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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&-Emergency Alert System (EAS)
On Jan 11, 8:17*pm, wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. okay. It's proof time for me. I have an unmodified ham radio bought directly from a major ham store brand new by me, which straight from the factory, can indeed transmit on some police channels. You seem to claim it's illegal to even have such a radio since I'm not licensed to transmit on police frequncies. However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). However, there are hams who also work or volunteer in the emergency response field who have "type accepted" equipment that is loaded with both their local municipalities frequencies and ham radio frequencies, and do legally use both sets of frequencies as necessary. *As long as the equipment is type accepted and the user is authorized to use the municipalities frequencies, there is no problem nor is it illegal. DL. |
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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&-Emergency Alert System (EAS)
On Jan 11, 9:10*pm, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:35 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. However, there are hams who also work or volunteer in the emergency response field who have "type accepted" equipment that is loaded with both their local municipalities frequencies and ham radio frequencies, and do legally use both sets of frequencies as necessary. *As long as the equipment is type accepted and the user is authorized to use the municipalities frequencies, there is no problem nor is it illegal. DL. Read the original post. *The reference was to radios that are "wide open", meaning hammy gear that has been modified. *The situation you describe is NOT the same, but I agree, it is legal. *Hammy gear is not type-accepted for use outside of the hammy bands.- Hide quoted text - My ham radio is type accepted by the FCC and can transmit on police frequencies without any modifications at all. However, I do not do that. I value my license. However the problem is that I now hear from some people, or more accurately read from them, that mere possession of such is illegal. I did not know that when I bought it brand new from a major ham store straight as it came from the factory. And the FCC rules did not say that possession of such is illegal. As a matter of fact, according to the fcc rules, it's just the opposite. Although I did read some state laws say possession of such is illegal. What happened to "federal law always trumps local and state law" that 99.99 percent of the hams on here claimed??? The FCC rules even say I can transmit on those particular frequencies, just not from my home, only while I'm mobile. So under FCC rules, I'm allowed to transmit on them while mobile from certain locations, but not allowed to transmit on them while stationary at home. While I'm sure the police in states claiming possession of such is illegal will say just exactly the opposite of the above. - Show quoted text - |
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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&-Emergency Alert System (EAS)
On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? |
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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&- EmergencyAlert System (EAS)
radioguy wrote:
However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). This is getting interesting. Tell me more. |
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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&-Emergency Alert System (EAS)
On Jan 15, 12:31*am, radioguy wrote:
On Jan 11, 7:58*pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles *over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? RadioGuy, More Ham Radio This and Ham Radio That - - - yada, Yada. YADA ! The-Bottom-Line : It is Clearly Illegal for 'you' to knowingly Interfere with Official Public Service Radio Operations on Any Frequency [.] - - - Being an Amateur Radio Operator has it limits. Plus - It is Clearly Illegal for you to knowingly Interfere with {get-in-the-way-of} Official Public Service Operations at Any Location [.] - - - Being an Involved Citizen has it limits. now go and enjoy your radios ~ RHF -ps- please stay-out of the way of public service employees doing their jobs. |
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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&-Emergency Alert System (EAS)
On Jan 15, 3:07 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 15, 12:31 am, radioguy wrote: On Jan 11, 7:58 pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? RadioGuy, More Ham Radio This and Ham Radio That - - - yada, Yada. YADA ! The-Bottom-Line : It is Clearly Illegal for 'you' to knowingly Interfere with Official Public Service Radio Operations on Any Frequency [.] - - - Being an Amateur Radio Operator has it limits. Plus - It is Clearly Illegal for you to knowingly Interfere with {get-in-the-way-of} Official Public Service Operations at Any Location [.] - - - Being an Involved Citizen has it limits. now go and enjoy your radios ~ RHF -ps- please stay-out of the way of public service employees doing their jobs. .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I did not say it's legal to interfere with the police. It's not. I even said the FCC rules say that we're not allowed to interfere with the police. However, I do not consider transmitting on a frs channel that no one else is talking on at the time as "interfering with the police" even if the police say so because they think the shared frs channels are their own private police channels. What if I had never heard them on there in the first place, which could have happened since I very rarely have my frs radios on. I turn to frs channel 8, hear no one talking, so transmit to the other person I'm talking to, and get arrested for "illegally transmitting on a police channel". I try to get out of it by truthfully saying I didn't know it's a police channel. They and the court then come back with "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". But wait, the federal FCC rules says the channels are for everyone as long as no interference is caused. However, even though the police were not talking at the time, but were listening, they consider it as interference being caused to their own private family radio servvice police channel. While I consider it as interference not happening since no conversations were on the channel at the time I was listening and transmitting. Once again, what happened to federal law trumps all local and state laws? I'm no rich enough to fight it in court. So you're basically saying that no one in the general public is allowed to use the frs-only channels even though the fedeal FCC says the can, since a number of public safety agencies inclding the police and ems have decided to use the frs-only channels as their own private publicv safety channels. EMS channel 8. Police channel 14. Etcetera. This forces the general public to illegally use channels 1-7 and 15 throguh 22, since they can't use channels 7 through 14 without getting arrested by the police for illegally using police channels. I wonder what John Wilkerson would say about that. Of course, the public would also be fined and arrested by the FCC and federal marshalls for illegally using channela 1 through 7 and 15 through 22. |
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FCC Consumer Facts : Communicating During Emergencies -&-Emergency Alert System (EAS)
On Jan 15, 8:12*am, Dave wrote:
radioguy wrote: However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're *quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). This is getting interesting. Tell me more. In the U.S., the 420 to 430 mhz band is assigned to the police, public safety, and I think even some businesses north of line A. FCC rules say a ham is NOT allowed to transmit on those frequencies while physically located north of line A. FCC rules say that the same ham IS allowed to transmit with full power on those frequencies while physically located south of line A as long as the ham south of line A does not cause any interference to the licensed services located north of line A. Questions: If I'm just a little south of line A and transmitting ham ragchews at a certain power level where the police in the next county north of line A can not hear me on their radios, am I transmitting legally or illegally? I say legally. BUT Say I make no change in my transmitter whatsoever and the police in the next county happen to buy newer more sensitive radios and can now just happen to hear me transmitting over them. With me unaware they can now hear me. Am I transmitting legally or illegally. I made no changes whatsoever in my transmitter. How can what was perfectly legal for me to do now be illegal for me to do just because the police not in my area bought different newer radios that happen to pick up radio transmissions better than their old ones??? Furthermore, if a police officer sees a crime or speeder in his own county, he is allowed to follow them into the next county and arrest them there. What if he crosses into the county south of line A and transmits from there, but hears me. As far as I know, he isn't legally allowed to transmit from south of line A. However, despite a lot of hams I see posting on the internet claiming that hams have primary status in the 420 to 430 mhz band, I know that hams actually only have secondary status in that band, anywhere in the country. However, I don't think local police have anyathority in that band south of line A, although I might be wrong about that. After all, the FCC does say that even hams south of line A may not interfere with police north of line A. But what if that police officer travels south of line A where I'm sure he's not allowed to transmit from? I think it's only the federal government (and maybe some others) who have primary status in that band, anywhere in the country. I'll have to check up on that. |
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(OT) : PONG RadioGuy "Troll Story"s
On Jan 15, 3:11*pm, radioguy wrote:
On Jan 15, 3:07 pm, RHF wrote: On Jan 15, 12:31 am, radioguy wrote: On Jan 11, 7:58 pm, Mike wrote: On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:30:47 -0500, wrote: Some of us hams use radios that are WIDE OPEN! Try talking to FEMA with FRS. Which is illegal as your hammy radios are not FCC type accepted for operation outside of the hammy bands. The EMS service in my area uses one of the frs-only channels Both for dspatch and communications. And the.police use one of the frs-only For communicationm\ns involving following vehicles and reading the license plate numbers of the vehicles *over the air. Is it illegal for me to possess my frs.gmrs radios since they are capable of transmtting on frequencie used by the police and ems?? Is it illegal for me to transmit on those frs-only channels since they're police and ems channels????? The federal FCC rules say they are shared channels that anyone may use. However, there have already been people in other cities and other states arrested for illegally transmitting over police channels when those police channels were on the frs channels. It seems like federal law did not trump local and state law in those cases despite what 99.99 percent of the hams on here have said. And even when people can get out of it, it still costs them in court costs and lawyers fees. The kind of money that I do not have and would not be able to get out of in such a case. So yes you can be fined, found guilty and put in jail for legally transmitting on your frs/gmrs radio even when you don't hear anyone else transmitting on that channel since you are illegally transmitting on a police channel or ems channel by doing so (as far as local police, local government and some states are concerned). Even if it is one of the frs-only channels (eight through fourteen on the radios I've seen). I'm not sure if what I heard is my local town or one of the other towns very close to me. However, the police and ems are definitely using the frs-only channels as a police channel and an ems channel. (two different channels, one each that I have heard so far). According to the FCC rules I've read, that is legal for them to use as such since frs may be used by anyone including businesses or by anyone period. Bt once again, (concerning the arrests of people for transmitting on frs-only channels) what happened to federal law always trumps local and state law??? RadioGuy, More Ham Radio This and Ham Radio That - - - yada, Yada. YADA ! The-Bottom-Line : It is Clearly Illegal for 'you' to knowingly Interfere with Official Public Service Radio Operations on Any Frequency [.] - - - Being an Amateur Radio Operator has it limits. Plus - It is Clearly Illegal for you to knowingly Interfere with {get-in-the-way-of} Official Public Service Operations at Any Location [.] - - - Being an Involved Citizen has it limits. now go and enjoy your radios ~ RHF -ps- please stay-out of the way of public service employees doing their jobs. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I did not say it's legal to interfere with the police. It's not. I even said the FCC rules say that we're not allowed to interfere with the police. However, I do not consider transmitting on a frs channel that no one else is talking on at the time as "interfering with the police" even if the police say so because they think the shared frs channels are their own private police channels. What if I had never heard them on there in the first place, which could have happened since I very rarely have my frs radios on. I turn to frs channel 8, hear no one talking, so transmit to the other person I'm talking to, and get arrested for "illegally transmitting on a police channel". I try to get out of it by truthfully saying I didn't know it's a police channel. They and the court then come back with "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". But wait, the federal FCC rules says the channels are for everyone as long as no interference is caused. However, even though the police were not talking at the time, but were listening, they consider it as interference being caused to their own private family radio servvice police channel. While I consider it as interference not happening since no conversations were on the channel at the time I was listening and transmitting. Once again, what happened to federal law trumps all local and state laws? I'm no rich enough to fight it in court. So you're basically saying that no one in the general public is allowed to use the frs-only channels even though the fedeal FCC says the can, since a number of public safety agencies inclding the police and ems have decided to use the frs-only channels as their own private publicv safety channels. EMS channel 8. Police channel 14. Etcetera. This forces the general public to illegally use channels 1-7 and 15 throguh 22, since they can't use channels 7 through 14 without getting arrested by *the police for illegally using police channels. I wonder what John Wilkerson would say about that. Of course, the public would also be fined and arrested by the FCC *and federal marshalls for illegally using channela 1 through 7 and 15 through 22. Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF |
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(OT) : PONG RadioGuy "Troll Story"s
On Jan 15, 3:45*pm, radioguy wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:12*am, Dave wrote: radioguy wrote: However, the FCC rules clearly say that I can transmit regular ham radio on those exact same police frequencies even where the police can hear me doing so as long as I'm 1. transmitting from certain locations and 2. not interfering with them (such as not transmitting over the polic while they're talking, bt if they're *quiet, it's okay for me to transmit on the same channel). This is getting interesting. Tell me more. In the U.S., the 420 to 430 mhz band is assigned to the police, public safety, and I think even some businesses north of line A. FCC rules say a ham is NOT allowed to transmit on those frequencies while physically located north of line A. FCC rules say that the same ham IS allowed to transmit with full power on those frequencies while physically located south of line A as long as the ham south of line A does not cause any interference to the licensed services located north of line A. Questions: If I'm just a little south of line A and transmitting *ham ragchews at a certain power level where the police in the next county north of line A can not hear me on their radios, am I transmitting legally or illegally? I say legally. BUT Say I make no change in my transmitter whatsoever and the police in the next county happen to buy newer more sensitive radios and can now just happen to hear me transmitting over them. With me unaware they can now hear me. Am I transmitting legally or illegally. I made no changes whatsoever in my transmitter. How can what was perfectly legal for me to do now be illegal for me to do just because the police not in my area bought different newer radios that happen to pick up radio transmissions better than their old ones??? Furthermore, if a police officer sees a crime or speeder in his own county, he is allowed to follow them into the next county and arrest them there. What if he crosses into the county south of line A and transmits from there, but hears me. As far as I know, he isn't legally allowed to transmit from south of line A. However, despite a lot of hams I see posting on the internet claiming that hams have primary status in the 420 to 430 mhz band, I know that hams actually only have secondary status in that band, anywhere in the country. However, I don't think local police have anyathority in that band south of line A, although I might be wrong about that. After all, the FCC does say that even hams south of line A may not interfere with police north of line A. But what if that police officer travels south of line A where I'm sure he's not allowed to transmit from? I think it's only the federal government (and maybe some others) who have primary status in that band, anywhere in the country. I'll have to check up on that. Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF |
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(OT) : PONG RadioGuy "Troll Story"s
On Jan 15, 9:41*pm, RHF wrote:
Another one of RadioGuy's absurd "Troll Story"s -aka- 'war and peace' on the internet ~ RHF RHF, do you mean Troll Stories? For goodness sake, man, try to use English! At least I could understand what Radioguy was writing. Your misuse of words, your use of incorrect punctuation, and your spelling makes your efforts at being a netnanny seem like irony. Get a clue, Roy. I refuse to believe that you are as stupid as your posts make you look. A college student writing like you do on this newsgroup would flunk out of English 101. Mike |
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