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On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights.

You are saying that WBZ is stronger (I assume you mean "at night") in
Allegheny, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland counties of
Pennsylvania than KDKA?

Those 6 counties are the only market area that KDKA is interested in.

Similarly, I doubt that KDKA interferes with WBZ in Essex, Middlesex,
Norfolk, Plymouth, Suffolk, Worcester and Hillsborough counties, the Boston
MSA or, as you say, "market area." Since WBZ is directional westward, it's
not likely they will have any interference of significance.

Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing
Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM)
even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of
the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM...
interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality.

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On Mar 13, 2:24�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. �WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. �This is not debatable. �WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights.

You are saying that WBZ is stronger (I assume you mean "at night") in
Allegheny, Beaver, Butler, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland counties of
Pennsylvania than KDKA?

Those 6 counties are the only market area that KDKA is interested in.

Similarly, I doubt that KDKA interferes with WBZ in Essex, Middlesex,
Norfolk, Plymouth, Suffolk, Worcester and Hillsborough counties, the Boston
MSA or, as you say, "market area." Since WBZ is directional westward, it's
not likely they will have any interference of significance.

Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times hearing
Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM)
even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of
the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on FM....
interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality.

" Rochester Station Says IBOC Interferes" Bob Savage, CEO, WYSL

"WYSL has filed FIVE separate pleadings including two detailed
interference studies, over a period of 19 weeks encompassing a variety
of local weather conditions, in all three antenna modes and powers,
reply pleadings to two CBS responses (notably thin on data and highly
implausible) including scores of field readings and audio recordings
on CD. All of WYSL's data is supported by engineering statements from
TWO unimpeachable professional radio engineering firms representing
many decades of experience, all submitted UNDER OATH. One of these
engineers is renowned as an experienced researcher in the development
of terrestrial digital radio. All in all, including exhibits, over 100
pages of text and measurement data were filed with the Enforcement
Bureau with copies to the Mass Media Bureau. The FCC's response to
this mountain of persuasive data? They simply ignored it."

http://tinyurl.com/cdybql

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On Mar 13, 2:15*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:





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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is much
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"HD Radio: Where We’ve Been, Where We’re Going And How to Get There"

W.C. Alexander, CPBE, AMD Director of Engineering Crawford
Broadcasting Company

"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

http://www.crawfordbroadcasting.com/...io%20Paper.pdf

From Crawford Broadcasting - debunked again, Eduardo! Eduardo - is
your little research staff still laughing about HD Radio, Mr.
Chapter-11? LOL!

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 2:24�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

Heck, every AM gets occasional interference; I recall numerous times
hearing
Venezuela on 1-A Clear Channel 1100 in early evenings over WKYC (now WTAM)
even though I was about 12 miles from the WTAM transmitter. That's one of
the reasons AM has so little appeal to the generations that grew up on
FM...
interference, noise, static, lousy audio quality.

" Rochester Station Says IBOC Interferes" Bob Savage, CEO, WYSL

WYSL is not a Rochester station. It is a far suburban station trying, with
horribly low power at night, to cover a market beyond it's ability to cover,
with or without HD on a distant station.

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is
much
more.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny
fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If
the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete
with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD
is for significant players in significant markets.

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On Mar 13, 12:52 pm, wrote:
On Mar 13, 12:47 pm, wrote:



On Mar 13, 12:32 pm, wrote:

On Mar 13, 11:58 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:

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On Mar 13, 1:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
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On Mar 12, 5:50 pm, PocketRadio wrote:
"Rumor: Citadel is turning off HD to save (electric) expenses."

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermai...ch/086066.html

LMFAO! Expect the rest of he jammers and scammers to turn off IBOC -
they are all going under and can't even afford their electrical bills!

Hope it's true. What do you think Eduardo?

HD hardly uses any electrical. A sidelight on a tower uses more than
most.

Citadel turned of HD on a couple of AMs which were interfering at night,
WABC an WJR.

Eduardo -YDF - You can't have it both ways - Either the interference
is a significant problem on AM or it's not. How come WBZ or KDKA or
WHAM or WWVA keep their hd on full time? I'm within the protective
contour of KDKA and WBZ interferes with them at night.

To stations, the issue is not the protected contour but the groundwave
useful coverage area and the dimensions of the Arbitron metro. WHAM and WWVA
have no interference in their metros or areas immediately surrounding them.
Neither do KDKA and WBZ. But apparently, WJR and WABC had problems in areas
right at the edge of the metros, and decided it was not worth keeping the HD
on at night. Since night radio listening is only a tiny part of day
listening, the decision is relatively simple.

Eduardo - You really don't know what your talking about. WBZ is a
times as strong or stronger than KDKA's groundwave in their local
area. This is not debatable. WBZ hash can be heard under KDKA most
nights. Why either of them is transmitting it is a mystery to me.
The only thing I can figure is they've bought into the idiotic notion
that people will eventually come if they keep pushing it. This was a
decision based on wishful marketing and foolish station owner/
operators not interference - of which there is plenty.

Eduardo - IBOC / HD radio is all about recklessly trying to making
money with no regard for any other issue, be that interference,
consumer wants or needs, smaller broadcaster coverage areas, or
anything else you can think of.

You mistakenly think there was actual thought that goes into who
transmits it and who doesn't - as if there is some "big-picture"
plan. There is not. Its all about economics and the possibility of
making big $$. Greed and nothing else.

A wiser Goverment would have never allowed it. But that we no longer
have.

With all your statistics and facts you are amazingly ignorant of
reality and I say that with all due respect.
Put the trade magazines down and think for yourself - if you can still
do that.

Eduardo - You're the kind of person that would be absolutely be lost
if you couldn't stand behind a bunch of statistical information that
you yourself didn't even compile but you read it somewhere. Then, you
show up and spew this crap and think yourself smart and informed.

That's our 'Eduardo', Bryant Sierra all the way!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And, as always, don't let your children attend Louisville Technical Institute.
They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who knows, there
may be more dufi there.

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On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is
much
more.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny
fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If
the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete
with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD
is for significant players in significant markets.

the station should not consider HD. HD is for significant players in significant markets

Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't
that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way
- it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition".
Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the
10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio
jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC.
The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this
useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam
and that it is DOA.

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On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 2:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

False - 90% of IBOC power is dumped.

The insertion loss depends on the combiner system. In cases of FM, using
separate antennae, there is no insertion loss. It's still a small amount,
any way you look at it. Tower obstruction lighting or AC consumption is
much
more.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal are of
necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range.
As such they take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in
heat and more cooling is required. It can thus
cost three times as much to operate a linearized transmitter than a
nonlinearized transmitter with the same
TPO... Additional up-front costs are incurred for the injector and
reject load as well as the transmission
line parts to connect everything together.. year times 15 years.
Include the cost of additional cooling using the same
formula... Linearized transmitters capable of passing the HD-R signal
are of necessity inefficient, often in the 30-40% range. As such they
take more electricity to operate. More power is wasted in heat and
more cooling is required. It can thus cost three times as much to
operate a linearized transmitter than a nonlinearized..."

Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny
fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If
the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to compete
with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD. HD
is for significant players in significant markets.

Nope - Citadel is rumored to be turning it off due to electrial costs.
Otherswill follow as they go Chapter-11.

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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Oh, but I thought the "digital transition" was for everyone - wasn't
that the point of IBOC? Even the losers at iBiquity think the same way
- it's only for the Big Boys. So much for the "digital transition".
Even the Big Boys are turning it off, and won't be able to afford the
10db power boost. HD Radio is a bust. HD Radio is a scam. HD Radio
jams commnnity stations off the dial - but, that is the point of IBOC.
The Big Boys are the investors, and smaller stations can't afford this
useless "upgrade". Everyone has figured out that HD Radio is a scam
and that it is DOA.

HD is initially for the good signals in the better markets. That's where
most of the population lives.

And remember, in a typical market with 10 to 20 AM signals, an average of 2
are viable today. And as many as a third of the FMs in most markets are
limited or not viable, either.

There is no 10db power boost, as there has been no rulemaking. Just a
proposal. And lots of opposition form second adjacent in the same area...

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"PocketRadio" wrote in message
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On Mar 13, 3:12�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
Sure, it takes more power. But the overall cost to a station is a tiny
fraction of a percent of its operating budget. Same goes for equipment. If
the cost is significant, 1) the station can not and won't be able to
compete
with better financed stations and, 2) the station should not consider HD.
HD
is for significant players in significant markets.

Nope - Citadel is rumored to be turning it off due to electrial costs.
Otherswill follow as they go Chapter-11.

You just made that lie up. No truth whatsoever.