m II wrote:

Up until recently, I thought the same way. Then, Don Lancaster, of
electronics book fame, convinced me otherwise.

http://www.tinaja.com/h2gas01.asp



From the same page, a useful reading:

http://www.tinaja.com/glib/energfun.pdf







mike

On 7/18/2010 2:56 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:
"Bone China Blue" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
gas by your standards than CO2.

And it's tragic how that water vapour just accumulates in the atmosphere
until
we reach several thousand percent relative humidity.


Run the numbers on raising the water vapor and then on raising CO2...

On 7/17/2010 8:24 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
"Beam Me Up Scotty" wrote in
message ...

* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
better answers -not- Batteries of any kind



Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
gas by your standards than CO2.

If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the humidity
which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.


Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
disease.


While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
no more sense than Global Warming its self.


Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas.. but there is one major
difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
of the atmosphere in a regular cycle.

CO2 is filtered by plants.

The residual heat is what you claim as the DANGER.


It's called 'rain'.

How will you remove the heat? Why build cars that create a volatile
temperature?



It also
precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.

My point being that the 30% to 99% rise will more than double the effect
of water vapor in the Desert areas. The Average Humidity will be higher
than in the past. While in a tropical area it may create little
difference, once you move north past Miami Palm Beach you hit a
temperate zone that for 50% of the year has a lower humidity, if you
raise that to 100% humidity for the whole year you have nearly doubled
the greenhouse effect on a regional scale....


In fact in Missouri the Corps of Engineers built lakes, lots and lots of
lakes and all over the Ozarks.... People have said that, that increased
the summer humidity of the area and had some effects. Maybe all the
Hydro Electric power and water reservoirs/crop irrigation are doing
more than co2? Will your EPA make water a hazardous gas and regulate it?


Rain every day at 3:00pm is nothing new in Miami but come December that
ends till March and for those 4 months humidity drops from 90% to
70%.... If it rained everyday for those 4 months it wouldn't be a big
deal other than you are increasing the time that humidity as an average
is higher than the typical 70%.... and with all the SUN in Miami you
have your "Green House heating" on steroids, at least if we follow your
greenhouse mythology.

On 7/17/2010 8:24 PM, Brenda Ann wrote:
"Beam Me Up Scotty" wrote in
message ...

* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the
better answers -not- Batteries of any kind



Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a greenhouse
gas by your standards than CO2.

If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the humidity
which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry parts of the
world to have more water vapor and that is more greenhouse gas.


Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than the
disease.


While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to use
the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm it makes
no more sense than Global Warming its self.


Water vapor is indeed a short term greenhouse gas..

Recurring green house gas..... according to the theory.

but there is one major
difference between water vapor and, say, CO2. Water vapor precipitates out
of the atmosphere in a regular cycle. It's called 'rain'. It also
precipitates out nightly in the form of dew as the humidity reaches 100%.
Water vapor does not STAY in the atmosphere permanently.

On 7/17/2010 6:00 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the better answers -not-
Batteries of any kind

(This statement was written by RHF. Please see below)

On 7/17/2010 2:31 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a
greenhouse gas by your standards than CO2.

If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the
humidity which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry
parts of the world to have more water vapor and that is more
greenhouse gas.


Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than
the disease.


While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to
use the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm
it makes no more sense than Global Warming its self.

Um, Scotty,

The statement you quoted above and that caused you to get your knickers
in a twist was written by *RHF*, NOT Joe from Kokomo.

You might want to pull your head out of your ass and try replying to the
*correct* poster.





No names in my reply so anyone on the planet that agrees with what was
written, can read my statement and the one who wrote it knows who he
is.... Anyone that was offended can either accept that attributes
sometimes get mucked up and just post saying they didn't say it and
accept that it was unintentional.... or they can whine incessantly.


Typos and attributes don't make the truth any less true.

"m II" wrote in message ...
dave wrote:

you'll never get all that on a bumper sticker...


unlike Toyota owners, who paste Acronyms exclusively..

If you're close enough to read this, your accelerator must be stuck, too...

On 07/17/2010 03:00 PM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
* Solar, Hydrogen and even Hydro are the better answers -not-
Batteries of any kind

(This statement was written by RHF. Please see below)

On 7/17/2010 2:31 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Hydrogen.... exhausts water vapor, water vapor is more of a
greenhouse gas by your standards than CO2.

If you drive enough cars through the desert you will raise the
humidity which is the "Water Vapor" that will increase all the dry
parts of the world to have more water vapor and that is more
greenhouse gas.


Your Solution is worse than the problem.... The cure is worse than
the disease.


While you could have made the argument that it would help the USA be
energy self sufficient and that is a good thing, you leftists try to
use the silly *Global Warming myth* as your basis and in that realm
it makes no more sense than Global Warming its self.

Um, Scotty,

The statement you quoted above and that caused you to get your knickers
in a twist was written by *RHF*, NOT Joe from Kokomo.

You might want to pull your head out of your ass and try replying to the
*correct* poster.



Guys, it is all about electricity. That is the one common point around
which everything else depends. It is not rocket science.

Brenda Ann wrote:

unlike Toyota owners, who paste Acronyms exclusively..

If you're close enough to read this, your accelerator must be stuck, too...


That's pretty good. I saw a typical Harley Fag (1) yesterday with the
mandatory black T shirt. In big white lettering on the back, it declared:

"If you can read this, the b*tch fell off"

Nice way to impress people.

For the Toyota experience, I wonder how many of the problems are
occurring in stuff they outsourced. My own experience with Toyota
includes an Echo. It gave me over 240,000 km with no grief whatever.

I traded it in a Ford Ranger, which *IS* giving me grief. The last item
was a failed alternator at 92,000 km. Before that, the tail-gate handle
broke at the pivot point. Turns out the handle is 1/8th inch thick
PLASTIC. Then there are the windows....Warranty repair is next to
impossible to get.


(1) South Park episode reference



mike

On Jul 18, 8:34*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jul 17, 5:22 pm, m *wrote:
dave wrote:
RHF wrote:

- - - Genesis 1:26
- - - Then God said, "Let us make man
- - - in our image, in our likeness
yadda yadda yadda..."

Us? *I thought he was alone when he made Man...

- "Thou shalt have no Gods before Me" tends
- to imply other Entities, besides the Trinity.
-
- mike

Clearly there is is difference between what you
Mike [M II] a mere Hu-Man consider a 'god';
and what "God" as "God" considers a "God"
{His-God-Self}.
* .

- I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam
-
- toot toot

Dave 'you' are simply a "Yam" - otto ~ RHF

On Jul 18, 7:30*pm, m II wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote:
unlike Toyota owners, who paste Acronyms exclusively..

If you're close enough to read this, your accelerator must be stuck, too...

That's pretty good. I saw a typical Harley Fag (1) yesterday with the
mandatory black T shirt. In big white lettering on the back, it declared:

"If you can read this, the b*tch fell off"

Nice way to impress people.

For the Toyota experience, I wonder how many of the problems are
occurring in stuff they outsourced. My own experience with Toyota
includes an Echo. It gave me over 240,000 km with no grief whatever.

I traded it in a Ford Ranger, which *IS* giving me grief. The last item
was a failed alternator at 92,000 km. Before that, the tail-gate handle
broke at the pivot point. Turns out the handle is 1/8th inch thick
PLASTIC. Then there are the windows....Warranty repair is next to
impossible to get.

(1) South Park episode reference

mike

Driving Down the Road of Life in a Car/Truck
Made-up of the Sum of 1,000,000 Parts all
produced by the Lowest Bidder . . .