Maybe they will try Clinton for that as soon as they try
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz for lying us into two fake wars.
History will show that Bush et al failed America in those dark days.

I understand your feelings for the scores killed at Waco. Now if only
you could work up some sympathy for the *thousands* of American troops
and *tens of thousands* of civilians maimed and killed by W's folly.

On 4/24/2010 6:51 PM, Cicero Venatio wrote:

Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they
absolutely refused to kneel before him.

Bush fought for oil??? You may be right, that -may- have been the real
reason, but as far as I know, that was NEVER publicly admitted to by the
Bush administration -- essentially the American public was lied into two
phony wars (that we are STILL paying the price for).

Anyway, even if Bush did do it "for oil", are you implying that Bush
gets a free pass to kill thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of
innocent civilians just because it was "for oil"? Does oil justify that?

...absolutely refused to kneel before him.

Well, I'm not sure about that. It may have had more to do with the
Davidians having illegal weapons. The fire appeared to be
accidental/unintentional. I don't think the ATF or Bill Clinton overtly
planned on having a fire. The government probably would have been
perfectly happy if the Davidians honored the ATF legal search warrant.

Finally, let's be pragmatic...

Yes, the 86 bogus Waco deaths were sad, even though accidental and not
specifically planned.

However, Bush DID overtly plan the two bogus wars.

86 accidental deaths versus tens of thousands of deaths that we the
people were lied into. So, you tell me, who is the bigger criminal,
Clinton or Bush?

If you think Clinton should be tried for those 86 deaths, well, fair
enough. But then I'm contending that Bush should be tried for the tens
of thousands of deaths he lied us into.

Cicero Venatio wrote:

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Bush fought for oil, Clinton executed the Davidians simply because they
absolutely refused to kneel before him.

That's a little nutso. I doubt Clinton gave a **** one way or the
other. The Army was wrong to blink first. It's amazing how a handful
of gun nuts, women and kids could hold the mighty USA at bay for a month.

They could've just set up a controlled perimeter and waited them out.

in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
In


On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:18:46 -0700 (PDT), Wexford said about:
The Tea Party, Timothy McVeigh, and Tainted History


On Apr 24, 1:02=C2=A0pm, =E2=88=85baMa=E2=88=85 Tse Dung 0bama0.spea...@gm=
ail.com wrote:
Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama
administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has
reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995.

Hahahahahaha! You people are a helluva hoot. Clinton incendiary???
When you have Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilley,
Beck -- the whole bloody menagerie is YOURS!!! Stop it! Yer killin'
me! Hahahahahaha! Moron.

We know who told the morons that.
It's from Propaganda 101: reversing the facts.

"The cleverest trick used in propaganda ... to accuse Germany of
what our enemies themselves were doing. ...the typical
characteristics of German propaganda are lying, crudeness,
reversing the facts and the like. "
--Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Nuernberg, 1934

In his propaganda campaigns, Goebbels used all forms of the media
but stressed radio.

Radio?
USA Today/Gallup poll -RUSH LIMBAUGH is the REPUBLICAN'S LEADER!
"Who speaks for the Republican party?"
LIMBAUGH...In every catigory: Both Republicans, Dems agree.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120806/Li...aking-GOP.aspx


Uncanny, huh?





The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so!

Rush Oxycontin Limbaugh isn't isn't my leader!

http://www.devilfinder.com
Fair.org Rush Limbaugh The Way Things Aren't
cuhulin

wrote:
Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so!

There are hours of tapes of Mr. McVeigh bragging about the deed.

Timothy McVeigh was there, but that truck bomb didn't cause all that
damage.It couldn't have.That building in Oklahoma City blew up from the
inside out.
cuhulin

dave wrote:
wrote:
Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so!

There are hours of tapes of Mr. McVeigh bragging about the deed.


One does not preclude the other.

McVeigh may have been followed, encouraged, guided, and then taken
advantage of -- with extra explosives as "insurance," as the
efficacy of a truck bomb some considerable distance from the
building was naturally doubted by the experts involved.

I was listening to the radio in the minutes and hours immediately
after the event, and there were definitely reports of additional
bombs inside the building -- which stands to reason, considering the
massive damage.

It was also extremely suspicious that McVeigh, shortly before the
attack, placed a number of apparently pointless telephone calls.

He (if indeed it _was_ he and not a helpful "associate") did this
using a phone card sold by Liberty Lobby, a right-wing populist
group. He called a long list of right-wing and pro-White racial
organizations a few days before the bombing, typically leaving
messages and asking -- almost begging -- to be contacted. The tally
of organizations he tried to contact is very similar to those on the
SPLC's alleged "hate group" list.

It would be as if Lee Harvey Oswald had sat down during the first
weeks of November, 1963, and made dozens of telephone calls
attempting to set up meetings with every left-wing group on the
House Un-American Activities Committee list -- and did so from the
lobby phone at Americans for Democratic Action.

McVeigh's association with Nichols was probably not part of his
handlers' plans, since it vitiated their claim that the bombing was
the work of "racists." (Nichols was in an interracial marriage.) So
McVeigh clearly had a considerable degree of freedom of action, and
was not operating under direct orders.

But a patsy nonetheless? I say that is very likely.

Cui bono? Those who wanted increased government power to monitor,
infiltrate, and stifle dissenters. (Legislation that presaged the
Patriot Act -- itself triggered by a later, possibly false flag,
event -- was pushed through after OKC.) Those who wanted to demonize
radicals who question the Empire. Those who wanted -- and still want
-- to demonize groups that demand self-determination.


With all good wishes,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

In article ,
dave wrote:

wrote:
Was Timothy McVeigh set up to be a patsy? Metinks so!

There are hours of tapes of Mr. McVeigh bragging about the deed.

.. . . and where is the outrage over "collateral damage" now? If they are
little brown children and women, it's OK?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

The M-14 Party.That M-14 is like the one I was issued when I was in
Vietnam.The M-14 I was issued had a darker wood stock.It was
manufactured by Springfield Armory, if I reckymember perzactly.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=288324
cuhulin

In article
,
Wexford wrote:

On Apr 24, 1:02Â*pm, ?baMa? Tse Dung wrote:
Anyone waving a placard or voicing dissent against the Obama
administration dare not protest too loudly. President Bill Clinton has
reignited the incendiary rhetoric of April 19, 1995.

Hahahahahaha! You people are a helluva hoot. Clinton incendiary???
When you have Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Morris, Hannity, O'Reilley,
Beck -- the whole bloody menagerie is YOURS!!! Stop it! Yer killin'
me! Hahahahahaha! Moron.

Oh dang. Your cold, man. Now they're gonna go all self conscious, and
choke, and they're not gonna be as funny as they have been ;o)
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html