Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
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These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and
limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to
INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.


So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't
help its local ratings?

"Dave" wrote in message
m...
Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
...
These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict
and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working
to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.

So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help
its local ratings?

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone
200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't)

On Jan 4, 4:52*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

m...



Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
...
These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict
and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working
to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.

- - So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with
- - listeners afar doesn't help its local ratings?

- I don't see how it would.
- People listen if they like it, not because someone
- 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two
- Mexicans on, they can't)

In The USA "Free" Over-the-Air Radio Is A 'Local' Commodity

? Does someone 750 Miles away : Drive all the way
to the LA Metro Area to buy a Car from the local
Hollywood Chevy Dealer - NO !

For the AM and FM and now "HD" Radio Broadcaster
in 2000s the Signal Follows the Revenue and that
Revenue is 'Local'. Or part of a National Buy that is
distributed on a 'Local' Basis via 'Local' Radio Stations.

in the usa radio is a 'local' commodity - idtars ~ RHF

"David Eduardo" wrote in
:

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)


Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"David Eduardo" wrote in
:

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)


Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign
offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm
Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while
the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable.

The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have
a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They
certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

On Jan 4, 6:05*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"elaich" wrote in ...
"David Eduardo" wrote in
:

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)

Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign
offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm
Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while
the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable..

- The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means
- nothing more than that they have a few dozen
- listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas.
- They certainly don't have enough to show up
- in the ratings anywhere else.

d'Eduardo,

Those would be Persistent AM Radio Listeners :
Who Persistently Call-In To Hear Themselves Talk.

Seams Like There Are Real Numbers Out There :
To Be Counted and Be Sold to the Right Advertisers.

~ RHF

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"David Eduardo" wrote in
:

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because
someone 200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on,
they can't)


Well, I'm 600 miles away and I don't have any trouble hearing it. I'd
actually like to hear the Mexicans for a change.

Why don't you try listening to KNBR and KGO some evenings, and listen to
them get callers from all over the Western US? You take a local scenario,
which is the situation of KFI probably within a 100 mile radius of LA, and
try to apply it across the board.

No, I checked KFI in early evening (post sunset and prior to the CST sign
offs of the Cd. Juárez and Parral stations) in locations from the Palm
Springs area to Phoenix to Prescott, AZ, in the last two weeks, and while
the Mexican stations are on, listening to KFI is unpleasant to unbearable.

The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they have
a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They
certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?


There's this newfangled device called a computer....

,-)

Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream.

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?


There's this newfangled device called a computer....

,-)

Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream.

It is my preference to listen using the radio. I already spend enough
time listening/watching news web casts.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


How else am I going to listen to Dr. Bill Wattenburg but tune in KGO?


There's this newfangled device called a computer....

,-)

Seriously, KGO even has podcasts of most shows, as well as the stream.

Going from a shirt-pocket radio to a PC connected to two grids is easier
how?