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dave August 8th 10 02:47 PM

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David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery

-but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF


Well, you may not count. People over age 50 don't count to most advertisers,
thus most of the KGO listenership is a group few companies want to reach.
That's because people over 50 don't buy much, and those who do tend not to be
swayed much by advertising.

That's just the reality of the ratings game.


Luckily their electricity is free. Us old fogies love us some KGO.


dave August 8th 10 02:49 PM

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David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

Remember, as the radio audience you are not the customer, you are the PRODUCT
being sold to the customer. The customer is the advertiser.


This is why radio sucks.


Well, commercial radio has always been that way, since the beginning of the
medium and the very first ads (KQW in 1909 in San Jose). If you want radio
that caters to you as a listener, I suggest you support your local
non-commercial stations, since to them YOU are the customer, given that they
depend on your dollars.


Actually, I support KPFT in Houston and SOMA FM. I listen to them on
the internet. I have a mobile 3g wireless hotspot and I can listen to
any station anywhere I go. HA!

[email protected] August 8th 10 02:53 PM

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The JT and Dave radio talk show, Super Talk Mississippi.
http://www.supertalkms.com

The original intent was for JT and Dave to fill in an empty spot for a
short while.But, the show caught on real Good and now it is one of THE
most listened to radio talk shows in Mississippi, (all over Mississippi)
including parts of Louisiana and Arkansas and Tennessee and Alabama and
some Boats and Ships in the Gulf of Mexico.
cuhulin


dave August 8th 10 02:59 PM

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David Kaye wrote:
"Brenda wrote:

Reality has changed, the radio industry is not changing with it.


If companies were truly interested in reaching people 50+ then KGO wouldn't
have to struggle to get ads, given that they have by far the largest audience
of people age 50+. KGO doesn't get the national ads, but instead has to go
for the lower-paying local companies such as family trust lawyers, laser eye
surgeons and bankruptcy attorneys.

Orchard Supply and Hardware.



Imagine if 2500 especially picked individuals decided who would
be POTUS?


Uh, you've never heard of the Electoral College?


That's a ****ty analogy.

Richard Evans[_2_] August 8th 10 03:09 PM

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David Kaye wrote:


Remember, as the radio audience you are not the customer, you are the PRODUCT
being sold to the customer. The customer is the advertiser.


I never thought about it that way before, but it does make a lot of sense.

Although perhaps smaller commercial stations, do tend to pay more
attention to the listeners than larger broadcasters. Or at least that's
the impression I get here comparing the big commercial stations in
London to the small one that I normally listen to (Radio Jackie).

This may be because the smaller stations have a harder time building up
listener numbers, to then sell to the advertisers. Or then again, it
might be partly to do with the fact that the small stations I usually
listen to was once a pirate station. This was back in the days when I
used to listen to a lot of pirate stations, and they mostly didn't carry
advertising. They tended to be set up by people wanting to provide radio
that wasn't available elsewhere. Basically a lot more listener centric
than the commercial stations. I think perhaps some of these basic aims
have been carried over, now that they have managed to become a legal
station.

Richard E.

[email protected] August 8th 10 03:16 PM

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The first radio program in Mississippi got kicked off the air because
that woman used some foul language.

(Emma come first)
cuhulin


[email protected] August 8th 10 03:17 PM

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Never forget,,,
The Customer Is Always Right.
cuhulin


J G Miller August 8th 10 03:18 PM

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On Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:34:14 +0000, David Kaye wrote:

Remember, as the radio audience you are not the customer, you are the
PRODUCT being sold to the customer. The customer is the advertiser.


Exactly -- the product is the audience not the program content.

This is why David Eduardo has a successful career in radio and you do
not.


Make that "commercial radio".

J G Miller August 8th 10 03:24 PM

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On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:54:19 +0000, David Kaye wrote:

KKUP could take a page from KQED-FM. KQED, as you'll remember, had a
classical music format. They ditched it in favor of the news &
information format years ago and rose to become the #1 (highest share)
non-comm broadcaster in the nation.


There is also a similar story in Michigan.

WUOM-FM which was renowned for its classical music format did
exactly the same and switched to a news and talk format on
July 1st, 1996 with complete phase out of classical music by
July 2000, and the listening audience grew from 15 million
to 27 million.

But with all of the talk radio stations available on AM,
should not public radio be offering something different?

John Higdon[_2_] August 8th 10 05:37 PM

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In article ,
Eric Weaver wrote:

Well do I remember the Great Controversy at KFJC in which net-streaming
was denounced vociferously because programmers would "start pandering to
the net audience."


The controversy at KKUP is exactly the obvious. The troops have been
vociferous in their demands to resume streaming at KKUP. The management
has been reticent because of cost and work involved.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

Richard Evans[_2_] August 8th 10 05:50 PM

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J G Miller wrote:
On Sunday, August 8th, 2010 at 15:29:13h +0100, Richard Evans wrote:
True, in theory.


No, true in fact. David Eduardo has a successful career in commercial radio.

Actually I wasn't talking about Mr Eduardo, but I can understand the
confusion. It was a comment about radio in general.


However, I'm not sure if this exactly works with the BBC, who often seem
more interested in their own agenda, rather than in doing what is best
for the listeners.


BBC listeners have long been conditioned into accepting whatever
the BBC does is best for them.

Obvious examples of such people spring to mind ;)

I'm happy with most of what the BBC do, but with radio being the big
exception, over processed, and reluctance to provide good digital sound
quality.

Don't know about community stations. They should in theory be a lot more
listener centric than the normal commercial stations.


It will all depend from where they receive their funding. If it is
a listened supported station then they will have to be receptive to
their listeners or they will not get any money to continue. If it
is a block grant from a government agency, then they can probably
ignore listeners completely so long as they can justify they next
grant application.

I don't really know if this works in practice as I don't have much
experience of community stations.


You could try listening to some for about 5 minutes -- you may feel
yourself unable to listen for any longer than that for some of them
in England.


I've only listened to one, and that was only because a friend has a show
on that station. I did send a message to the station once, on Facebook,
saying I found their 96k mp3 internet stream too low quality, and
suggested that if they can't afford a higher bit rate they might
consider an aac+ stream. I never got any response to my message, however
some how their 96k mp3 sounds better than it used to. Not sure if they
did something about it, or whether I simply got used to it. It does now
sound better than I'd expect, although not hi-fi quality.


As for the big commercial stations, the regulator ought to keep them in
line


If their is a regulator and if the regulator has policies and power
to do that.

Ofcom seems to have allowed allowed most of the commercial stations


OfCon is a light touch regulator whose purpose is to maximize
revenues from the exploitation of the electro-magnetic spectrum,
not a body to promote the interests of the listener and quality
programming.

And if Jeremy Hunt keeps his promise, OfCon will become just a
technical regulator and all policy decisions will be made as
an afterthought by free market enforcers at the DCMS.


No wonder radio listening is dyeing out :-(

Eric Weaver August 8th 10 05:50 PM

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On 08/08/2010 09:37 AM, John Higdon wrote:
In ,
Eric wrote:

Well do I remember the Great Controversy at KFJC in which net-streaming
was denounced vociferously because programmers would "start pandering to
the net audience."


The controversy at KKUP is exactly the obvious.


Uh.... you mean opposite?

The troops have been
vociferous in their demands to resume streaming at KKUP. The management
has been reticent because of cost and work involved.


Usual thing in those cases is take the loudest kvetcher and put him in
charge of it. Then ride his ass to get it done. It either gets done or
the person shuts up pretty quickly.

The thing about (especially non-comm play-music) radio is it's
relatively easy to single-hand. Thus it attracts a bunch of "auteurs"
who are in it exclusively for their own airtime and don't give much of a
hoot for the station as a whole. Just asking one of them to turn the
monitors down because I was recording somebody and he walls were
paper-thin resulted in a great huffiness.


John Higdon[_2_] August 8th 10 06:12 PM

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In article ,
J G Miller wrote:

On Sunday, August 8th, 2010 at 15:29:13h +0100, Richard Evans wrote:

True, in theory.


No, true in fact. David Eduardo has a successful career in commercial radio.


It should be noted that there are many people who have had "a successful
career" in commercial radio and who materially disagree with David
Eduardo.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

John Higdon[_2_] August 8th 10 06:16 PM

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In article ,
(David Kaye) wrote:

KKUP could take a page from KQED-FM. KQED, as you'll remember, had a
classical music format. They ditched it in favor of the news & information
format years ago and rose to become the #1 (highest share) non-comm
broadcaster in the nation. And in local ratings they're #3 after all-news
KCBS and "lite rock" KOIT.


News and information formats are among the most expensive to provide in
broadcasting. Unlike KQED, KKUP does not have access to unlimited funds.
Besides, what would all the old hippies who play wind chimes and whale
farts do?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

John Higdon[_2_] August 8th 10 06:25 PM

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In article ,
(David Kaye) wrote:

Sure, there are occasional problems, such as when Higdon's KUIC wound up as
the #1overnight station. But generally the ratings are fairly accurate,
accurate enough that companies are willing to spend money on advertising.
For the second time let me say that if they weren't satisfied with what the
ratings mean the ratings would have gone away a long time ago.


There is no use asking if the air is any good if that's all there is to
breathe. The fact is that from inside the industry, the grumbling over
the sample size (and hence the granularity and accuracy) of the ratings
sucks. I hear this from within CC, CBS, the independents, and even KUIC
had a gigantic laugh over their own fleeting "good fortune" (which is
one reason KUIC and many other stations use the ratings as an internal
guide and not as a sales tool).

Arbitron remains in business because there is no competition, and the
major broadcasters are too lazy to do anything else.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

John Higdon[_2_] August 8th 10 06:26 PM

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In article
,
RHF wrote:

Maybe in this here Recession the Radio Advertisers
should re-think their Prime Demographics and try
and Target those still with Money in this Multi-Year
[Great Obama] Recession (2009~2016).


You must be joking. Thinking out of the box is not practiced in
corporate radio.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

John Higdon[_2_] August 8th 10 06:31 PM

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In article ,
Eric Weaver wrote:

Usual thing in those cases is take the loudest kvetcher and put him in
charge of it. Then ride his ass to get it done. It either gets done or
the person shuts up pretty quickly.


That was our ultimate solution. The noise has all but vanished
completely.

The thing about (especially non-comm play-music) radio is it's
relatively easy to single-hand. Thus it attracts a bunch of "auteurs"
who are in it exclusively for their own airtime and don't give much of a
hoot for the station as a whole. Just asking one of them to turn the
monitors down because I was recording somebody and he walls were
paper-thin resulted in a great huffiness.


Well, I have to say that when we moved, we solved that problem
creatively: we built sound-proof studios. Highly resistant, anyway.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

[email protected] August 8th 10 06:53 PM

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BBC airs those BBC tee vee programs whether enough people watch them, or
not.
cuhulin


DAB sounds worse than FM[_2_] August 8th 10 07:32 PM

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DigitalRadioScams wrote:

"The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location,
where there are no dropouts anyway."



That doesn't make sense, because HD Radio is more likely to drop out indoors
than outdoors because the signal strength is a lot lower indoors than it is
outdoors due to building penetration loss, and OFDM copes with mobile
reception relatively well.

Looks like the digital radio industry in the US is as clueless about digital
radio technologies as the grossly incompetent UK DAB industry.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

The BBC's "justification" of digital radio switchover is based on lies



Richard Evans[_2_] August 8th 10 08:36 PM

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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:


and OFDM copes with mobile
reception relatively well.

Presumably that's true if it is used with time interleaving.
Can we assume that HD radio would use time interleaving?


Looks like the digital radio industry in the US is as clueless about digital
radio technologies as the grossly incompetent UK DAB industry.


200 Khz bandwidth, to get a bit rate of 96k, that's even worse than
Eureka 147.

[email protected] August 8th 10 09:26 PM

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On Aug 7, 7:13*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
RHF wrote:
Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery


-but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF


Well, you may not count. *People over age 50 don't count to most advertisers,
thus most of the KGO listenership is a group few companies want to reach. *
That's because people over 50 don't buy much, and those who do tend not to be
swayed much by advertising. *

That's just the reality of the ratings game.


I believe you have it half right. People over 50 spend plenty of
money, but their purchasing habits are well established. You can't
make them change brands. So the theory is you indoctrinate the
younguns and they will buy your crap for life. Apple is a prime
example. The young liked the ipod, so they think Apple makes good
phones too.

RHF August 8th 10 11:09 PM

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On Aug 8, 4:29*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"David Kaye" wrote in message

...

"Brenda Ann" wrote:


- - Uh, you've never heard of the Electoral College?

- The electoral college still goes by the will
- of the people at large (though there is nothing
- forcing them to legally). *More or less, at least.

Actually the Electoral College can be thought of as
Balancing The Will of the People Along with States
Rights : To 'Blend' and 'Balance' the Will of the
Majority and the Rights of the Minority. ~ RHF©

RHF August 8th 10 11:10 PM

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On Aug 8, 6:59*am, dave wrote:
David Kaye wrote:
"Brenda *wrote:


Reality has changed, the radio industry is not changing with it.


If companies were truly interested in reaching people 50+ then KGO wouldn't
have to struggle to get ads, given that they have by far the largest audience
of people age 50+. *KGO doesn't get the national ads, but instead has to go
for the lower-paying local companies such as family trust lawyers, laser eye
surgeons and bankruptcy attorneys.


Orchard Supply and Hardware.



Imagine if 2500 especially picked individuals decided who would
be POTUS?


Uh, you've never heard of the Electoral College?


- That's a ****ty analogy.

Ah Dave 'you' are such an Analog too ;-} ~ RHF

RHF August 8th 10 11:18 PM

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On Aug 8, 1:26*pm, "
wrote:
On Aug 7, 7:13*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:

RHF wrote:
Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery


-but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF


Well, you may not count. *People over age 50 don't count to most advertisers,
thus most of the KGO listenership is a group few companies want to reach. *
That's because people over 50 don't buy much, and those who do tend not to be
swayed much by advertising. *


That's just the reality of the ratings game.


- I believe you have it half right. People over 50 spend plenty of
- money, but their purchasing habits are well established. You can't
- make them change brands. So the theory is you indoctrinate the
- younguns and they will buy your crap for life. Apple is a prime
- example. The young liked the ipod, so they think Apple makes good
- phones too.

Advertising & Marketing & Brand Loyalty :
Happy Meals = Develop Customer Brand Loyalty
at an early age; and continue to build on it until
they are hooked for life {around Age 50} ~ RHF

[email protected] August 9th 10 12:10 AM

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I haven't asked her, but I think that married Irish woman wayyyyyyyy
over yonder across the big pond in Bognor Regis,England has HD radio.
Rediffusion.Wired Radio.That woman on my hotel room radio in Hong Kong
said Rediffusion.
cuhulin


David Kaye August 9th 10 06:00 AM

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RHF wrote:

In this here long term Recession where many of
those prime younger Radio Listeners have lost
their Jobs and Cash Money Flow : Just about
100% of those "Don't Count" Senors 50+ Still Got
Jobs and Retirement Checks with a steady Flow
of Cash Money to Spend.


Around these parts anyway, the recession is not hitting the younger folks as
much as you might imagine. The bars and restaurants in SF are filled
many/most nights with people under age 50 who obviously have money to spend at
Rasoj, Luna Park, Delfina's, Foreign Cinema, Aqua, Bix, Chez Papa, etc. The
Valencia corridor is so packed that some lots are charging a minimum of $20
at night just for parking.

But there's also the matter of becoming immune to advertising. A large number
of older people know enough not to be taken in by advertising, or they simply
don't care to change brands. Most people over 50 have no desire to wear the
coolest clothes or phone or eyeglass frames, so advertizing to them is
fruitless.


David Kaye August 9th 10 06:04 AM

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John Higdon wrote:

Thinking out of the box is not practiced in
corporate radio.


My great mentor in this was Bill Adler of KWUN, a daytime-only station with a
signal so bad and a profile so low that people who lived across the street
from the station didn't even know it existed.

Yet, without ratings he was able to sell the guts out of the station,
including the nightly signoff. "Though KWUN's day is ending, the night is
just beginning at John Jawad's Pioneer Inn in Clayton..."

I agree with you 100% that corporate radio does not teach people to think
outside the box. On the other hand, unless they're in a situation like KGO,
they don't need to. They can just skim the cream off the top and leave the
creative marketing and selling to the stations that need to invest in doing it
that way.

It takes a certain kind of personallity to sell a station with no ratings, and
those sellers can be hard to come by because they sell based on relationships,
and often they are quite happy to stay where they are, working their
relationships.


David Kaye August 9th 10 06:09 AM

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J G Miller wrote:

This is why David Eduardo has a successful career in radio and you do
not.


Make that "commercial radio".


Yes, I meant to say commercial radio, though given his broad range of
experience I'd suspect that he'd do just as well as a programming maven in
non-comm radio as well.


David Kaye August 9th 10 06:12 AM

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Richard Evans wrote:

However, I'm not sure if this exactly works with the BBC, who often seem
more interested in their own agenda, rather than in doing what is best
for the listeners.


But wasn't it listenership falling away and listening to the pirates that
caused the BBC to add extra networks to appeal to the people they were losing?


Don't know about community stations. They should in theory be a lot more
listener centric than the normal commercial stations. I don't really
know if this works in practice as I don't have much experience of
community stations.


In the U.S., the non-comms are not perfect by any means. There are still
fiefdoms and the People In Power (and in the case of the Pacifica stations,
the endless breast-beating and ill-informed decisions), but given all that I'd
say that non-comms would be more likely to pay more attention to the audience
because that's directly where their money is coming from.

The ultimate in catering to the listener would have to be XM & Sirius, which
are wholly listener-supported (on their non-commercial channels anyway).



David Kaye August 9th 10 06:19 AM

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J G Miller wrote:

You could try listening to some for about 5 minutes -- you may feel
yourself unable to listen for any longer than that for some of them
in England.


There are, of course, broad ranges of non-comm stations in the U.S. Many
cater to very specific slices of audience.

Here in the Bay Area, KPFA caters to political activists (or people who think
they are political activists). KCSM-FM caters to jazz listeners. KPOO is
into mostly blues and affairs affecting black people.

KUSF is a training ground for new student DJs and musically caters to them,
plus there are blocks of programming catering to Catholicism (KUSF is owned by
USF, a Catholic university).

KQED-FM appeals to news/info hounds, carrying nearly all the NPR and PRI news
and talk programming available. KALW, an equal member of NPR carries a lot of
the rest, along with BBC, CBC, and other news/info programming.

KCEA caters to people who prefer to listen to big bands music of the 1930s and
40s. KVHS, also owned by a high school, reaches out toward teens.

KFJC, KSJS, KSMC, and KZSU do the same thing for college-age audiences.


David Kaye August 9th 10 06:26 AM

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J G Miller wrote:

But with all of the talk radio stations available on AM,
should not public radio be offering something different?


I'd normally agree, except that I've heard the state of commercial talkradio
in America and it's sad. It's made up of uninformed callers pontificating
just to hear themselves speak.

And the topics seem to be mostly politics, and worse, the party-bashing subset
of that. And when you get outside the major cities, if you hear any local
talkradio at all it's likely to be some local psychic or a "swap shop" show.

Agree or disagree, but the talk offered by the major non-comm networks, NPR,
PRI, APM, PRX, MPR, and Pacifica is for the most part top quality.


RHF August 9th 10 06:42 AM

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On Aug 8, 10:04*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
John Higdon wrote:
Thinking out of the box is not practiced in
corporate radio.


My great mentor in this was Bill Adler of KWUN, a daytime-only station with a
signal so bad and a profile so low that people who lived across the street
from the station didn't even know it existed. *

Yet, without ratings he was able to sell the guts out of the station,
including the nightly signoff.

-*"Though KWUN's day is ending, the night is
- just beginning at John Jawad's Pioneer Inn in Clayton..."

http://www.bayarearadio.org/history/timeline_kwun.shtml


I agree with you 100% that corporate radio does not teach people to think
outside the box. *On the other hand, unless they're in a situation like KGO,
they don't need to. *They can just skim the cream off the top and leave the
creative marketing and selling to the stations that need to invest in doing it
that way. *

It takes a certain kind of personallity to sell a station with no ratings, and
those sellers can be hard to come by because they sell based on relationships,
and often they are quite happy to stay where they are, working their
relationships. *



David Kaye August 9th 10 06:46 AM

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John Higdon wrote:

News and information formats are among the most expensive to provide in
broadcasting. Unlike KQED, KKUP does not have access to unlimited funds.


Neither does KALW. I've mentioned here in the past that just the interest on
the mortgage for KQED's Mariposa Street studios -- just the annual interest --
is enough to pay the entire staff salaries of KALW management, engineer, and
board ops.

KALW wisely tapped into high school and college intern programs and various
associations with commercial news organizations to build its news staff.
Aside from that, the local pubaffairs programming was/is all volunteers.


Besides, what would all the old hippies who play wind chimes and whale
farts do?


KALW makes time for them on Sunday nights with "Hearts of Space". They may be
the only station still carrying that program.


David Kaye August 9th 10 06:55 AM

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John Higdon wrote:

There is no use asking if the air is any good if that's all there is to
breathe. The fact is that from inside the industry, the grumbling over
the sample size (and hence the granularity and accuracy) of the ratings
sucks.


Arbitron used diaries. Nielsen does surveys. Pulse and Hooper I believe
relied mainly on telephone calls. Well, Pulse and Hooper are out of business,
probably because advertisers found them lacking.

But Arbitron and Nielsen are still around. And responding to demand, Arb
introduced the PPM to replace diaries. What's amazing is how little this
dramatic change in sampling methodology has changed the standings of stations.

About the only major complaint is that "minority stations" that used to get
credit when people listed them in diaries are apparently hurting. It seems
that people didn't *really* listen to those stations nearly as much as they
listen to the more mainstream stations.


Arbitron remains in business because there is no competition, and the
major broadcasters are too lazy to do anything else.


I'm not so sure about that. Stations have music focus groups which they
either conduct themselves or via an outside agency. Surely they could
contract with some agency to do polling for them if they felt they'd get
anything substantially better than what they get right now.


RHF August 9th 10 07:01 AM

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On Aug 8, 7:24*am, J G Miller wrote:
On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:54:19 +0000, David Kaye wrote:

- KKUP could take a page from KQED-FM.
-*KQED, as you'll remember, had a classical
- music format. *They ditched it in favor of the
- news & information format years ago and rose
- to become the #1 (highest share) non-comm
- broadcaster in the nation.

Now KQED-FM "HD" Radio could run an HD-2
Channel and bring back Classical Music.

+ KQED-FM has a 110KW Signal on top of
http://www.kqed.org/
Mount San Bruno gives it a Signal that can be
heard all the way up here in Twain Harte, CA
[125 Miles] 24&7 ~ RHF

RHF August 9th 10 07:20 AM

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On Aug 8, 10:26*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
J G Miller wrote:

But with all of the talk radio stations available on AM,
should not public radio be offering something different?


- I'd normally agree, except that I've heard the state
- of commercial talkradio in America and it's sad.
-*It's made up of uninformed callers pontificating
- just to hear themselves speak. *

Most people do like to hear themselves talk and
many/most others like to hear 'other' who talk
and sound like them {parroting} and giving a voice
to their views {self-affirmation}.

The Top 10 & 20 . . . 100 Talk Radio Hosts are
real "Liked" by the cast majority of their Radio
Listeners; and a significant proportion of their
Radio Listeners 'hate' them so much that they
too tune-in everyday : Both Count in the Ratings.

- And the topics seem to be mostly politics,
- and worse, the party-bashing subset of that.

Politics, Sex Religion and Sports

Talk-Radio = Political-Speak Radio

Religious Radio is Most Christian Owned Radio Broadcasters

The New and Hotter Sports Talk 24&7 Radio
with Talk Teams and Games On-the-Air

-*And when you get outside the major cities,
- if you hear any local talkradio at all it's likely
- to be some local psychic or a "swap shop" show.

Local Radio with Local Advertisers in each and
every US Congress District Serving the Needs of
the Voters.

- Agree or disagree, but the talk offered by the major
- non-comm networks, NPR, PRI, APM, PRX, MPR,
- and Pacifica is for the most part top quality.

? Top Quality ? -nah- Slanted and Biased YES !
1st a Liberal Voice to the Topics and Programs
2nd a Moderate Voice that for the most part says 'me too'
3rd lacking a True Conservative Voice to give Voice
to a real opposition viewpoint {Point & Counter-Point}

~ RHF

RHF August 9th 10 07:34 AM

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On Aug 8, 10:19*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
J G Miller wrote:

You could try listening to some for about 5 minutes -- you may feel
yourself unable to listen for any longer than that for some of them
in England.


There are, of course, broad ranges of non-comm stations in the U.S. *Many
cater to very specific slices of audience. *

Here in the Bay Area, KPFA caters to political activists (or people who think
they are political activists). *KCSM-FM caters to jazz listeners. *KPOO is
into mostly blues and affairs affecting black people. *

KUSF is a training ground for new student DJs and musically caters to them,
plus there are blocks of programming catering to Catholicism (KUSF is owned by
USF, a Catholic university).

KQED-FM appeals to news/info hounds, carrying nearly all the NPR and PRI news
and talk programming available. *KALW, an equal member of NPR carries a lot of
the rest, along with BBC, CBC, and other news/info programming.

KCEA caters to people who prefer to listen to big bands music of the 1930s and
40s. *KVHS, also owned by a high school, reaches out toward teens. *

KFJC, KSJS, KSMC, and KZSU do the same thing for college-age audiences. *


The one thing that KQED-FM does great is to
carry the Audio of the PBS-TV 'News Hour" on
the FM Radio at 3PM M~F Listen at Work, or in
the Car, and even at Home with No TV needed.

IMHO the fastest way to get FM HD-Radio accepted
is to find a Local TV Station that will do an Audio
Simulcast of their Programming on the HD2 Channel
and market the Audio Simulcast on TV.
-why- Since TV went Digital the old Analog AM/FM/TV
Radios no longer provide TV Audio. FM HD-Radio HD2
Channels can provide TV Audio to an already existing
at Work and can Listen {but can't watch} and in the
Car and can Listen {but can't watch} TV {radio} Listeners.

~ RHF

J G Miller August 9th 10 04:38 PM

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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 05:26:37 +0000, David Kaye wrote:

I'd normally agree, except that I've heard the state of commercial
talkradio in America and it's sad. It's made up of uninformed callers
pontificating just to hear themselves speak.


That is no different from most countries though. Ever had the sad
experience of listening to TalkSport in the UKofGB&NI?

And quite a number of the commercial talkradio presenters in the USofA
and other countries merely pontificate whilst still being uninformed
about the matter on which they are talking.

Agree or disagree, but the talk offered by the major non-comm networks,
NPR, PRI, APM, PRX, MPR, and Pacifica is for the most part top quality.


It is certainly of better quality because the presenters research the
topic which they are presenting, and often it is of a technical nature
eg Science Fridays.

Incidentally, the talk show "The Tavis Smiley Show" did not last
very long on NPR ...

J G Miller August 9th 10 04:41 PM

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On Monday, August 9th, 2010 at 05:12:38h +0000, David Kaye asked:

But wasn't it listenership falling away and listening to the pirates
that caused the BBC to add extra networks to appeal to the people they
were losing?


Are you referring to the pirates of the 1960s and the introduction
of BBC Radio 1, or to more recent events?

J G Miller August 9th 10 04:44 PM

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On Monday, August 9th, 2010 at 05:19:59h +0000, David Kaye wrote:

There are, of course, broad ranges of non-comm stations in the U.S.
Many cater to very specific slices of audience.

Here in the Bay Area


Remember thought that the Bay Area is very well served by non-commercial
stations and that the availability is rather different in other, smaller
markets. Often the only non-commercial is an NPR station and maybe one
from a neighboring market, plus perhaps a religious station.


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