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Them bulbs, them bulbs, them dryyy bulbs, doooooo the work of the
Lawd,,,, And there was Light. What will Ford Motor Company (Ford has a better Idea, CLICK!) do if Incandescent Light Bulbs are outlawed in America? cuhulin |
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On Jun 11, 1:37*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "Bill Baka" wrote in message ... On 06/10/2010 08:44 AM, wrote: Them bulbs, them bulbs, them dryyy bulbs, doooooo the work of the Lawd,,,, And there was Light. What will Ford Motor Company (Ford has a better Idea, CLICK!) do if Incandescent Light Bulbs are outlawed in America? cuhulin I think they are already on the government's hit list. Sodium vapor lights? Turn on and wait for ignition??? LED's will probably be packed into a headlight assembly. I have a 5 year old Cat Eye LED bicycle light that is fair to middling in the light output category. Newer LED's are brighter but require some serious heat sinking, something that is do'able in a car for mass production. I think they would be more reliable too since I have had one filament break while the lights were on and I hit a big bump. The filaments are fairly robust when cold, but very weak when heated to make light. All 4 now, Bill Baka Our PX has some fancy Samsung LED floods in the parking lot. 75% cheaper to run than the metal halide lamps they replace, and even a bit more light.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So long as they're aimed downward and don't illuminate the night sky with wasted energy, I am all for them! ;-) Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. Bruce the Amateur Astronomer |
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On Jun 11, 6:42*am, dave wrote:
wrote: Them bulbs, them bulbs, them dryyy bulbs, doooooo the work of the Lawd,,,, And there was Light. What will Ford Motor Company (Ford has a better Idea, CLICK!) do if Incandescent Light Bulbs are outlawed in America? cuhulin Incandescent panel lamps will still be allowed for a while at least won't they? *Something* with a dimmer switch. Runs on a battery anyway... |
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LED traffic lights and LED sidewalk lights don't put out any heat to
melt the ice and snow in the Wintertime.There were problems with that last Winter, especially with traffic lights.Sooooo, if they have to wind up rigging up some way to keep the ice and snow from obscuring those LED lights, where is the energy savings? Last Winter, in some parts of America, they had trucks going around and spraying deicing fluid/whatever kind of fluid on some LED traffic lights.Not much savings (Money) there either. cuhulin |
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On Jun 11, 8:29*am, wrote:
LED traffic lights and LED sidewalk lights don't put out any heat to melt the ice and snow in the Wintertime.There were problems with that last Winter, especially with traffic lights.Sooooo, if they have to wind up rigging up some way to keep the ice and snow from obscuring those LED lights, where is the energy savings? Last Winter, in some parts of America, they had trucks going around and spraying deicing fluid/whatever kind of fluid on some LED traffic lights.Not much savings (Money) there either. cuhulin I cannot speak to traffic lights, because they are necessarily aimed sideways into weather from *some* direction - but for general illumination, all you need is a housing that keeps the snow and ice off them. Not that hard to construct, and would serve the double purpose of eliminating light trespass and light pollution. Bruce |
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Durn Tootin! Drill em Full of Lead! ~ George ''Gabby'' Hayes.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=290913 And the way B.O.Plenty used to spit in those old Dick Tracy comic books I used to read back in the 1940s. I got an email yesterday from that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyyyy over yonder across the big pond.She said she hasen't heard didly squat from me in quite a while. I reckon I better email her. http://ingeb.org/songs/othentel.html cuhulin |
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Two Helicopters have crashed in Montgomery County,Arkansas.Governor Mike
Beebe said a temporary morg has been set up.About 300 people at a campground there. cuhulin |
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Albert Pike Campground Arkansas At least 12 people killed in floodwaters cuhulin |
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On Jun 11, 9:34*am, wrote:
Durn Tootin! Drill em Full of Lead! ~ George ''Gabby'' Hayes.http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=290913 And the way B.O.Plenty used to spit in those old Dick Tracy comic books I used to read back in the 1940s. I got an email yesterday from that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyyyy over yonder across the big pond.She said she hasen't heard didly squat from me in quite a while. I reckon I better email her. http://ingeb.org/songs/othentel.html cuhulin Well, now *we* feel special - WE hear didly squat from you every day! |
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Yeah, in fact of the business, Ergo the heat and the humidity outside
(you don't know what Mississippi Summertimes are like and I am not as young and spry like I used to be) and Ergo I am still working on my house, I am taking me twice as many bareques than usual.Ergo, I Can and I Do. cuhulin |
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On Jun 11, 1:40*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California |
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bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. |
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On Jun 12, 5:08*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob *wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. *We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. *We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. *You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. *I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... |
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bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Jun 12, 9:32*am, dxAce wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob *wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device.. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. *We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. *We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. *You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. *I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. *18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA We can only hope - I'll move to LA if that happens! |
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dxAce wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? Hopin' that they might teach the clown 'tards out in CA a lesson, don'tcha know. dxAce Michigan USA |
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Let a Candle Light Thy Way.
Those old kerosene lanterns (of which I own a bunch of them) just might be back in vogue someday. Anybody want to buy an old kerosene lantern? cuhulin |
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Jackson,Mississippi Observatory Observa DOME? I had never hoid of that one before. Wreak of the Mary Deare movie is crankin up on the TCM channel right now.It is hot and muggy and humid outside.Doggy and I are goin tu watch teh movie. cuhulin |
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bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 12, 5:08 am, wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... It was really bright when I was in BSA. |
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On Jun 11, 8:29*am, wrote:
LED traffic lights and LED sidewalk lights don't put out any heat to melt the ice and snow in the Wintertime.There were problems with that last Winter, especially with traffic lights.Sooooo, if they have to wind up rigging up some way to keep the ice and snow from obscuring those LED lights, where is the energy savings? Last Winter, in some parts of America, they had trucks going around and spraying deicing fluid/whatever kind of fluid on some LED traffic lights.Not much savings (Money) there either. cuhulin Many of these so-called 10 Year "Last-4-Ever" {low maintenance} 10 Year LED Traffic Light Bulbs are now showing individual LED and complete segments of LEDs that are not working and the Light coming from the Traffic Light is dim at best. The technology still needs work to be truly cost effective and durable for normal consumer use and oh yes Bright Enough To Read By ! ~ RHF |
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bpnjensen wrote:
On Jun 12, 5:08 am, wrote: As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... As I recall from some hideous PBS in a hotel room, the 100" [?] was too tiny for anything else, according to the guy who built the 200" on Palomar. I'm way too busy to look it up. |
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On Jun 12, 7:10*am, Bill Baka wrote:
On 06/11/2010 08:14 AM, bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 6:42 am, *wrote: wrote: Them bulbs, them bulbs, them dryyy bulbs, doooooo the work of the Lawd,,,, And there was Light. What will Ford Motor Company (Ford has a better Idea, CLICK!) do if Incandescent Light Bulbs are outlawed in America? cuhulin Incandescent panel lamps will still be allowed for a while at least won't they? *Something* with a dimmer switch. Runs on a battery anyway... Uh, Guys, The amount of electricity taken by the headlamps is totally insignificant compared to the power to move the car, so I don't think it is a priority with any car maker. They have almost all gone to LED tail lights and turn signals since they don't burn out nearly as often, it at all, and they can claim to be going high tech. Headlamps I have seen a lot of halogen but when a car is coming at me it is damn near blinding even on low beam. There's up and then there's downs to any technology. Lets hope the LED's when they finally make it to headlights can have a better focused beam. Bill Baka The big saving to the Auto Makers is that the new LED Lights can use a smaller Wire and help reduce the Cost and Weight of the Car. {= Improved Fuel Economy} ~ RHF |
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Brenda Ann wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA The mere threat of doing so could actually get AZ in a buttload of trouble with the feds. Along with being illegal (extortion), it's also a threat to national security and an act of terrorism under the Patriot Act. But then, AZ doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks. Threat to national security? Come on. Arizona is merely trying to enhance national security. Something that Boy Barry and his cadre of Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists seem to care little about. Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. dxAce Michigan USA |
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RHF wrote:
On Jun 11, 8:29 am, wrote: LED traffic lights and LED sidewalk lights don't put out any heat to melt the ice and snow in the Wintertime.There were problems with that last Winter, especially with traffic lights.Sooooo, if they have to wind up rigging up some way to keep the ice and snow from obscuring those LED lights, where is the energy savings? Last Winter, in some parts of America, they had trucks going around and spraying deicing fluid/whatever kind of fluid on some LED traffic lights.Not much savings (Money) there either. cuhulin Many of these so-called 10 Year "Last-4-Ever" {low maintenance} 10 Year LED Traffic Light Bulbs are now showing individual LED and complete segments of LEDs that are not working and the Light coming from the Traffic Light is dim at best. The technology still needs work to be truly cost effective and durable for normal consumer use and oh yes Bright Enough To Read By ! ~ RHF . ?? They've been using LEDS forever. What I'd do in the frozen North, is use LEDS for Red and Yellow, and incandescent for Green. A standard 4 sided fixture would almost continuously produce 240 Watts of heat, enough to keep ice from forming, no? |
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dxAce wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA The mere threat of doing so could actually get AZ in a buttload of trouble with the feds. Along with being illegal (extortion), it's also a threat to national security and an act of terrorism under the Patriot Act. But then, AZ doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks. Threat to national security? Come on. Arizona is merely trying to enhance national security. Something that Boy Barry and his cadre of Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists seem to care little about. Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. One other item: Just how did Boy Barry's Aunt obtain 'asylum' under our nations immigration laws? What 'threat' was she under in Kenya? If she was under some 'threat', then why were Boy Barry's other relatives not airlifted out of Kenya? Why were Boy Barry's Aunt's immigration papers, and the reason for her 'asylum' sealed? dxAce Michigan USA |
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On 06/12/2010 01:53 PM, RHF wrote:
On Jun 12, 7:10 am, Bill wrote: On 06/11/2010 08:14 AM, bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 6:42 am, wrote: wrote: Them bulbs, them bulbs, them dryyy bulbs, doooooo the work of the Lawd,,,, And there was Light. What will Ford Motor Company (Ford has a better Idea, CLICK!) do if Incandescent Light Bulbs are outlawed in America? cuhulin Incandescent panel lamps will still be allowed for a while at least won't they? *Something* with a dimmer switch. Runs on a battery anyway... Uh, Guys, The amount of electricity taken by the headlamps is totally insignificant compared to the power to move the car, so I don't think it is a priority with any car maker. They have almost all gone to LED tail lights and turn signals since they don't burn out nearly as often, it at all, and they can claim to be going high tech. Headlamps I have seen a lot of halogen but when a car is coming at me it is damn near blinding even on low beam. There's up and then there's downs to any technology. Lets hope the LED's when they finally make it to headlights can have a better focused beam. Bill Baka The big saving to the Auto Makers is that the new LED Lights can use a smaller Wire and help reduce the Cost and Weight of the Car. {= Improved Fuel Economy} ~ RHF . A few ounces (or grams) of wire won't make much of a difference. There was some talk a few years back of running one power wire around the car and having each light, widget, or doohickey have it's own IP address in the car and have it all controlled by a master computer. Think of what could happen if your car was controlled by a single chip computer and it got a virus or just a bad chunk of code. Thankfully that has not happened, yet. Bill Baka |
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On Jun 12, 10:15*am, Bill Baka wrote:
On 06/11/2010 09:34 AM, wrote: Durn Tootin! Drill em Full of Lead! ~ George ''Gabby'' Hayes. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=290913 And the way B.O.Plenty used to spit in those old Dick Tracy comic books I used to read back in the 1940s. I got an email yesterday from that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyyyy over yonder across the big pond.She said she hasen't heard didly squat from me in quite a while. I reckon I better email her. http://ingeb.org/songs/othentel.html cuhulin Not that I am going to pick a flame war, but aren't you posting in the wrong place unless you keep in contact using a shortwave?? Bill Baka Not Cuhulin. He has been "grand fathered" in, he can say what he wants - On topic or Off. :-) |
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On Jun 12, 6:09*pm, dxAce wrote:
dxAce wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA The mere threat of doing so could actually get AZ in a buttload of trouble with the feds. Along with being illegal (extortion), it's also a threat to national security and an act of terrorism under the Patriot Act. But then, AZ doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks. Threat to national security? Come on. Arizona is merely trying to enhance national security. Something that Boy Barry and his cadre of Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists seem to care little about. Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. One other item: Just how did Boy Barry's Aunt obtain 'asylum' under our nations immigration laws? What 'threat' was she under in Kenya? If she was under some 'threat', then why were Boy Barry's other relatives not airlifted out of Kenya? Why were Boy Barry's Aunt's immigration papers, and the reason for her 'asylum' sealed? dxAce Michigan USA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All fair questions that will have either no answer or made up answers. ;-) |
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On Jun 12, 4:11*pm, Gregg wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:09*pm, dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA The mere threat of doing so could actually get AZ in a buttload of trouble with the feds. Along with being illegal (extortion), it's also a threat to national security and an act of terrorism under the Patriot Act. But then, AZ doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks. Threat to national security? Come on. Arizona is merely trying to enhance national security. Something that Boy Barry and his cadre of Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists seem to care little about. Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. One other item: Just how did Boy Barry's Aunt obtain 'asylum' under our nations immigration laws? What 'threat' was she under in Kenya? If she was under some 'threat', then why were Boy Barry's other relatives not airlifted out of Kenya? Why were Boy Barry's Aunt's immigration papers, and the reason for her 'asylum' sealed? dxAce Michigan USA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All fair questions that will have either no answer or made up answers. ;-) Now the Obama Regime wants to 'seal' the Records of their new Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan What is it that the Obama Regime does not want the American Public {Voters} to know about Elena Kagan ? What is the Obama Regime Hiding from the American Public {Voters} about Elena Kagan ? hey didn't prez obama did promise a 'transparent' administration and presidency -so- what's with all the sealing of government officials records ~ RHF |
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On Jun 12, 10:13*am, dxAce wrote:
dxAce wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob *wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. *Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. *We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. *We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. *You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. *I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. *18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? Hopin' that they might teach the clown 'tards out in CA a lesson, don'tcha know. dxAce Michigan USA As if they had the authority anyway. |
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On Jun 12, 2:48*pm, dxAce wrote:
Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. dxAce Michigan USA You are a master of irony! |
(OT) Why the end of the lightbulb is a dark day for us all
On Jun 12, 4:11*pm, Gregg wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:09*pm, dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: Brenda Ann wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? dxAce Michigan USA The mere threat of doing so could actually get AZ in a buttload of trouble with the feds. Along with being illegal (extortion), it's also a threat to national security and an act of terrorism under the Patriot Act. But then, AZ doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks. Threat to national security? Come on. Arizona is merely trying to enhance national security. Something that Boy Barry and his cadre of Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists seem to care little about. Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. One other item: Just how did Boy Barry's Aunt obtain 'asylum' under our nations immigration laws? What 'threat' was she under in Kenya? If she was under some 'threat', then why were Boy Barry's other relatives not airlifted out of Kenya? Why were Boy Barry's Aunt's immigration papers, and the reason for her 'asylum' sealed? dxAce Michigan USA- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - All fair questions that will have either no answer or made up answers. ;-) Always fun to divert attention from the far larger problems at hand, isn't it? |
(OT) Why the end of the lightbulb is a dark day for us all
On Jun 12, 1:49*pm, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 5:08 am, *wrote: As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. *I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. *18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... As I recall from some hideous PBS in a hotel room, the 100" [?] was too tiny for anything else, according to the guy who built the 200" on Palomar. *I'm way too busy to look it up. Well, that's funny - up here at Lick, the 120" still does amazing science. In fact, amateurs with scopes far smaller contribute immense knowledge every year. I think the interviewee was suffering from aperture envy. |
(OT) Why the end of the lightbulb is a dark day for us all
bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 10:13 am, dxAce wrote: dxAce wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 5:08 am, dave wrote: bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 11, 1:40 pm, Bob wrote: bpnjensen wrote: Metal Halide lamps, especially unshielded, are the pits. Brilliant, sky-obscuring, and hard to overcome with normal amateur filter equipment. I remember MHs as having a discontinuous spectrum with about five distinct resonance points so you would have to combine filtration, unlike the monochromatic LPS lights. They probably have some IR and UV too but I only looked at the visible range in my spectrographic device. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Thanks for this, Bob. We have filters that can filter out more than one wavelength, and we can stack filters up to a point - but none that will cut all five of the spikes, and too many stacked means you also lose precious desirable light. We also have broader band filters designed to cut general LP that would probably address all five, but these filters are also weaker than the stronger line filters. You are right about LPS, it's a snap to filter - which is why it's been encouraged for cities near major observatories, such as Lick, Mt. Wilson (now pretty much useless) and Palomar. Of course, just as in radio an RF quiet area is best, so in astronomy nothing beats a good rural or wilderness *dark* sky. Bruce Jensen California As Wilson is primarily a solar observatory these days, I doubt the gas mixture in the street lamps is very important. I am 18 miles NNW of Wilson at 1,790', and I can see the Milky Way from my back yard. That's why it's primarily a solar observatory - the LP from LA has rendered it useless for dark sky astro. 18 miles can make a big difference...but it takes a REALLY dark sky for the Milky Way to throw shadows... Might it be really dark when Arizona cuts off the juice? Hopin' that they might teach the clown 'tards out in CA a lesson, don'tcha know. As if they had the authority anyway. If they control the switch, they have the authority! If some damn clown 'tard (such as Obangi) says that I, or anyone else, has to sell a product or service to anyone else, then what we have here, today, is finished. dxAce Michigan USA |
(OT) Why the end of the lightbulb is a dark day for us all
bpnjensen wrote: On Jun 12, 2:48 pm, dxAce wrote: Buy Arizona. Support Freedom. dxAce Michigan USA You are a master of irony! And you are nothing more than the typical Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist clown 'tard, boy! |
(OT) Why the end of the lightbulb is a dark day for us all
dave wrote: dxAce wrote: One other item: Just how did Boy Barry's Aunt obtain 'asylum' under our nations immigration laws? What 'threat' was she under in Kenya? If she was under some 'threat', then why were Boy Barry's other relatives not airlifted out of Kenya? Why were Boy Barry's Aunt's immigration papers, and the reason for her 'asylum' sealed? dxAce Michigan USA You are stupid. Really, clown 'tard, how so? This immigration is misdirection. Not immigration, 'tard boy, we're talking 'asylum'. Pull your head out of your Marxist ass. You are being played like a cheap suit. I have no cheap suits, I wear the finest threads, 'tard boy! dxAce Michigan USA |
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