On Jul 12, 1:52*am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message

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The station, without knowing it, failed because it was a Class IV on 1340
in a very sparsely populated county... where even today, a C2 FM only puts
a decent signal over 60,000 persons. And that county, unlike in the 50's,
is now invaded by many usable FMs from other nearby locations... yet it
had a monopoly when it went on in 1950.

1) *KAPA was a damn fine station, with great local flavor and a good
community presence. I listened to it while I lived there most of the time,
even though KOL in Seattle put in a very good signal to the south, and
continued to listen when I lived in Astoria, because the signal they put in
there was quite good, and they had a better program than the (then) two
locals and a semi-local (KVAS, KAST and KSWB).

2) To quote a certain shill person "nobody listens to radio outside the
64dBu city contours" and "stations don't care about anyone outside their own
city contours... they do not count in the ratings." *I know there was other
BS in there somewhere..

when i was a kid, there was a radio station in of all place, little
rock arkansas, i am in minneapolis/st.paul, that rock station would
come in late at night, and really good if it was a clear night, and
they would play all sorts of rock music that was obscure, and that was
back in the 60's and 70's. i really miss them.
they used to play a song about hemp rope, and the hippe that craved
the rope, it was hilarious. today if you dare criticize a
conservative, you are banned from air time, censored like the nazi's
used to do. conservatism, just say no, its the healthy thing to do.

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On Jul 12, 1:52 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"David Eduardo" wrote in message
KSWB).

2) To quote a certain shill person "nobody listens to radio outside the
64dBu city contours" and "stations don't care about anyone outside their
own
city contours... they do not count in the ratings." I know there was other
BS in there somewhere..

when i was a kid, there was a radio station in of all place, little
rock arkansas, i am in minneapolis/st.paul, that rock station would
come in late at night, and really good if it was a clear night, and
they would play all sorts of rock music that was obscure, and that was
back in the 60's and 70's. i really miss them.

The reason why folks listened to out of town stations 50 years ago is that
there were still no Top 40 (or other "hip" formats) in many markets. So kids
in Ruidoso, NM listend to KOMA from Oklahoma City and those in Northport,
Michigan, listened to WLS and so on.

Now, there are many more stations. For example, in the case of Northport,
they had two AMs giving day, but not night service, in 1960. Today, it has
over a dozen usable signals day and night. They have 8 or 9 distinct formats
to chose from, and have no need to listen to static and fading on distant
AMs.

they used to play a song about hemp rope, and the hippe that craved
the rope, it was hilarious. today if you dare criticize a
conservative, you are banned from air time, censored like the nazi's
used to do. conservatism, just say no, its the healthy thing to do.

Yes, I am sure that not-so-subtle references to drugs amuse you... uh,
pardon me, befuddle you.

On Jul 12, 12:55*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 1:52 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
KSWB).

2) To quote a certain shill person "nobody listens to radio outside the
64dBu city contours" and "stations don't care about anyone outside their
own
city contours... they do not count in the ratings." I know there was other
BS in there somewhere..

when i was a kid, there was a radio station in of all place, little
rock arkansas, i am in minneapolis/st.paul, that rock station would
come in late at night, and really good if it was a clear night, and
they would play all sorts of rock music that was obscure, and that was
back in the 60's and 70's. i really miss them.

The reason why folks listened to out of town stations 50 years ago is that
there were still no Top 40 (or other "hip" formats) in many markets. So kids
in Ruidoso, NM listend to KOMA from Oklahoma City and those in Northport,
Michigan, listened to WLS and so on.


we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then. properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.


Now, there are many more stations. For example, in the case of Northport,
they had two AMs giving day, but not night service, in 1960. Today, it has
over a dozen usable signals day and night. They have 8 or 9 distinct formats
to chose from, and have no need to listen to static and fading on distant
AMs.


we know music went to f.m. that does not mean they are locked into a
playlist some corporate toady has chosen for us to hear.


*they used to play a song about hemp rope, and the hippe that craved
the rope, it was hilarious. today if you dare criticize a
conservative, you are banned from air time, censored like the nazi's
used to do. conservatism, just say no, its the healthy thing to do.

Yes, I am sure that not-so-subtle references to drugs amuse you... uh,
pardon me, befuddle you.

it was funny. just like itsibisty yellow polka dot bikini, monster
mash, or purple people eater, nether of those could make it with
today's corporate feverish grip on the media.

Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Jul 12, 12:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 1:52 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
KSWB).

2) To quote a certain shill person "nobody listens to radio outside the
64dBu city contours" and "stations don't care about anyone outside their
own
city contours... they do not count in the ratings." I know there was other
BS in there somewhere..

when i was a kid, there was a radio station in of all place, little
rock arkansas, i am in minneapolis/st.paul, that rock station would
come in late at night, and really good if it was a clear night, and
they would play all sorts of rock music that was obscure, and that was
back in the 60's and 70's. i really miss them.

The reason why folks listened to out of town stations 50 years ago is that
there were still no Top 40 (or other "hip" formats) in many markets. So kids
in Ruidoso, NM listend to KOMA from Oklahoma City and those in Northport,
Michigan, listened to WLS and so on.


we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then. properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.

Psssssst... 'Eduardo' is a corporate toady.

"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message
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On Jul 12, 12:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then.

Top 40 stations played 40 songs, give or take. And WDGY was a Storz station,
and Todd Storz was very rigid about playing the list and nothing but the
list.

properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.

The music is picked the same way it was done 40 years ago.

And variety, as a perception, is not created by playing more songs, it is
created by playing songs the indivudual listener likes without the ones they
don't like. That means commonality and concordance on the biggest hits, and
nothing else.

Now, there are many more stations. For example, in the case of Northport,
they had two AMs giving day, but not night service, in 1960. Today, it has
over a dozen usable signals day and night. They have 8 or 9 distinct
formats
to chose from, and have no need to listen to static and fading on distant
AMs.


we know music went to f.m. that does not mean they are locked into a
playlist some corporate toady has chosen for us to hear.

And, of course, that is not the way it happens. In the best of cases, all
but the brand new songs are picked by the listeners themselves.

Yes, I am sure that not-so-subtle references to drugs amuse you... uh,
pardon me, befuddle you.

it was funny. just like itsibisty yellow polka dot bikini, monster
mash, or purple people eater, nether of those could make it with
today's corporate feverish grip on the media.

I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely fall
under being outside community standards and subject a station to a $325
thousand dollar per play fine. But I know of plenty of novelty songs like
Monster Mash and the like that have been played in the last decade...
nothing has changed.

On Jul 13, 10:29*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Nickname unavailable" wrote in message

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On Jul 12, 12:55 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

we had 2 top 40 stations back then, including the one where i got to
pick my own top 40. we listened to other stations because there was a
wide selection and variety available to people back then.

Top 40 stations played 40 songs, give or take. And WDGY was a Storz station,
and Todd Storz was very rigid about playing the list and nothing but the
list.

properly
interpreted, it means we had options. but even our top 40 stations
played a wide variety. today you get a selection some corporate toady
picks for you.

The music is picked the same way it was done 40 years ago.

And variety, as a perception, is not created by playing more songs, it is
created by playing songs the indivudual listener likes without the ones they
don't like. That means commonality and concordance on the biggest hits, and
nothing else.

Now, there are many more stations. For example, in the case of Northport,
they had two AMs giving day, but not night service, in 1960. Today, it has
over a dozen usable signals day and night. They have 8 or 9 distinct
formats
to chose from, and have no need to listen to static and fading on distant
AMs.

we know music went to f.m. that does not mean they are locked into a
playlist some corporate toady has chosen for us to hear.

And, of course, that is not the way it happens. In the best of cases, all
but the brand new songs are picked by the listeners themselves.

Yes, I am sure that not-so-subtle references to drugs amuse you... uh,
pardon me, befuddle you.

it was funny. just like itsibisty yellow polka dot bikini, monster
mash, or purple people eater, nether of those could make it with
today's corporate feverish grip on the media.

I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely fall
under being outside community standards and subject a station to a $325
thousand dollar per play fine. But I know of plenty of novelty songs like
Monster Mash and the like that have been played in the last decade...
nothing has changed.

only you believe this market crap, the rest of us know better.

David Eduardo wrote:


I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely
fall under being outside community standards and subject a station to a
$325 thousand dollar per play fine.

Bull****. You can talk about drugs all you want. Get a grip.

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:


I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would likely
fall under being outside community standards and subject a station to a
$325 thousand dollar per play fine.

Bull****. You can talk about drugs all you want. Get a grip.

There are some real practical limits... and they come to community
standards. A discussion of drug legalization is OK, while a person giving
instruction on how to best set up a bong might not.

Is the Estrogen I bought at the GNC store a drug? I doubt very much it
will turn me into a drug addict though.I think I will check out Evansce
and that Femi whatever it is called stuff.
cuhulin

On 7/14/09 14:26 , David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:


I doubt anyone would play the drug reference song, as that would
likely fall under being outside community standards and subject a
station to a $325 thousand dollar per play fine.

Bull****. You can talk about drugs all you want. Get a grip.

There are some real practical limits... and they come to community
standards. A discussion of drug legalization is OK, while a person
giving instruction on how to best set up a bong might not.





As evidenced by the hundreds of millions in fines assessed against
radio since 1977 for Clapton's "Cocaine."


Or Johnny Cash's 'Cocaine Blues.'

Or Grateful Dead's 'Cocaine.'

Or the countless Cheech and Chong recordings that have hit the air since.

Please.

And then, there's Steve Miller's "Jet Airliner" which contained the
phrase, '...all the funky **** going down in the city," when it hit the
air on radio stations in markets across the country, straight off the
album in April of 1977. I can speak with some confidence on this....I
played it myself on stations in markets from small town Iowa, to big
city Texas, through Missouri, Kansas and Illinois, over the years. It's
playing in Chicago now.

Also playing in Chicago, on Bonneville's WDRV, no less, is Pink
Floyd's "Money." Complete with 'that goody-good bull****,' in tact. Even
in morning drive.

Spoken word content has been cracked more than once. And jobs have
been lost, to be sure. But lyric content has been challenged, has been
taken to court, and has won in case after case.

You should have heard KDNA, St Louis, in its heyday. You'd have had a
klong where you sat.

How to set up a bong was tame by comparison to KDNA.