you post about so you take shots at people like me that do. Must be tough to be you. You are the worst fool I have run into in any of the electronics groups, and, right up there with the worst-of-the-worst from other groups ... obviously, a trained tech who has never had in-depth math, science and physics education ... sorry, so very, very sorry ... :-( Let's sum this up shall we. I give good information to the OP asking for advice and you give what? Nothing. You misconstrue what the OP wrote, what the amateur key clown wrote and then confronted with this say I'm the problem. Hilarious! You are a retard with a major comprehension problem. However, that is only my humble opinion. I am sure you can produce even more uneducated fools which will claim to kiss yer' arse ... And it looks like you have an anal preoccupation. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , John Smith wrote: SNIP Now I remember why I wrote you off as a total idiot ... Just another ignorant cowardly retard with a gmail account posting from a open server. What a big surprise. However, I did think his radio was a "cheapie" with no real antenna jack. Mistake one. And, since the Ant-60 comes with an alligator clip so it can attached to the whip, it only reinforced "my guess." Mistake two. And, if that were not enough to lead me astray, someone else recommended a long wire attached to the whip You mislead yourself - mistake three. (a "fix" I frequently use on radios I travel with, although I do use a current balun to provide improved performance on most SW freqs by taking the, generally, low impedance of the long wire and matching it to the multi-kilo-ohm impedance of the whip ... That's all very nice but has nothing to do with your previous contentious posts. No problem though, since having first hand experience with the Ant-60, and if it were mine, I would toss it in the trash, attach a ~60 ft, and get it in the air as high as possible, sanely taking into consideration the environment I am deploying it in. Then provide the antenna with a suitable DC ground, 1mh choke, or so, across the jack to grnd ... again, better, IMHO ... (I have to admit, the reel is handy on the Ant-60, I have to wind mine up around a short length of 8" PVC pipe.) Very handy "dangled" out the porthole of a ship ... It would give him increased reception and eliminate any danger of any type of voltage on the "hot" antenna ... That's all very nice smith but you are still a cowardly anonymous Trolling idiot. Go redeem yourself elsewhere as I'm not interested jerk. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: ... Just another ignorant cowardly retard with a gmail account posting from a open server. What a big surprise. Another idiotic, know-it-all, remark which leaves your ignorance hanging in a sea of stupidiy ... No, moron, I made a know something post which you elected not to do. albasani is a free server, set up to provide free speech Which you abuse. (however, some idiots just feel better when the pay for free things, to them, and you, I say, go for it!- You are just chock full of bad assumptions aren't you. I'm using my ISP's news server, which costs nothing "extra". I do not waste a second of my time protecting idiots from themselves. Oh my! What superiority complex you have! It's just to bad for you it is an empty threat. Most computer savvy would use such ... and the Gmail? Most computer savvy would also use it, along with Thunderbird and K9 (K9 makes gmail spam filtering fool proof--if one is savvy enough to set it up correctly ... ) And, perhaps the main reason why, I can pass out my email with absolutely immunity to angry/childish-fools/spam/phishing/scams/etc. ... Yes, you are savvy enough to be an anonymous Trolling idiot. I'm savvy enough to use one handle with an email address from my ISP and use my ISP's news server. Sounds like you know about as much about software applications as you do antennas--however, I do realize your plight, if you only spoke about those things you had a valid/up-to-date education in, you would have to remain silent, IMHO ... I don't use antenna software programs to do "antennas" as the calculations are just algebraic and can be done on calculators but I could understand why you would need them as a crutch. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
... I don't use antenna software programs to do "antennas" as the calculations are just algebraic and can be done on calculators but I could understand why you would need them as a crutch. Well, it is fun, to every once-in-a-while, unplonk you, give yas' a nice kick-in-the-teeth, then plonk you again ... and the time has come ... ROFLOL Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
[... and more chit] Here is a review: " Sangean ANT-60 Portable Short Wave Handy reel type wire antenna for portable shortwave radios increases sensitivity and improves reception. The wire is slightly on the thin side but it's sturdy and well made. An clip adaptor is included for radios without a 1/8" mini-jack that allows you to connect the reel antenna directly to the radio's external antenna ..." Obviously, he/she purchased one which worked identical to the POS I had ... And, as per my last post, a time to plonk has come ... not really a troll here, but the mentally handicapped are hard to resist, set up and you are in for one "bonkers session!" grin Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
[even more chit] plonk ... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
[more chit] yawn plonk ... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
[totally worthless chit] eyelids drooping plonk ... ZZZzzzz... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
[... loads of pure crap] yawn Did someone say something? final plonk ... Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
John Smith wrote:
Telamon wrote: [more chit] yawn plonk ... Regards, JS One last thing, here is a link: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000023VW2 It show the "alligator clip adapter" to go from the male 1/8 phono plug to the clip ... if you live in glass houses, don't throw stones ... IDIOT! Regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
PJ,
I've discovered there is no best antenna for everyone for shortwave listening. Ignore the trolls here, start off with your wire antenna, then experiment if you wish. I've tried a few things over the past few weeks and for me, just running a wire along the ground about 60 feet works best for me. I guess the only certain thing is that an antenna that runs outside will work better than an inside antenna. If you can't run one outside, try to put it by a window or up high in your house/apartment. Experimenting is part of the fun, just google around, play around, and have hours of fun on your new radio. I only in the last few weeks have rediscovered listening to SW radio. Happy listening. |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: [more chit] yawn plonk ... Don't go away mad, just go away idiot. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
In article ,
John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: ... I don't use antenna software programs to do "antennas" as the calculations are just algebraic and can be done on calculators but I could understand why you would need them as a crutch. Well, it is fun, to every once-in-a-while, unplonk you, give yas' a nice kick-in-the-teeth, then plonk you again ... and the time has come ... ROFLOL Yeah, you are kind of funny in a perverse way. You don't came across an idiot with a superiority complex every day. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: [totally worthless chit] eyelids drooping plonk ... ZZZzzzz... Dozing off are we? Attention span around 10 minutes or less? Make no mistake, and you have made plenty, you have been asleep all along jerk. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: [... loads of pure crap] yawn Did someone say something? final plonk ... The final what? fantasy? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
In article ,
John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: [... and more chit] I give an informed opinion and you give copy and paste. How wonderful of you to make that effort. Here is a review: " Sangean ANT-60 Portable Short Wave Handy reel type wire antenna for portable shortwave radios increases sensitivity and improves reception. The wire is slightly on the thin side but it's sturdy and well made. An clip adaptor is included for radios without a 1/8" mini-jack that allows you to connect the reel antenna directly to the radio's external antenna ..." Obviously, he/she purchased one which worked identical to the POS I had ... The POS is the individual (you) holding the radio. The radio is is just fine. And, as per my last post, a time to plonk has come ... not really a troll here, but the mentally handicapped are hard to resist, set up and you are in for one "bonkers session!" grin Do us all a favor and leave the news group idiot. Nobody needs a know nothing copy and paste artist around. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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, SC Dxing wrote: PJ, I've discovered there is no best antenna for everyone for shortwave listening. Ignore the trolls here, start off with your wire antenna, then experiment if you wish. I've tried a few things over the past few weeks and for me, just running a wire along the ground about 60 feet works best for me. I guess the only certain thing is that an antenna that runs outside will work better than an inside antenna. If you can't run one outside, try to put it by a window or up high in your house/apartment. Experimenting is part of the fun, just google around, play around, and have hours of fun on your new radio. I only in the last few weeks have rediscovered listening to SW radio. Again I edited the news group header. By all means experiment with antennas. You can learn a lot this way but what you find that "works" for you is dependent on your local noise environment. The antenna jack has two contacts that work with the plug barrel and tip. The barrel is the radio ground. You can use these two contacts with a complete antenna like a dipole or loop antenna or you can connect a single wire antenna to the tip and the barrel to a ground rod or wire on the ground under the single wire. If your noise environment is fairly low then this could work well. If not then you can try other antenna types. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
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John Smith wrote: John Smith wrote: Telamon wrote: [more chit] yawn plonk ... Regards, JS One last thing, here is a link: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000023VW2 The OP wrote he has this antenna Mr. comprehension impaired. It show the "alligator clip adapter" to go from the male 1/8 phono plug to the clip ... if you live in glass houses, don't throw stones ... IDIOT Oh great, more copy and paste from you and not even original in this thread. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
On Dec 23, 9:46*am, PJ wrote:
Folks, I have purchased a Sangean ATS-909 World Receiver. It is equipped with an internal ferrite antenna för MW and LW, and a telescope antenna for SW and FM. It also comes with a portable SW antenna (ANT-60), seven meters long. Is this external antenna generally sufficient for SW reception, or should I get a different antenna? If yes, is there a solution that doesn't cost all that much money? I have a copy of the 2009 World Radio TV Handbook, and they are talking about a Wellbrook ALA-1530+ loop antenna, and let me tell you, that one is well past my budget, because it costs $466... I am looking for something a lot cheaper... :-) If it is recommended to replace the ANT-60, that is. PJ PJ, So your objective is to 'buy' a relatively low cost Antenna for Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) to use with your Sangean ATS-909 World Receiver. Check-Out the / Sangean ATS-909 Users Group -aka- RadioShack DX-398 Users Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DX398/ Consider using a "Portable Wire Antenna" with your Sangean ATS-909 AM/FM Shortwave Radio : http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/portablewire.html * WebPage presented by Tom Sevart, N2UHC http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c73c4c94625fc7 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...89c8fd6fcb38f2 First "About" the Antenna Input of the Sangean ATS-909 AM/FM Shortwave Radio : The Sangean ATS-909 uses a 1/8" Stereo Jack for the External Antenna Input. Barrel = Circuit-Board-Ground (RF Signal Ground) Tip = Shortwave Antenna RF Signal Input Middle-Ring = AM/MW Antenna RF Signal Input READY-MADE - Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna that fits into the 45 Foot Long Range is the Par Electronics EF-SWL Antenna. [~$75US] It come with the Matching Transformer and 45 Feet of Flex-Weave Wire Antenna Element; and all you need to do is Install your Ground Rod; Rig the Wire Antenna Element; and Attach your Coax Cable. http://www.parelectronics.com/swl_end.htm http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT8.html http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/2205.html The Par EF-SWL is a moderate size Inverted "L" Antenna with 'low noise' characteristics : The PAR is the simplest Antenna for most of these 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radios and lends itself to the Inverted "L" Antenna configuration of about 45 Feet long with a 15 Foot Vertical-Up-Leg and a 30 Foot Horizontal-Out-Arm. With an Eight Ground Rod at the base and a Coax Cable feed-in-line. NOTE - Your biggest problem with using a Coax Cable with your Shortwave Antenna is coming up with an "Adapter" or Jumper Cable from the Coax Connector to the Radio's 1/8" Stereo Jack. Here is another 'low cost' SWL Antenna listed on eBay "Super Longwire All Band SW. Antenna and 9:1 Balun" http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ180315835723 * Has 80 Feet of Antenna Wire with a 9:1 Matching Transformer; plus 50 Feet of Coax Cable. * Rig as much of the 80 Feet of Antenna Wire in the Inverted "L" Configuration * Add an 8-foot Ground Rod * Run the Coax Cable to you Radio hope this helps - iane ~ RHF |
Antenna for shortwave reception
Telamon wrote:
In article , John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. http://www.qsl.net/g3cwi/mfj-259b.html |
Antenna for shortwave reception
In article ,
Dave wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. http://www.qsl.net/g3cwi/mfj-259b.html I have one of those. Good unit for the price. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
ALA-1530+ loop antenna, and let me tell you, that one is well past my
budget, because it costs $466... I am looking for something a lot cheaper... :-) If it is recommended to replace the ANT-60, that is. This is my favorite: http://www.antenna.it/military/log-periodic.htm But seriously folks, the cheapest for me was busting open a junk TV for the deflection coils. A qrp type ham antenna tuner will certainly help. Easy to build L type by using an AM tuning cap and hind wound coil on toilet paper roll. Use a piece of scrap brass for a slider. Put the whole thing on a block of wood and use clip leads to change it around for the best signal. The earphone jack can often be used for a ground point. |
Antenna for shortwave reception
On Dec 24, 3:36*am, RHF wrote:
On Dec 23, 9:46*am, PJ wrote: Folks, I have purchased a Sangean ATS-909 World Receiver. It is equipped with an internal ferrite antenna för MW and LW, and a telescope antenna for SW and FM. It also comes with a portable SW antenna (ANT-60), seven meters long. Is this external antenna generally sufficient for SW reception, or should I get a different antenna? If yes, is there a solution that doesn't cost all that much money? I have a copy of the 2009 World Radio TV Handbook, and they are talking about a Wellbrook ALA-1530+ loop antenna, and let me tell you, that one is well past my budget, because it costs $466... I am looking for something a lot cheaper... :-) If it is recommended to replace the ANT-60, that is. PJ PJ, So your objective is to 'buy' a relatively low cost Antenna for Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) to use with your Sangean ATS-909 World Receiver. Check-Out the / Sangean ATS-909 Users Group -aka- RadioShack DX-398 Users Grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DX398/ Consider using a "Portable Wire Antenna" with your Sangean ATS-909 AM/FM Shortwave Radio :http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/portablewire.html * WebPage presented by Tom Sevart, N2UHChttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/09c73c4c94625fc7http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/a789c8fd6fcb38f2 First "About" the Antenna Input of the Sangean ATS-909 AM/FM Shortwave Radio : The Sangean ATS-909 uses a 1/8" Stereo Jack for the External Antenna Input. Barrel = Circuit-Board-Ground (RF Signal Ground) Tip = Shortwave Antenna RF Signal Input Middle-Ring = AM/MW Antenna RF Signal Input READY-MADE - Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna that fits into the 45 Foot Long Range is the Par Electronics EF-SWL Antenna. [~$75US] It come with the Matching Transformer and 45 Feet of Flex-Weave Wire Antenna Element; and all you need to do is Install your Ground Rod; Rig the Wire Antenna Element; and Attach your Coax Cable.http://www.parelectronics.com/swl_en..._ant/2205.html The Par EF-SWL is a moderate size Inverted "L" Antenna with 'low noise' characteristics : The PAR is the simplest Antenna for most of these 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radios and lends itself to the Inverted "L" Antenna configuration of about 45 Feet long with a 15 Foot Vertical-Up-Leg and a 30 Foot Horizontal-Out-Arm. *With an Eight Ground Rod at the base and a Coax Cable feed-in-line. NOTE - Your biggest problem with using a Coax Cable with your Shortwave Antenna is coming up with an "Adapter" or Jumper Cable from the Coax Connector to the Radio's 1/8" Stereo Jack. Here is another 'low cost' SWL Antenna listed on eBay "Super Longwire All Band SW. Antenna and 9:1 Balun"http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ180315835723 * Has 80 Feet of Antenna Wire with a 9:1 Matching Transformer; plus 50 Feet of Coax Cable. * Rig as much of the 80 Feet of Antenna Wire in the Inverted "L" Configuration * Add an 8-foot Ground Rod * Run the Coax Cable to you Radio hope this helps - iane ~ RHF *. SWL -Newbies- Installing an Inverted "L" Antenna : The Right-Way ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...ca62e0c0e838ea Wellbrook "Low Noise Antenna" 'design concept' using two components they manufactu the Universal Magnetic Balun (UMB) and the Antenna Feed Isolator (Feed-Line-Isolator). |
Antenna for shortwave reception
On Dec 24, 8:54*pm, John Smith wrote:
JB wrote: ALA-1530+ loop antenna, and let me tell you, that one is well past my budget, because it costs $466... I am looking for something a lot cheaper... :-) If it is recommended to replace the ANT-60, that is. This is my favorite: http://www.antenna.it/military/log-periodic.htm But seriously folks, the cheapest for me was busting open a junk TV for the deflection coils. * A qrp type ham antenna tuner will certainly help. *Easy to build L type by using an AM tuning cap and hind wound coil on toilet paper roll. *Use a piece of scrap brass for a slider. *Put the whole thing on a block of wood and use clip leads to change it around for the best signal. The earphone jack can often be used for a ground point. Huh, you triggered some memories. *Best antenna I ever had was when I was very young, probably ~8-10 years old, or so. *Long-wire which ran diagonally to property lines of my parents. *And, certainly, longer than 120 ft. *That antenna filled the bands, as I remember! No baluns, no matching, no knowledge of what I consider now, krist, it was most likely a very poor match to the input on the Collins, Hallicrafters, Zeniths, Gonsets, etc. which it was hooked to. * But, ya' know what? *Those were the best times of my life. *And, to be absolutely truthful with you, I did hope to hear aliens--as well as military, gov't, etc. *Some, I accomplished--but, no aliens which I am aware of ... :-( But, I never have had that much fun in my whole life, since those times ... the rest of life has been rather easy. I only hope youngsters can still find the same ... :-) Regards, JS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When I was in my teensI had access to a 5 mile beverage antenna in the form of abandoned telegraph lines. I used to plug in the AM radio in my car to it and listen for AM BCB dx. I could terminate either end and hook up to the opposite end. In the day it was also a great way to park with my date. Yes those were great times. Jimmie |
Antenna for shortwave reception
JIMMIE wrote:
... When I was in my teensI had access to a 5 mile beverage antenna in the form of abandoned telegraph lines. I used to plug in the AM radio in my car to it and listen for AM BCB dx. I could terminate either end and hook up to the opposite end. In the day it was also a great way to park with my date. Yes those were great times. Jimmie Amen brother, I pity those who have never felt the thrill, the mystery, the wonder, the indescribable feeling--while very slowly turning that dial ... and finding "that" signal! Warmest regards, JS |
Antenna for shortwave reception
PJ wrote: Folks, This is the OP speaking. Thanks for all the various tips and tricks! I don't care much for the unpleasant tone between some posters in the rec.radio.shortwave group, but there are still a few glimpses of good information that I can use. I was a very keen DX:er in the seventies, and I used a Swedish vacuum tube radio from 1952, named Nornan LV 1220, with a continous SW band from 15 meters to 120 meters. I still have it, and it still works, but I thought that I'd go a little more modern with the ATS-909... :-) Although I think that the LV 1220 is just as good when it comes to SW reception. I remember that my dream, in the seventies, was to hear the AFAN (American Forces Antarctic Network) SW transmissions here in Sweden. They then used a 1 kW transmitter, and I had heard that someone in the south of Sweden had been able to hear them at some point. Alas, I never did. I am pretty sure that I picked up the carrier wave, but I couldn't hear anything... Bummer... In the 2009 WRTH the AFAN are only listed as an FM station, so I guess that those days are over... Yes, the only way now to hear SWBC from Antarctica is via the Argentinian station, LRA36, on 15476 which normally operates Monday to Friday 1800-2100 in Spanish. Has certainly been heard in Europe and Scandinavia. dxAce Michigan USA |
Antenna for shortwave reception
On Dec 25, 2:02*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Dec 23, 3:25*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. No amateurs operate on all frequencies idiot. Idiot, he said connect an antenna to the whip. No he didn't idiot. He even mentioned that the radio comes with the ANT-60 antenna, which plugs into the antenna jack not clip onto the whip antenna. The clip is for holding the far end of the windup part of the antenna to something so the antenna can be held off the ground, idiot. Ummm - to try to remain on-topic, yes the 909 has an external antenna jack, although in my recollection it does not come with a suitable antenna, nor does that jack connect you in a meaningful way to the MW band if you connect it according to the instructions. *It must be done using a 3-conductor phono plug with one pair of conductors shorted (IIRC). *I do not have my reference for this handy, but the schematic is available last time I knew on various web sites. For that matter, I don't think the "clip to the whip" gives a meaningful MW boost either - just SW/HF. Bruce Jensen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I really need to break out my DX398/909 I was reading your post Bruce and I do seem to remember what you are saying. All I know is that I didn't get/didn't like what I was receiving using the internal antenna jack. Actually I was somewhat dissapointed when I got the radio. But there are many things one can do for that piece to make it a real dynamo on SW/BCB/FM. I sent mine to Chris Justice at RadioLabs and the mods he did really really changed my opinion of the receiver itself and I kept it. He installed another type of antenna connection to the back of the radio. I never really put up anything antenna wise to truly check that specific mod. |
Sangean ATS-909 Radio : One Radio : Two Antennas : AM/MW Loop &Shortwave Wire
On Dec 25, 11:02*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Dec 23, 3:25*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *John Smith wrote: Don't bring the amateur antenna group into these discussions. That group has a bunch of key clowns in it. Yeah, they actually build antennas for all frequencies, something you obviously do not ... ROFLOL Most amateurs do not. Most amateurs buy them. Most amateurs would not know how to build them. No amateurs operate on all frequencies idiot. Idiot, he said connect an antenna to the whip. No he didn't idiot. He even mentioned that the radio comes with the ANT-60 antenna, which plugs into the antenna jack not clip onto the whip antenna. The clip is for holding the far end of the windup part of the antenna to something so the antenna can be held off the ground, idiot. Ummm - to try to remain on-topic, yes the 909 has an external antenna jack, although in my recollection it does not come with a suitable antenna, nor does that jack connect you in a meaningful way to the MW band if you connect it according to the instructions. *It must be done using a 3-conductor phono plug with one pair of conductors shorted (IIRC). *I do not have my reference for this handy, but the schematic is available last time I knew on various web sites. For that matter, I don't think the "clip to the whip" gives a meaningful MW boost either - just SW/HF. Bruce Jensen For One and All, Sangean ATS-909 Radio : One Radio : Two Antennas : AM/MW Loop Antenna & Shortwave Wire Antenna The simplest thing for most Radio Listeners that are using the Sangean ATS-909 Radio is to use two Antenna Set-Ups : For Shortwave Radio Listening use an external {Outside} Improved Random Wire Antenna that http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm is 'connected' via the Radio's 1/8" Stereo External Antenna Input wired so that the : 1 - TIP is for the Shortwave {RF} Antenna Signal 2 - REAR BARREL is for the Ground Wire * Leaving the Center-Ring un-used. http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/images/antright.gif http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html For AM/MW/BCB Radio Listening place the Radio on a Lazy Susan along with an AM/MW Loop Antenna http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/mwant/4316.html 1 - TUNE Both for the best AM/MW Reception. 2 - ROTATE Both as a single unit for the best AM/MW Reception * UNPLUG the 1/8" Stereo External Shortwave Antenna Input when Listing to AM/MW Radio. http://www.radiointel.com/review-2loop.htm http://www.radiointel.com/review-degentg39.htm http://www.kaitousa.com/AN200.htm hope this helps - iane ~ RHF |
Antenna for shortwave reception
On Dec 26, 12:56*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *PJ wrote: Folks, This is the OP speaking. Thanks for all the various tips and tricks! I don't care much for the unpleasant tone between some posters in the rec.radio.shortwave group, but there are still a few glimpses of good information that I can use. SNIP edit news group header There are many good people interested in the hobby that post here with information. Sometimes you just have to knock the Trolling idiots over the head with a clue stick. Please don't cross post to rec.radio.amateur.antenna. Normally it would be the right thing to do but that amateur group has a real collection of idiots in it and this news group already has its share of that type. But if you insist on cross posting there I can guarantee you there will be more of what you don't like to see here. -- Telamon Ventura, California PJ - Telamon Is Right :o) i am a trolling idiot and i approve of his post ;-} ~ RHF {sa-prez : trolling idiots-r-us} |
Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas -versus- Amateur RadioAntennas
On Dec 26, 6:56*pm, John Smith wrote:
Roy Lewallen wrote: I can add a little information that might be helpful. When considering a receiving antenna, the single thing you need to be concerned about is signal to noise ratio. Unless your antenna is exceptionally poor and/or your receiver exceptionally noisy, making what you receive louder is just a matter of turning up the volume, or adding an audio amplifier if it's not loud enough. But it won't help you hear a station, because it and the noise will get louder in the same proportion. |
Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas -versus- Amateur RadioAntennas
RHF wrote:
... JS - You are replying like and Amateur Radio Operator [HAM] and are most likely You Are Technically Correct -wrt- Every item that you have pointed out is very valid for Amateur Radio [HAM] Operators. RL - In this instance Knows His Reader and is replying as a Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) to the Original Question : Which was posted by a SWL for Tips on what would be {how to make} a better SWL 'type' of Antenna. -wrt- The SWLer "RL" is Practically Correct. JS - You speak of Antenna 'resonance' while the SWL Antenna is by-design a board-banded "Random" Wire Antenna : Which is often used un-tuned across the Shortwave Radio Bands from 3~30 Mhz. Result : On-average-better-Signal-Levels -and- On-average-lower-Noise-Levels RL - Is very correct that for the Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) : Their Antenna's should give them improved 'better' Signal-to-Noise : So That They Can Hear More [.] two similar hobbies and two different objectives - iane ~ RHF . . Again, in the narrow context which you describe this, you are correct. But, there is no reason to NOT have an antenna of resonate length. A simple motor and a spring loaded real to take up slack will allow you to construct an antenna of variable length and multi-band capability. Indeed, only ones knowledge, "macguiverisms", and patience limits one .... as opposed to purchasing a product which is solely, usually, based on construction costs alone. I think the post, of mine, which you are responding to, with your above response, implied all this--I honestly meant to imply such ... or, in other words, you can only get out what you put in with your efforts, time, materials, knowledge, techniques, etc.; Or, i.e., the more thought, design and good construction practices used, the better the results. While some of us may search for the most simple constructions, others will go towards the most elaborate constructions--if anyone is like myself, complexity grew with understanding, knowledge, patience, etc. And, as I implied, Roy gave an answer which would have sufficed for, perhaps, the majority of SWL-ers... I did not fault it (his response), rather I expanded upon it ... no harm meant here, nor did I intend to "slight" anyone! HONEST! Regards, JS |
Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas -versus- Amateur RadioAntennas
On Dec 26, 8:30*pm, John Smith wrote:
RHF wrote: ... JS - You are replying like and Amateur Radio Operator [HAM] and are most likely You Are Technically Correct -wrt- Every item that you have pointed out is very valid for Amateur Radio [HAM] Operators. RL - In this instance Knows His Reader and is replying as a Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) to the Original Question : Which was posted by a SWL for Tips on what would be {how to make} a better SWL 'type' of Antenna. -wrt- The SWLer "RL" is Practically Correct. JS - You speak of Antenna 'resonance' while the SWL Antenna is by-design a board-banded "Random" Wire Antenna : Which is often used un-tuned across the Shortwave Radio Bands from 3~30 Mhz. Result : On-average-better-Signal-Levels -and- On-average-lower-Noise-Levels RL - Is very correct that for the Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) : Their Antenna's should give them improved 'better' Signal-to-Noise : So That They Can Hear More [.] two similar hobbies and two different objectives - iane ~ RHF *. *. Again, in the narrow context which you describe this, you are correct. But, there is no reason to NOT have an antenna of resonate length. *A simple motor and a spring loaded real to take up slack will allow you to construct an antenna of variable length and multi-band capability. Indeed, only ones knowledge, "macguiverisms", and patience limits one ... as opposed to purchasing a product which is solely, usually, based on construction costs alone. I think the post, of mine, which you are responding to, with your above response, implied all this--I honestly meant to imply such ... or, in other words, you can only get out what you put in with your efforts, time, materials, knowledge, techniques, etc.; Or, i.e., the more thought, design and good construction practices used, the better the results. While some of us may search for the most simple constructions, others will go towards the most elaborate constructions--if anyone is like myself, complexity grew with understanding, knowledge, patience, etc. And, as I implied, Roy gave an answer which would have sufficed for, perhaps, the majority of SWL-ers... I did not fault it (his response), rather I expanded upon it ... no harm meant here, nor did I intend to "slight" anyone! *HONEST! Regards, JS JS, Alas i am but a simple shortwave LISTENER I simply LISTEN and 'enjoy' what I LISTEN too Beyond that; when i LISTEN everything else is so much technical 'noise' JS - Enjoy "The Craft" of BEING an Amateur "Ham" Radio Operator -and- I am sure that you are a lot more . . . and rightly well deserved too. js - but alas i remain a simple shortwave listener who simply enjoys listening to the radio; cause practically speaking; that is what i do - - - respectfully ~ RHF |
Antenna for shortwave reception
In article ,
John Smith wrote: Roy Lewallen wrote: I can add a little information that might be helpful. When considering a receiving antenna, the single thing you need to be concerned about is signal to noise ratio. Unless your antenna is exceptionally poor and/or your receiver exceptionally noisy, making what you receive louder is just a matter of turning up the volume, or adding an audio amplifier if it's not loud enough. But it won't help you hear a station, because it and the noise will get louder in the same proportion. I differ; although, I can understand why Roy would reply in such a simplistic manner ... I agree with with Roy Lewallen. This is the only guy worth reading on that amateur antenna news group. If the antenna is resonate, matched to its' load, and is not using lossy construction practices--a very magical thing occurs. And, in such a situation, it appears as if a wire runs directly from the transmitter to your antenna. Nicola Tesla first documents this, then others ... However, most give up before they obtain the knowledge and construction practices which produce such antennas--and, indeed, if you wish broadband antennas, no matter how you construct them, they will only produce this performance on a narrow band of frequencies, or perhaps, just a single one ... but, they can be constructed to preform, reasonably well, over a broadband of frequencies or even bands. If you have immense focus, devotion to the construction of antennas, a reasonably astute mind, and the necessary skills, a willingness to construct until you have that "revelation"--the realization of all this awaits you. :-) Resonance is a wonderful thing but we talking about broadband antennas so the only way to mitigate this is to have to tune the antenna as you tune the radio. This can be done manually and remotely but is more work than most people would want to do tuning up and down the band. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that you bring up another parameter of antennas or circuits in general that offer an improvement to signal to noise. There are two main ways to improve signal to noise. Solution one is Roy's using antenna directional gain and nulls. This works because noise that comes from every direction is limited. The signal is also increased when it is in the part of the antenna pattern that has gain. The Mr. Smith solution limits bandwidth. This works because noise is broadband and so decreasing the bandwidth limits the noise. The signal is also increased when the tuned antenna resonates at that frequency. Two different parameters that in different ways improve signal to noise. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Antenna for shortwave reception
On Dec 23, 8:06*pm, SC Dxing wrote:
PJ, I've discovered there is no best antenna for everyone for shortwave listening. Ignore the trolls here, start off with your wire antenna, then experiment if you wish. I've tried a few things over the past few weeks and for me, just running a wire along the ground about 60 feet works best for me. I guess the only certain thing is that an antenna that runs outside will work better than an inside antenna. If you can't run one outside, try to put it by a window or up high in your house/apartment. Experimenting is part of the fun, just google around, play around, and have hours of fun on your new radio. I only in the last few weeks have rediscovered listening to SW radio. Happy listening. SC, Did you inductively couple the antenna to your whip? If you didn't you will notice a marked improvement if you do it that way. Just in case you don't know (I think I posted this already) grab you some wire (I use 11 or 12 gauge) and tightly wrap five-seven turns around your whip and cut the rest off. Pull about an inch of the plastic off and clip onto that. At one time I was doing the "exact" thing you are except I think my stretch of wire was 70ft. But I picking up a lot rf here and there, pretty high noise floor on some bands. When I coupled it that way the noise floor dropped to nothing. |
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