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"But, on the downside, some of our panel experienced problems at night
- and we saw these effects in our measurements as well. The problem
will be familiar to many listeners to medium-wave: at night, changes
in the atmosphere mean that signals from distant transmitters reach
our shores more easily. On medium-wave, you might hear this as cross-
talk: a foreign voice underneath what you're trying to listen to, or
the occasional 'splat' of another transmission. The issue we came
across with DRM is that this interference causes the radio to stop
decoding the signal: sometimes only momentarily, sometimes for a while
longer. So rather than listening through the interference, it's like
all digital systems: you either get it (and so get it at a
consistently high quality) or you don't get it at all. So while most
of the panel continued to listen without experiencing any problems,
some of them found they were only served during the day and had patchy
coverage at night. And of course this problem became worse as the
hours of daylight shrunk during the autumn; so by winter, some were
beginning to experience poor reception in the late afternoon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs...&ssoc=register
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Booble wrote:

"But, on the downside, some of our panel experienced problems at night
- and we saw these effects in our measurements as well. The problem
will be familiar to many listeners to medium-wave: at night, changes
in the atmosphere mean that signals from distant transmitters reach
our shores more easily. On medium-wave, you might hear this as cross-
talk: a foreign voice underneath what you're trying to listen to, or
the occasional 'splat' of another transmission. The issue we came
across with DRM is that this interference causes the radio to stop
decoding the signal: sometimes only momentarily, sometimes for a while
longer. So rather than listening through the interference, it's like
all digital systems: you either get it (and so get it at a
consistently high quality) or you don't get it at all. So while most
of the panel continued to listen without experiencing any problems,
some of them found they were only served during the day and had patchy
coverage at night. And of course this problem became worse as the
hours of daylight shrunk during the autumn; so by winter, some were
beginning to experience poor reception in the late afternoon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs...ale_our_med.sh
tml?ssorl=1244337111&ssols=13&ssoc=register


DRM is smoke and mirrors just like IBOC.

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Telamon wrote:

DRM is smoke and mirrors just like IBOC.



drm is ... working for your money ...

Sorry, because our engineer can't sit and wait, he's been busy on dab, dab+,
drm, drm+....

He's now gone invent some new digital tv format too .... dvbt+ ...

When he stops inventing media, he'll be busy doing some antivirus or pro
virus inventions ...

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Telamon wrote:
In article
,
Booble wrote:

"But, on the downside, some of our panel experienced problems at night
- and we saw these effects in our measurements as well. The problem
will be familiar to many listeners to medium-wave: at night, changes
in the atmosphere mean that signals from distant transmitters reach
our shores more easily. On medium-wave, you might hear this as cross-
talk: a foreign voice underneath what you're trying to listen to, or
the occasional 'splat' of another transmission. The issue we came
across with DRM is that this interference causes the radio to stop
decoding the signal: sometimes only momentarily, sometimes for a while
longer. So rather than listening through the interference, it's like
all digital systems: you either get it (and so get it at a
consistently high quality) or you don't get it at all. So while most
of the panel continued to listen without experiencing any problems,
some of them found they were only served during the day and had patchy
coverage at night. And of course this problem became worse as the
hours of daylight shrunk during the autumn; so by winter, some were
beginning to experience poor reception in the late afternoon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs...ale_our_med.sh
tml?ssorl=1244337111&ssols=13&ssoc=register


DRM is smoke and mirrors just like IBOC.


Does DRM have conditional access capability. Digital means information
is no longer free.
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dave wrote:

Does DRM have conditional access capability. Digital means information
is no longer free.


Exactly. It can serve as a lock on the receiving end.

In many cases it also means information is no longer private. The data
stream, at last on the 'net, tells you who's doing what and where. The
digital fingerprints are everywhere, allowing easy tracking.

Why should electronic mail be any different than normal mail? Privacy
should be a given in either case.

PGP encryption is viable, but only in a limited number of cases.



mike


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In article ,
user wrote:

Telamon wrote:

DRM is smoke and mirrors just like IBOC.



drm is ... working for your money ...

Sorry, because our engineer can't sit and wait, he's been busy on dab, dab+,
drm, drm+....

He's now gone invent some new digital tv format too .... dvbt+ ...

When he stops inventing media, he'll be busy doing some antivirus or pro
virus inventions ...


DRM was not invented. It is all old technology being misapplied to a
medium that does not support it well so all during its "development" it
was continually revised to take up more spectrum and power just to
support the original claims that were made for it.

The original claims turned out to be all lies.

Here is a phrase that works for me "DRM and IBOC both suck."

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In article ,
dave wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article
,
Booble wrote:

"But, on the downside, some of our panel experienced problems at night
- and we saw these effects in our measurements as well. The problem
will be familiar to many listeners to medium-wave: at night, changes
in the atmosphere mean that signals from distant transmitters reach
our shores more easily. On medium-wave, you might hear this as cross-
talk: a foreign voice underneath what you're trying to listen to, or
the occasional 'splat' of another transmission. The issue we came
across with DRM is that this interference causes the radio to stop
decoding the signal: sometimes only momentarily, sometimes for a while
longer. So rather than listening through the interference, it's like
all digital systems: you either get it (and so get it at a
consistently high quality) or you don't get it at all. So while most
of the panel continued to listen without experiencing any problems,
some of them found they were only served during the day and had patchy
coverage at night. And of course this problem became worse as the
hours of daylight shrunk during the autumn; so by winter, some were
beginning to experience poor reception in the late afternoon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs...ndiale_our_med
.sh
tml?ssorl=1244337111&ssols=13&ssoc=register


DRM is smoke and mirrors just like IBOC.


Does DRM have conditional access capability. Digital means information
is no longer free.


Yes, digital means information can be controlled with keys. You will
have to pay for the additional complexity of the receiver and rent a key
for access. This can create a continuous revenue stream from you to the
provider.

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In article , m II wrote:

dave wrote:

Does DRM have conditional access capability. Digital means information
is no longer free.


Exactly. It can serve as a lock on the receiving end.

In many cases it also means information is no longer private. The data
stream, at last on the 'net, tells you who's doing what and where. The
digital fingerprints are everywhere, allowing easy tracking.

Why should electronic mail be any different than normal mail? Privacy
should be a given in either case.

PGP encryption is viable, but only in a limited number of cases.


Yes, it is also a privacy issue. If that were in place today and you had
to subscribe to Hal Turner in order to hear his show the thought police
would currently be on your trail.

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