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Music-oriented FMs are utterly screwed - news/talk/sports on AM rules!
"PocketRadio" wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 1:56�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 12:46 pm, RHF wrote: "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio." FM listening is relatively stable over the last 25 years, while AM is off by 30%. Satellite had a net loss of subscribers last year, with a horrible Christmas season and low sales of new cars with pre-installs sealing that coffin. XM Sirius has no cash and nearly a half-billion in debt due in April. Right! TSL is way down for all of radio. So goes HD Radio: TSL for FM is down slightly... for AM it is off about 30% over the last 20 years. .. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... David Eduardo wrote: "RHF" wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 9:47 am, Bob Dobbs wrote: - Your only experience with what counts depends on - someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully - and having their circumstance being actually - representative of a desirable demographic rather than - the fantasy many of those people present as you do - in this forum. - - -- - - Operator Bob - Echo Charlie 42 Do people over the age of 50 even get Diaries ? Every age group, every ethnicity, each gender, and each geographic subset in a market (usually counties) is sampled in a form proportional to their presence in the market. To be counted ? ? ? Always have been. 55-64 and 65+ are two of the Arbitron demos. Or is that another sin of omission ? ? ? Nope. Only in your mind. Only in your mind. Hmmmm, kinda like those radio stations you claimed to have "owned"! And, like the amateur radio license you claimed to have "had" Both of which are true, making all of your statements false. Why don't you go count your rounds of ammo? |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ... "Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4962f4b8.8756359@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or DXX reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer advertisers. That blatant lie just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 It took a lot longer than two or three years for television to penetrate.. most people couldn't begin to afford a set. I think the first TV we had was in 1962. Mind you, not all were as poor as we were, but almost nobody I knew when I was very young had a television. It was still several months' pay to buy one new, and most of the "older" sets were still in use by their original owners because they were a heavy investment. TV started right after W.W. II, and they fury to get licenses was so great the FCC stopped granting them for nearly 3 years during the "Freeze" so they could revise the allocation system. Still, there were nearly 200 stations on the air and when the freeze lifted, several hundred more were granted, and got on very quickly. By 1955, the time I indicated, TV had over 60% penetration, a figure which was even higher in the large metros where there might be as many as 7 stations on the air. Data from Radio Daily's "Radio Annual" editions through the 50's. |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:49622d96.1251109@chupacabra... Even though we had a somewhat novel device in the TV, I still listened to the radio for XERF Del Rio TX and the Randy's record shop adds. The FCC and the SCOP would have been amused to know that XERF was in Texas. |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4963308e.2011750@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: The ratings in the US, Arbitron since 1965, are accurate enough for advertisers to use the data for over $15 billion in radio buys. Because accuracy is an intangible concept that they'd rather not admit to lacking. We know with great precision the margin of error of any random proability survey. The accuracy of radio ratings is perfectly adequate for advertisers to make decisions and investments, and for stations to evaluate programming. If there's any doubt why the quality of radio has suffered it's because some gullible PDs bought into the myth of what some numbers salesman was peddling as popular. I remember when station personnel would go to the parking lot at a local supermarket, peek into car windows and see where the dial was, Of course that's no longer possible. Program Directors don't subscribe to ratings... station owners and managers do, as ratings are 95% a sales tool. In rated markets, stations do proprietary research to evaluate programming issues. |
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Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum. So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings? |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... Bob Dobbs wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum. So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings? I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) |
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Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4962f4b8.8756359@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or DXX reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer advertisers. That blatant lie just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 It took a lot longer than two or three years for television to penetrate.. most people couldn't begin to afford a set. I think the first TV we had was in 1962. Mind you, not all were as poor as we were, but almost nobody I knew when I was very young had a television. It was still several months' pay to buy one new, and most of the "older" sets were still in use by their original owners because they were a heavy investment. The first color sets were the equivalent to a years pay for many. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
Evening listening, by the end of the 1955, was down to about 1/4 of the daytime radio listening levels. While there are no national figures, looking at a variety of local market reports supports this conclusion. Add in the explosion of new stations in the decade after W.W. II, there was less reason to listen to non-local stations at any time, and little reason to listen to them at night. That's nuts. Everybody routinely listened to whatever came in on their radios at night, regardless of origin. Light dimmers, band-splitting, coarse digital tuners, and 4 kHz ceramic filters destroyed AM. Don't you think it odd that you and your ilk whined for more stations back in the '70s, and now that you have them, you whine 'cause nobody can make any money? |
Music-oriented FMs are utterly screwed - news/talk/sports onAM rules!
David Eduardo wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 12:46�pm, RHF wrote: "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio." FM listening is relatively stable over the last 25 years, while AM is off by 30%. Satellite had a net loss of subscribers last year, with a horrible Christmas season and low sales of new cars with pre-installs sealing that coffin. XM Sirius has no cash and nearly a half-billion in debt due in April. They will declare bankruptcy and reorganize lean and mean. They are not going anywhere but up. |
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RHF wrote:
know what "B&W" stands for today ? Monochrome? |
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:49622d96.1251109@chupacabra... Even though we had a somewhat novel device in the TV, I still listened to the radio for XERF Del Rio TX and the Randy's record shop adds. The FCC and the SCOP would have been amused to know that XERF was in Texas. Stans' Record Shop 728 Texas Street Shreveport Louisiana, Baby. Remember it like it was yesterday, http://www.recordsbymail.com/stan_lewis.php |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: Evening listening, by the end of the 1955, was down to about 1/4 of the daytime radio listening levels. While there are no national figures, looking at a variety of local market reports supports this conclusion. Add in the explosion of new stations in the decade after W.W. II, there was less reason to listen to non-local stations at any time, and little reason to listen to them at night. That's nuts. Everybody routinely listened to whatever came in on their radios at night, regardless of origin. No, they did not. When Top 40 began in 1952, it helped move most radio listening to local radio stations. TV simply killed night listening to radio over a period of only a few years. Light dimmers, band-splitting, coarse digital tuners, and 4 kHz ceramic filters destroyed AM. No, FM did, once the FCC mandated the end to simulcasting in most cities in 1967. Don't you think it odd that you and your ilk whined for more stations back in the '70s, and now that you have them, you whine 'cause nobody can make any money? Nobody whined for more stations in the 70's. In fact, the number of viable stations in each market virtually tripled in the 70's as all the full signal FMs became competitive. That was disruptive enough to AM and the industry. Docket 80-90 came at the very end of the 80's, and was a result of the FCC not people wanting more stations... it was the direct outcome of the Bonita Springs decision redefining major changes. |
Music-oriented FMs are utterly screwed - news/talk/sports on AM rules!
"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: "BoobleStubble" wrote in message ... On Jan 4, 12:46�pm, RHF wrote: "Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM radio." FM listening is relatively stable over the last 25 years, while AM is off by 30%. Satellite had a net loss of subscribers last year, with a horrible Christmas season and low sales of new cars with pre-installs sealing that coffin. XM Sirius has no cash and nearly a half-billion in debt due in April. They will declare bankruptcy and reorganize lean and mean. They are not going anywhere but up. They lost a collective $12 billion since launching, and are, even merged, not profitable. With the auto industry in crisis, they may not survive or will be sold to a media company... although few would want to take on the operating losses. |
In The USA "Free" Over-the-Air Radio Is A 'Local' Commodity
On Jan 4, 4:52*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... Bob Dobbs wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum. - - So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with - - listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings? - I don't see how it would. - People listen if they like it, not because someone - 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two - Mexicans on, they can't) In The USA "Free" Over-the-Air Radio Is A 'Local' Commodity ? Does someone 750 Miles away : Drive all the way to the LA Metro Area to buy a Car from the local Hollywood Chevy Dealer - NO ! For the AM and FM and now "HD" Radio Broadcaster in 2000s the Signal Follows the Revenue and that Revenue is 'Local'. Or part of a National Buy that is distributed on a 'Local' Basis via 'Local' Radio Stations. in the usa radio is a 'local' commodity - idtars ~ RHF |
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On Jan 4, 4:54*pm, flashdrive wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: "Bob Dobbs" wrote in message news:4962f4b8.8756359@chupacabra... David Eduardo wrote: After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or DXX reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer advertisers. That blatant lie just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 It took a lot longer than two or three years for television to penetrate.. most people couldn't begin to afford a set. I think the first TV we had was in 1962. Mind you, not all were as poor as we were, but almost nobody I knew when I was very young had a television. It was still several months' pay to buy one new, and most of the "older" sets were still in use by their original owners because they were a heavy investment. - The first color sets were the equivalent to a years pay for many. Maybe One Months Pay or 2~3 Months Pay at most -but- Not a Whole Years Pay in the early 1960s. IIRC - I paid cash for my parents 2nd Color TV for a Christmas present; and a HeathKit Color TV Kit to build for myself in the Mid-1960s the first year I was out of High School. ~ RHF |
When Radio Listening Was Transformer Into TV Watching
On Jan 4, 5:10*pm, Dave wrote:
- - RHF wrote: - - know what "B&W" stands for today ? - - Monochrome? Dave "U" Ain't under the age of 21 Years. |
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On Jan 4, 2:05*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
Count Floyd wrote: My Grandfather bought an RCA B&W set in 1951, huge cabinet, front closing/opening doors, I think it was around 20". *It lasted until he wanted a color set, so bought a GE 21" round tube model in 1959 just so he could watch "Bonanza" in living color, and of course football games! - Back then you could get a plastic overlay that was static attached to - the screen with blue up in the sky region, green down in the grass - region, and a reddish tint where the cowboys faces usually were. - - -- - - Operator Bob - Echo Charlie 42 -aka- Genuine "Colored" TV for only $29.95 ::-}} |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in
: I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change. Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario, which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and try to apply it across the board. |
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"elaich" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in : I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change. Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario, which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and try to apply it across the board. No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable. The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else. |
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On Jan 4, 6:05*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in ... "David Eduardo" wrote in : I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change. Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario, which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and try to apply it across the board. No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable.. - The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means - nothing more than that they have a few dozen - listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. - They certainly don't have enough to show up - in the ratings anywhere else. d'Eduardo, Those would be Persistent AM Radio Listeners : Who Persistently Call-In To Hear Themselves Talk. Seams Like There Are Real Numbers Out There : To Be Counted and Be Sold to the Right Advertisers. ~ RHF |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "elaich" wrote in message ... "David Eduardo" wrote in : I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change. Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario, which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and try to apply it across the board. No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable. The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else. How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? There's this newfangled device called a computer.... ,-) Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? There's this newfangled device called a computer.... ,-) Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream. It is my preference to listen using the radio. I already spend enough time listening/watching news web casts. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
... The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else. Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the world. |
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Bob Dobbs wrote:
Back then you could get a plastic overlay that was static attached to the screen with blue up in the sky region, green down in the grass region, and a reddish tint where the cowboys faces usually were. The Live Sea Monkeys (see them frolic) and X-Ray Vision Glasses were a lot cheaper. mike |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message m... Bob Dobbs wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum. So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings? I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) One would think that would be less of an issue as one went further away from Mexico. People like adopting winners. |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? There's this newfangled device called a computer.... ,-) Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream. It is my preference to listen using the radio. I already spend enough time listening/watching news web casts. Think of all the digital artifacts you are missing. |
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"Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... Bob Dobbs wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum. So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings? I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) One would think that would be less of an issue as one went further away from Mexico. KFI is in LA, and the two major interferers in the mountain west are in northern and southern Chihuahua state; as you move away from LA, most locations in the US will be at about the same distance from Chihuahua but farther and farther from LA. And by the time you get to the midwest (beyond the KFI protected night signal reach anyway) there is the Tulancingo station, 50 kw, to contend with, as well as Cuba, Venezuela and Colombia. People like adopting winners. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
No, they did not. When Top 40 began in 1952, it helped move most radio listening to local radio stations. TV simply killed night listening to radio over a period of only a few years. You are talking about a certain brain-dead subset of the population that is composed of people who are disgustingly easy to manipulate. They watch whatever crap you feed them and buy whatever they are told to buy. These are your choice demographic: the dumb asses. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article , "David Eduardo" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message . .. How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? There's this newfangled device called a computer.... ,-) Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream. It is my preference to listen using the radio. I already spend enough time listening/watching news web casts. Think of all the digital artifacts you are missing. Heck, the web casts are bad enough with video and audio artifacts aplenty. I sure don't want my radio sounding like that. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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elaich wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in : I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change. Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario, which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and try to apply it across the board. KGO and KOA both run live and local all night. None of this George Noory weirdness. |
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David Eduardo wrote:
No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable. You should be able to rotate the radio a little and null out some of the Mexicans. The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else. Again, the ratings show how many plankton are listening. |
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Telamon wrote:
The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else. How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? Dr. Bill's a trip. ****er's so old and clever he probably invented dirt. |
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"David Eduardo" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... David Eduardo wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... Bob Dobbs wrote: David Eduardo wrote: "Monty Hall" wrote in message ... These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it. The only coverage that counts is in their home markets. DX listeners don't count in the business model. They never have since the early 50's. Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum. So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings? I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't) One would think that would be less of an issue as one went further away from Mexico. KFI is in LA, and the two major interferers in the mountain west are in northern and southern Chihuahua state; as you move away from LA, most locations in the US will be at about the same distance from Chihuahua but farther and farther from LA. And by the time you get to the midwest (beyond the KFI protected night signal reach anyway) there is the Tulancingo station, 50 kw, to contend with, as well as Cuba, Venezuela and Colombia. People like adopting winners. Depending on the evening I hear a spanish speaking station under KFI and I am only 78 miles north of KFI. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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David Eduardo wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO? There's this newfangled device called a computer.... ,-) Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream. Going from a shirt-pocket radio to a PC connected to two grids is easier how? |
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Bob Campbell wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message ... The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else. Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the world. Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings. |
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"Dave" wrote in message
m... Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the world. Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings. Exactly. Callers from outside of their primary listening area are meaningless. Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers are concerned. Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that I am listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to drive my car 3000 miles to get a new muffler. |
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"Bob Campbell" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message m... Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the world. Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings. Exactly. Callers from outside of their primary listening area are meaningless. Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers are concerned. Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that I am listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to drive my car 3000 miles to get a new muffler. The problem with this argument is a lot of advertising is for buying products that can be purchased anywhere not just downtown SF so the bigger the audience the more product can be sold over the Internet, using a 800 phone number, or a local store that carries the product. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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