"Wingdingaling6" wrote in message
...
On Jan 19, 10:38 am, wrote:
Clear Channel cut's 1500 people mostly from sales. The sales people
left will be given accounts of those AE's who didn't make it.

While this is an interesting prediction, and well deserved
they get their asses canned, for the most part AM Radio
died the day they switched on IBOC. The day that IBOC
was activated is the day that AM Radio died. Nothing but
f-n white noise from one end of the band to the other and
no more late night DX'ing.

DXing makes no money for AM stations.

AM is dying because its listeners are mostly over 55, and getting older each
year... advertisers seldom target 55 and over, so those stations are, almost
without exception, dropping in revenue and ratings.

Just about 100% of AM station revenue is made in the local metropolitan
area, and most of that is made in daytime hours, not after 7 PM. So whether
you can pick up WSB in Arkansas is of no matter to the broadcaster, who can
not monetize that audience... which is both tiny and nearly unmeasurable.

On Jan 19, 8:39�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Wingdingaling6" wrote in message

...
On Jan 19, 10:38 am, wrote:

Clear Channel cut's 1500 people mostly from sales. The sales people
left will be given accounts of those AE's who didn't make it.

While this is an interesting prediction, and well deserved
they get their asses canned, for the most part AM Radio
died the day they switched on IBOC. The day that IBOC
was activated is the day that AM Radio died. Nothing but
f-n white noise from one end of the band to the other and
no more late night DX'ing.

DXing makes no money for AM stations.

AM is dying because its listeners are mostly over 55, and getting older each
year... advertisers seldom target 55 and over, so those stations are, almost
without exception, dropping in revenue and ratings.

Just about 100% of AM station revenue is made in the local metropolitan
area, and most of that is made in daytime hours, not after 7 PM. So whether
you can pick up WSB in Arkansas is of no matter to the broadcaster, who can
not monetize that audience... which is both tiny and nearly unmeasurable.

"News/Talk/Sports: Radio's Last Bastion"

"Music FMs of any flavor are utterly screwed... Right now -- while FMs
are losing the music audience to new media -- satellite radio is
offering more News/Talk/Sports programming than we can fit on AM
radio."

http://ftp.media.radcity.net/ZMST/daily/IS031005.htm

It's the music-oriented FMs that are screwed.

D'Oh ! 'little myopia minded' "PocketRadio",

RHF wrote:


FM HD-Radio allows for More Channels and Greater
Product {Content} Diversity for the Existing Stations
and 'potentially' Increased Revenue and Income at a
Cost much less than building new separate Radio
Stations to accomplish the same amount of growth.
-if- More Channels and More Content and More
Choices are All Good for Sat-Radio and Net-Radio
=THEN= More Channels and More Content and More
Choices are ALL GOOD for FM HD-Radio Too ! ! !


You ****ing moron. An IBOC channel wipes out 3 regular FM channels, so
the net increase in streams is a big fat zero.

On Jan 20, 5:44*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:

FM HD-Radio allows for More Channels and Greater
Product {Content} Diversity for the Existing Stations
and 'potentially' Increased Revenue and Income at a
Cost much less than building new separate Radio
Stations to accomplish the same amount of growth.
-if- More Channels and More Content and More
Choices are All Good for Sat-Radio and Net-Radio
=THEN= More Channels and More Content and More
Choices are ALL GOOD for FM HD-Radio Too ! ! !

- You ****ing moron.
-*An IBOC channel wipes out 3 regular FM channels,
- so the net increase in streams is a big fat zero.

Dave,

Generally for Local FM Radio Listeners using
FM HD-Radio that is Not-a-Problem within the
scheme of the existing FM Radio Band Plan.

FM HD-Radio works best when you use an
FM HD-Radio to listen to it. - idtars ~ RHF

On Jan 19, 8:39*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Wingdingaling6" wrote in message

...
On Jan 19, 10:38 am, wrote:

Clear Channel cut's 1500 people mostly from sales. The sales people
left will be given accounts of those AE's who didn't make it.

While this is an interesting prediction, and well deserved
they get their asses canned, for the most part AM Radio
died the day they switched on IBOC. The day that IBOC
was activated is the day that AM Radio died. Nothing but
f-n white noise from one end of the band to the other and
no more late night DX'ing.

DXing makes no money for AM stations.

AM is dying because its listeners are mostly over 55, and getting older each
year... advertisers seldom target 55 and over, so those stations are, almost
without exception, dropping in revenue and ratings.

Just about 100% of AM station revenue is made in the local metropolitan
area, and most of that is made in daytime hours, not after 7 PM. So whether
you can pick up WSB in Arkansas is of no matter to the broadcaster, who can
not monetize that audience... which is both tiny and nearly unmeasurable.

If advertisers won't buy 50+ then what's the point of HD?
Kool-Aid boy you're correct, the reason Am is dying is every station
has become nothing but
conservative talk repeaters....That targets mostly 50! And so we agree
better sound isn't going to save AM radio.

Unless, you don't really think playing more music in HD is going to
save AM radio do you?

On Jan 20, 10:09*am, "Commander Col. Klink"
wrote:
On Jan 19, 8:39*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Wingdingaling6" wrote in message

...
On Jan 19, 10:38 am, wrote:

Clear Channel cut's 1500 people mostly from sales. The sales people
left will be given accounts of those AE's who didn't make it.

While this is an interesting prediction, and well deserved
they get their asses canned, for the most part AM Radio
died the day they switched on IBOC. The day that IBOC
was activated is the day that AM Radio died. Nothing but
f-n white noise from one end of the band to the other and
no more late night DX'ing.

DXing makes no money for AM stations.

AM is dying because its listeners are mostly over 55, and getting older each
year... advertisers seldom target 55 and over, so those stations are, almost
without exception, dropping in revenue and ratings.

Just about 100% of AM station revenue is made in the local metropolitan
area, and most of that is made in daytime hours, not after 7 PM. So whether
you can pick up WSB in Arkansas is of no matter to the broadcaster, who can
not monetize that audience... which is both tiny and nearly unmeasurable.

If advertisers won't buy 50+ then what's the point of HD?
Kool-Aid boy you're correct, the reason Am is dying is every station
has become nothing but
conservative talk repeaters....That targets mostly 50! And so we agree
better sound isn't going to save AM radio.

Unless, you don't really think playing more music in HD is going to
save AM radio do you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"If advertisers won't buy 50+ then what's the point of HD?"

Everyone knows that AM Stereo was a failure, so the only point of IBOC
is to jam AM/FM competitors off the dial; due to the nature of RF
interference, this is why the big 50kw stations are so interested in
IBOC:

"Community Radio’s Digital Dilemma"

"As deployment grows, not only may interference between stations
increase, but the negative impact will be borne largely by those
stations that operate with the least power. Given the nature of
broadcast RF interference, the negative effects induced by
interference from higher power radio stations are exponentially
greater than smaller-power stations... Regardless of a country’s
licensing regime with regard to access to the airwaves, the wholly
proprietary nature of iBiquity’s HD Radio system trumps public
authority... a conflict with iBiquity could mean the station’s
effective silencing. This is especially important for noncommercial
and community radio stations... The average estimated cost per station
for the hardware necessary to put an HD Radio signal on the air is
about $100,000. This does not include a one-time licensing fee to use
the HD Radio software, which ranges from $10,000 to $25,000 per
station, and only covers the basic use of the HD Radio mode... There
is no commitment, either from iBiquity or the FCC, that HD Radio
represents the true digital future of U.S. radio broadcasting. The
FCC, at the behest of major broadcasters within the U.S. radio
industry (including more than 40 state broadcasters’ associatioins),
has declined to set a firm analog/digital transition date. Part of
this is due to a lack of an all-digital HD Radio standard, but it is
much more due to growing industry oppostion to the imposition of a
technologically-deficient, proprietary technology and an overwhelming
lack of listener interest."

http://diymedia.net/stuff/budapest0508.pdf

"Commander Col. Klink" wrote in message
...
Kool-Aid boy you're correct, the reason Am is dying is every station
has become nothing but
conservative talk repeaters....That targets mostly 50! And so we agree
better sound isn't going to save AM radio.

If you put those same formats on FM, the sales demo (25-54) ratings increase
enormously.

Example: WIBC, a 50 kw AM in Indianapolis moved 100% to FM. It was not even
top 10 25-54, and now it is top 5. Same "conservative talk" format, no
changes. Just FM with better quality.

On Jan 20, 9:24*am, PocketRadio wrote:
On Jan 20, 10:09*am, "Commander Col. Klink"
wrote:



On Jan 19, 8:39*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Wingdingaling6" wrote in message

....
On Jan 19, 10:38 am, wrote:

Clear Channel cut's 1500 people mostly from sales. The sales people
left will be given accounts of those AE's who didn't make it.

While this is an interesting prediction, and well deserved
they get their asses canned, for the most part AM Radio
died the day they switched on IBOC. The day that IBOC
was activated is the day that AM Radio died. Nothing but
f-n white noise from one end of the band to the other and
no more late night DX'ing.

DXing makes no money for AM stations.

AM is dying because its listeners are mostly over 55, and getting older each
year... advertisers seldom target 55 and over, so those stations are, almost
without exception, dropping in revenue and ratings.

Just about 100% of AM station revenue is made in the local metropolitan
area, and most of that is made in daytime hours, not after 7 PM. So whether
you can pick up WSB in Arkansas is of no matter to the broadcaster, who can
not monetize that audience... which is both tiny and nearly unmeasurable.

If advertisers won't buy 50+ then what's the point of HD?
Kool-Aid boy you're correct, the reason Am is dying is every station
has become nothing but
conservative talk repeaters....That targets mostly 50! And so we agree
better sound isn't going to save AM radio.

Unless, you don't really think playing more music in HD is going to
save AM radio do you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"If advertisers won't buy 50+ then what's the point of HD?"

Everyone knows that AM Stereo was a failure, so the only point of IBOC
is to jam AM/FM competitors off the dial; due to the nature of RF
interference, this is why the big 50kw stations are so interested in
IBOC:

"Community Radio’s Digital Dilemma"

"As deployment grows, not only may interference between stations
increase, but the negative impact will be borne largely by those
stations that operate with the least power. Given the nature of
broadcast RF interference, the negative effects induced by
interference from higher power radio stations are exponentially
greater than smaller-power stations... Regardless of a country’s
licensing regime with regard to access to the airwaves, the wholly
proprietary nature of iBiquity’s HD Radio system trumps public
authority... a conflict with iBiquity could mean the station’s
effective silencing. This is especially important for noncommercial
and community radio stations... The average estimated cost per station
for the hardware necessary to put an HD Radio signal on the air is
about $100,000. This does not include a one-time licensing fee to use
the HD Radio software, which ranges from $10,000 to $25,000 per
station, and only covers the basic use of the HD Radio mode... There
is no commitment, either from iBiquity or the FCC, that HD Radio
represents the true digital future of U.S. radio broadcasting. The
FCC, at the behest of major broadcasters within the U.S. radio
industry (including more than 40 state broadcasters’ associatioins),
has declined to set a firm analog/digital transition date. Part of
this is due to a lack of an all-digital HD Radio standard, but it is
much more due to growing industry oppostion to the imposition of a
technologically-deficient, proprietary technology and an overwhelming
lack of listener interest."

http://diymedia.net/stuff/budapest0508.pdf

A 1 KW Local AM/MW Radio Station within 25 Miles
of your Home will Over Power a 50 KW Distant AM/MW
Radio Station 1250 Miles from your Home 9 times
out of ten or more.

AM/MW HD-Radio is about 'local' Radio and will
kill-off Distant [DX] Radio reception be it a 1 KW
or a 50 KW Powered Radio Station.

This also applies to Local and Distant [DX]
FM HD-Radio reception too.