"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they
have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas. They
certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.

Bob Campbell wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
...
The fact that KGO and KNBR get calls means nothing more than that they
have a few dozen listeners outside their groundwave coverage areas.
They certainly don't have enough to show up in the ratings anywhere else.

Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.

"Dave" wrote in message
m...
Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.


Exactly. Callers from outside of their primary listening area are
meaningless. Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers are
concerned. Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that I am
listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to drive my
car 3000 miles to get a new muffler.

In article ,
"Bob Campbell" wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
m...
Both also stream their broadcasts on the net, as do most stations these
days. KGO is even in iTunes. Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


Yes, but they don't show up in the Arbitrary ratings.


Exactly. Callers from outside of their primary listening area are
meaningless. Its all about local listeners as far as local advertisers are
concerned. Mike's muffler shop in San Francisco doesn't care that I am
listening via the web on the east coast, since I am not going to drive my
car 3000 miles to get a new muffler.

The problem with this argument is a lot of advertising is for buying
products that can be purchased anywhere not just downtown SF so the
bigger the audience the more product can be sold over the Internet,
using a 800 phone number, or a local store that carries the product.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Bob Campbell" wrote in news:TZqdnY878-
:

Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


But they don't. They are usually up and down the West Coast, some in
Nevada, and all listening over the air, because they say they are.

This conversation is fruitless. Eduardo is as firmly set in his opinion as
we are, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the writing is on the
wall for IBOC, and he knows it if he won't admit it. They are being turned
off all over the country, as the stations are realizing they were sold a
pig in a poke, and nobody is listening. It would only attract the techie
group anyway, and they will rush to streaming radio in their cars as soon
as it's available. The avarage person who turns on their car radio for
traffic, or their kitchen radio for news and sports knows they don't need
HD to hear it. That was the flaw in the system from the very beginning. The
crowd they might have attracted don't listen to radio at all.

On Jan 4, 11:08�pm, elaich wrote:
"Bob Campbell" wrote in news:TZqdnY878-
:

Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.

But they don't. They are usually up and down the West Coast, some in
Nevada, and all listening over the air, because they say they are.

This conversation is fruitless. Eduardo is as firmly set in his opinion as
we are, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the writing is on the
wall for IBOC, and he knows it if he won't admit it. They are being turned
off all over the country, as the stations are realizing they were sold a
pig in a poke, and nobody is listening. It would only attract the techie
group anyway, and they will rush to streaming radio in their cars as soon
as it's available. The avarage person who turns on their car radio for
traffic, or their kitchen radio for news and sports knows they don't need
HD to hear it. That was the flaw in the system from the very beginning. The
crowd they might have attracted don't listen to radio at all.

Go to http://www.alexa.com/ and run the graphs for max time period and
for pageviews for hdradio.com and msndirect.com - the graphs are flat.
Clear Channel made a deal with MSNDirect for traffic services, but no
one is interested.

"elaich" wrote in message ...
"Bob Campbell" wrote in news:TZqdnY878-
:

Callers can come from anywhere in the
world.


But they don't. They are usually up and down the West Coast, some in
Nevada, and all listening over the air, because they say they are.

This conversation is fruitless. Eduardo is as firmly set in his opinion as
we are, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the writing is on
the
wall for IBOC, and he knows it if he won't admit it.

The writing is on the wall for AM radio, and *you* know even if you won't
admit it. AM radio is dying, everything is moving to FM. With AM dying,
there is no need for HD.

With all of the AM talk moving to FM, again there is no need for HD, as
standard FM is more than adequate for talk.

This whole HD radio effort is about 10 years too late. Not enough people
listen to the radio, for enough hours each day/week/month/whatever, to make
HD worthwhile. The young people who are into music/buying music listen to
MP3 players, not FM radio.

Simply put, not enough people care about radio any longer. It is perceived
as (and IS) ancient technology. In today's digital world, radio is simply
irrelevant to the upcoming generations, regardless of what old farts like me
think about it.

Kids today have shirt pocket MP3 players, not shirt pocket radios.

Bob Campbell wrote:


Kids today have shirt pocket MP3 players, not shirt pocket radios.



"Kids" are the brain-dead simpletons 'dwardo's "ratings" are designed to
quantify. Making the world "kids-centric" is not a good idea.