"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 1:56�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"BoobleStubble" wrote in message

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On Jan 4, 12:46 pm, RHF wrote:

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

FM listening is relatively stable over the last 25 years, while AM is off
by
30%.

Satellite had a net loss of subscribers last year, with a horrible
Christmas
season and low sales of new cars with pre-installs sealing that coffin. XM
Sirius has no cash and nearly a half-billion in debt due in April.

Right! TSL is way down for all of radio. So goes HD Radio:

TSL for FM is down slightly... for AM it is off about 30% over the last 20
years.
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"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

"RHF" wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 9:47 am, Bob Dobbs wrote:


- Your only experience with what counts depends on
- someone with extra time filling out a diary truthfully
- and having their circumstance being actually
- representative of a desirable demographic rather than
- the fantasy many of those people present as you do
- in this forum.
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- Operator Bob
- Echo Charlie 42

Do people over the age of 50 even get Diaries ?

Every age group, every ethnicity, each gender, and each geographic subset
in
a market (usually counties) is sampled in a form proportional to their
presence in the market.

To be counted ? ? ?

Always have been. 55-64 and 65+ are two of the Arbitron demos.

Or is that another sin of omission ? ? ?

Nope. Only in your mind.

Only in your mind.

Hmmmm, kinda like those radio stations you claimed to have "owned"!

And, like the amateur radio license you claimed to have "had"

Both of which are true, making all of your statements false. Why don't you
go count your rounds of ammo?

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was
lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or
DXX
reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer
advertisers.

That blatant lie
just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

It took a lot longer than two or three years for television to penetrate..
most people couldn't begin to afford a set. I think the first TV we had
was in 1962. Mind you, not all were as poor as we were, but almost nobody
I knew when I was very young had a television. It was still several
months' pay to buy one new, and most of the "older" sets were still in use
by their original owners because they were a heavy investment.

TV started right after W.W. II, and they fury to get licenses was so great
the FCC stopped granting them for nearly 3 years during the "Freeze" so they
could revise the allocation system. Still, there were nearly 200 stations on
the air and when the freeze lifted, several hundred more were granted, and
got on very quickly. By 1955, the time I indicated, TV had over 60%
penetration, a figure which was even higher in the large metros where there
might be as many as 7 stations on the air.

Data from Radio Daily's "Radio Annual" editions through the 50's.

"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
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Even though we had a somewhat novel device in the TV, I still listened
to the radio for XERF Del Rio TX and the Randy's record shop adds.

The FCC and the SCOP would have been amused to know that XERF was in Texas.

"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

The ratings in the US, Arbitron since 1965, are accurate enough for
advertisers to use the data for over $15 billion in radio buys.

Because accuracy is an intangible concept
that they'd rather not admit to lacking.

We know with great precision the margin of error of any random proability
survey. The accuracy of radio ratings is perfectly adequate for advertisers
to make decisions and investments, and for stations to evaluate programming.

If there's any doubt why the quality of radio has suffered it's because
some gullible PDs bought into the myth of what some numbers salesman was
peddling as popular. I remember when station personnel would go to the
parking lot at a local supermarket, peek into car windows and see where
the dial was, Of course that's no longer possible.

Program Directors don't subscribe to ratings... station owners and managers
do, as ratings are 95% a sales tool. In rated markets, stations do
proprietary research to evaluate programming issues.

Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
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These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict and
limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working to
INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.


So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't
help its local ratings?

"Dave" wrote in message
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Bob Dobbs wrote:
David Eduardo wrote:
"Monty Hall" wrote in message
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These broadcasters are insane to do things like HD/IBOC to restrict
and limit their already-dwindling audiences. They should be working
to INCREASE their coverage area and listenership; not reduce it.
The only coverage that counts is in their home markets.

DX listeners don't count in the business model.
They never have since the early 50's.

Your only experience with what counts depends on someone with extra time
filling out a diary truthfully and having their circumstance being
actually representative of a desirable demographic rather than the
fantasy many of those people present as you do in this forum.

So KFI's reputation as a powerful station with listeners afar doesn't help
its local ratings?

I don't see how it would. People listen if they like it, not because someone
200 miles away can hear it (which with the two Mexicans on, they can't)

Brenda Ann wrote:

"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:

After TV "arrived," meaning the two to three years after the freeze was
lifted, radio at night was barely listened to. So skywave reception (or
DXX
reception) became of little use as there were few listeners and fewer
advertisers.

That blatant lie
just goes to illustrate what an uninformed jerk you are

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42


It took a lot longer than two or three years for television to penetrate..
most people couldn't begin to afford a set. I think the first TV we had was
in 1962. Mind you, not all were as poor as we were, but almost nobody I knew
when I was very young had a television. It was still several months' pay to
buy one new, and most of the "older" sets were still in use by their
original owners because they were a heavy investment.

The first color sets were the equivalent to a years pay for many.

David Eduardo wrote:


Evening listening, by the end of the 1955, was down to about 1/4 of the
daytime radio listening levels. While there are no national figures,
looking at a variety of local market reports supports this conclusion.

Add in the explosion of new stations in the decade after W.W. II, there
was less reason to listen to non-local stations at any time, and little
reason to listen to them at night.

That's nuts. Everybody routinely listened to whatever came in on their
radios at night, regardless of origin.

Light dimmers, band-splitting, coarse digital tuners, and 4 kHz
ceramic filters destroyed AM.

Don't you think it odd that you and your ilk whined for more stations
back in the '70s, and now that you have them, you whine 'cause nobody
can make any money?

David Eduardo wrote:

"BoobleStubble" wrote in message
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On Jan 4, 12:46�pm, RHF wrote:

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

FM listening is relatively stable over the last 25 years, while AM is
off by 30%.

Satellite had a net loss of subscribers last year, with a horrible
Christmas season and low sales of new cars with pre-installs sealing
that coffin. XM Sirius has no cash and nearly a half-billion in debt due
in April.


They will declare bankruptcy and reorganize lean and mean. They are not
going anywhere but up.