In article ,
Peter wrote:

Incidentally, for those so-called "birthers" out there ... both
California and Ohio COLBs are facsimiles of the actual original
document, signed by the attending physician, but printed by
photographic means (Ohio) or xerographic means (California) on special
paper which is virtually impossible to counterfeit. Imbedded silk
threads, multi-color printing (intaglio in CA's case) and
micro-printing. The whole nine-yards. Also a raised seal of the state,
over the signature of the official who issued it ... an MD-MPH in CA's
case.

In a very safe place, I keep a certified copy of my birth certificate,
an SSA-issued SSN card, and every passport (including a current one)
ever issued to me. While it has only recently become necessary to carry
a passport for travel to neighboring countries, I found out the hard way
that it was a good idea even decades ago to have the passport along when
crossing borders.

Returning from a diving trip to Cabo some years back, I carried nothing
with me other a simple photocopy of my birth certificate. I was assured
that was all I needed (and in times past didn't even need that for
automobile border crossings) for the air trip to Baja. Upon return, I
was stopped by immigration at the airport of entry back into the US. I
was told that the photocopy wasn't certified (and hence worthless). They
didn't even want to see my CDL.

The most silly round of questioning I have ever experienced ensued. "Who
is favored to go to the 'series'?" How the hell should I know? I'm not a
sports fan. There were all manner of "pop culture" questions. Who cares?
I endured this nonsense for over two hours. Finally, they abruptly said,
"You can go now."

In recent years, I have thought about the possibility that I was being
f*cked with royally. They could have brought up a copy of my passport at
any time with the information I gave them. The picture was unmistakably
me. My spoken English is unaccented and exhibits a good grasp of the
language. I was with a group containing many members who did have
passports. Someone was having a good time at everyone's expense. As a
result, I have zero respect for our immigration authorities.

So even before the regulations demanded it, I made it a practice to go
nowhere near the border of the US without my current passport in hand. I
never wanted to endure that nonsense ever again.

--
John Higdon
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John Higdon wrote:


How do they file returns without SSNs? This sounds bogus.

They make one up. The SSA matches SSNs with names at the end of the year to
determine if the money is flagged for the legitimate SSN holder or goes into
their general fund.


Hmm...the same thing could be said about Global Warming (tm). All we do
is talk about both issues and do absolutely nothing that has any glimmer
of effectiveness.

Actually, the initiatives taken to increase the ozone layer have had a marked
effect on increasing the ozone layer. Remember, the first such activity was
begun in the 1970s when NASA had accumulated a history of photo documentation
from space. That first initiative was banning Freon and other fluorocarbons.
I suspect that the various incremental shifts in regard to global warming will
probably have a similar effect, but we may not see it for a number of years.

But you can't win for losing (or however the phrase goes). Dig this:

"ScienceDaily (Jan. 26, 2010) — The hole in the ozone layer is now steadily
closing, but its repair could actually increase warming in the southern
hemisphere, according to scientists at the University of Leeds. [....]"

There. Doing good is causing bad.

SMS wrote:


Automatic F due to using Wikipedia as a reference.

The entry is referenced. I have no problem using referenced Wikipedia
entries. A study confirmed that Wikipedia is not substantially more error
prone than the Encyclopedia Britannica.

In article ,
(David Kaye) wrote:

They make one up. The SSA matches SSNs with names at the end of the year to
determine if the money is flagged for the legitimate SSN holder or goes into
their general fund.

It is rather difficult to "make up" and SSN. Like credit card numbers,
they have checksums. A bogus SSN will drop a flag the moment it enters
an SSN-savy computer.

Actually, the initiatives taken to increase the ozone layer have had a marked
effect on increasing the ozone layer. Remember, the first such activity was
begun in the 1970s when NASA had accumulated a history of photo documentation
from space. That first initiative was banning Freon and other fluorocarbons.
I suspect that the various incremental shifts in regard to global warming
will
probably have a similar effect, but we may not see it for a number of years.

I'm reminded of when the witch doctors "caused" solar eclipses and then
were worship when they made them go away. At least they put on quite a
show. Now, we're told that there's too little ozone or too much carbon
dioxide (things we cannot even detect or observe on our own as ordinary
schlubbs) and then after we empty our pockets, we are told that all is
right once again. Some things never change, but I think the witch
doctors put on a better show.

"ScienceDaily (Jan. 26, 2010) — The hole in the ozone layer is now steadily
closing, but its repair could actually increase warming in the southern
hemisphere, according to scientists at the University of Leeds. [....]"

There. Doing good is causing bad.

Oh, I'm sure someone in government will figure out a way to get more out
of our pockets.

--
John Higdon
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AT&T-Free At Last

On Aug 11, 7:34*pm, Peter wrote:
On 2010-08-11 17:24:52 -0700, "Brenda Ann"
said:

Also, think about this: even the ones using faked SSN's are paying into
Social Security. Those payments will not go to the person illegally using
that SSN, but to the person who actually owns the SSN. If nobody owns the
SSN, then the payments just go into the general fund to be distributed
later.

The benefits go into a suspense account where the money is immediately
used up anyway.

So, a real or a faked SSN/TIN doesn't matter as the receipts will be
spent on those who have a valid number and who file for benefits.

I am reminded that when I applied for early SS, do to a marked decline
in my investment portfolio income, I was supposedly required to supply
an official copy of my Certificate of Live Birth.

I actually DID obtain such a certificate from the State of Ohio, but
when I called the local SS office to for instructions, the official
said my COLB was NOT required as they had already verified it from
other sources.

Perhaps from my U.S. Passport data?

I HAD to provide a certified copy of my COLB to obtain my first
passport, but not on subsequent passport applications.

- Incidentally, for those so-called "birthers" out there ... both
- California and Ohio COLBs are facsimiles of the actual original
- document, signed by the attending physician, but printed by
- photographic means (Ohio) or xerographic means (California) on
special
- paper which is virtually impossible to counterfeit. Imbedded silk
- threads, multi-color printing (intaglio in CA's case) and
- micro-printing. The whole nine-yards. Also a raised seal of the
state,
- over the signature of the official who issued it ... an MD-MPH in
CA's
- case.

As one of my former Bosses told me :
"Dang RHF you don't think like a Criminal"

1 - 'on special paper which is virtually impossible
to counterfeit. Imbedded silk threads,

Steal a box of the Paper -hit-the- "That Was Easy" Button

2 - multi-color printing (intaglio in CA's case)
and micro-printing.

Buy or 'borrow the Printer -hit-the- "That Was Easy" Button


3 - The whole nine-yards.

Always Go . . . The Extra Yard ! ;;-}}

4 - Also a raised seal of the state, over the
signature of the official who issued it ..

No Problemo Senior -hit-the- "That Was Too Easy" Button

Hello reminds me of the all too real Newspaper Story
from the 1970s about the Chicago INS Office that had
to Raid the Janitorial Contractor for it's own Office.
The Nighttime Janitorial Service for the INS Office
[Federal Building] was made up of many Illegal Aliens
who had access to the open stock of "Green Cards"
and the Equipment used to Print/Issue them in the
Office. -oops-egg-on-face-

an un-documented re-birther ~ RHF

John Higdon wrote:

It is rather difficult to "make up" and SSN. Like credit card numbers,
they have checksums. A bogus SSN will drop a flag the moment it enters
an SSN-savy computer.

It's not a checksum at all, but just a series of rules which are available to
anyone who knows anybody who has done it. Even Wikipedia has posted the rules
for the SSN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number

On Aug 11, 10:30*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
SMS wrote:

Automatic F due to using Wikipedia as a reference.

- The entry is referenced. *I have no problem using referenced
Wikipedia
- entries. *A study confirmed that Wikipedia is not substantially more
error
- prone than the Encyclopedia Britannica.

David Kaye ? Encyclopedia Britannica ?

Citing a British 'Source' to an American is...
is . . . Revolution a r y ~ RHF

John Higdon wrote:

It is rather difficult to "make up" and SSN. Like credit card numbers,
they have checksums. A bogus SSN will drop a flag the moment it enters
an SSN-savy computer.

It's easy. Anybody who knows anybody shady (or geeky) knows how to do it, no
checksums involved, just a few simple rules. In fact, Wikipedia has an entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number

But back before all this hoo-hah, people made up fake SSNs by simply
rearranging the last 4 numbers of a legit SSN.

On Aug 11, 10:26*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
- - John Higdon wrote:
- - How do they file returns without SSNs?
- - This sounds bogus.

- They make one up.
-*The SSA matches SSNs with names at the
- end of the year to determine if the money is
- flagged for the legitimate SSN holder or goes
- into their general fund. *

It can be done at the time you Hire and Employ anyone.

Social Security Number Verification Service (SSNVS)
http://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnvspamphlet.htm
-and- Should be mandatory for all new Hires [.]

Hmm...the same thing could be said about Global Warming (tm). All we do
is talk about both issues and do absolutely nothing that has any glimmer
of effectiveness.

Actually, the initiatives taken to increase the ozone layer have had a marked
effect on increasing the ozone layer. *Remember, the first such activity was
begun in the 1970s when NASA had accumulated a history of photo documentation
from space. *That first initiative was banning Freon and other fluorocarbons.
I suspect that the various incremental shifts in regard to global warming will
probably have a similar effect, but we may not see it for a number of years.

But you can't win for losing (or however the phrase goes). *Dig this:

"ScienceDaily (Jan. 26, 2010) — The hole in the ozone layer is now steadily
closing, but its repair could actually increase warming in the southern
hemisphere, according to scientists at the University of Leeds. [....]"

There. *Doing good is causing bad. *

On Aug 11, 10:39*pm, John Higdon wrote:
In article ,
(David Kaye) wrote:

They make one up. *The SSA matches SSNs with names at the end of the year to
determine if the money is flagged for the legitimate SSN holder or goes into
their general fund. *

- It is rather difficult to "make up" and SSN.
- Like credit card numbers, they have checksums.
- A bogus SSN will drop a flag the moment it enters
- an SSN-savy computer.

It can be done at the time you Hire and Employ anyone.

Social Security Number Verification Service (SSNVS)
http://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnvspamphlet.htm
-and- Should be mandatory for all new Hires [.]


Actually, the initiatives taken to increase the ozone layer have had a marked
effect on increasing the ozone layer. *Remember, the first such activity was
begun in the 1970s when NASA had accumulated a history of photo documentation
from space. *That first initiative was banning Freon and other fluorocarbons.
I suspect that the various incremental shifts in regard to global warming
will
probably have a similar effect, but we may not see it for a number of years.

I'm reminded of when the witch doctors "caused" solar eclipses and then
were worship when they made them go away. At least they put on quite a
show. Now, we're told that there's too little ozone or too much carbon
dioxide (things we cannot even detect or observe on our own as ordinary
schlubbs) and then after we empty our pockets, we are told that all is
right once again. Some things never change, but I think the witch
doctors put on a better show.

"ScienceDaily (Jan. 26, 2010) — The hole in the ozone layer is now steadily
closing, but its repair could actually increase warming in the southern
hemisphere, according to scientists at the University of Leeds. [....]"

There. *Doing good is causing bad. *

Oh, I'm sure someone in government will figure out a way to get more out
of our pockets.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last