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HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
From Radio-Info:
July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...481#msg1497481 No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On 8/6/10 12:52 , DigitalRadioScams wrote:
From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...481#msg1497481 No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! This is only ONE area where he contradicted himself. The others are legion. |
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On Aug 6, 2:02*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 8/6/10 12:52 , DigitalRadioScams wrote: *From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms.... No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! * *This is only ONE area where he contradicted himself. * *The others are legion. If you notice Eduardo being consistent about something, please notify us of that. If you tell us every time he is inconsistent about something, well....let's just say you're going to be eating up a lot of bandwidth. |
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On 8/6/10 14:39 , Steve wrote:
On Aug 6, 2:02 pm, "D. Peter wrote: On 8/6/10 12:52 , DigitalRadioScams wrote: From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms... No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! This is only ONE area where he contradicted himself. The others are legion. If you notice Eduardo being consistent about something, please notify us of that. If you tell us every time he is inconsistent about something, well....let's just say you're going to be eating up a lot of bandwidth. LOL!...yeah, it is kind of a state of being, isn't it. |
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DigitalRadioScams wrote:
No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. |
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John Higdon wrote:
At least you're willing to give HIM credit for knowing anything about which they do for a living. How many others have made the cut? I don't recall EVER challenging you on anything within your area of expertise, which is radio engineering, and if I have I'll happily apologize for stepping over the line there. You've posted about signals, RPUs, antennas, transmitters, and all that and I don't think you've heard a peep out of me about it. I do challenge your concepts about programming, sales, management, and other matters. Remember, you're the one who said that the stations *you* worked for didn't test their songs, but instead did seat-of-the-pants programming. For the record, I've sold and bought radio and TV time, have done some programming (about 6 months, but even so...) and have done some station bookkeeping, leading me to see the numbers for themselves. I've also worked on-air, and managed dozens of employees in two businesses (telephone call center and food and beverage), so I think I have perhaps more expertise in those areas than you do. And while I have some engineering chops, I defer to you in those issues. |
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RHF wrote:
- He's a pretty consistant pompous, dismissive ass... (1) And what national VP position do you hold with a broadcaster? (2) How many radio stations have you put on the air? (3) How many languages do you speak? (4) How many ratings battles have you won? While David Eduardo doesn't need any defending by me, I can't resist the opportunity to rag on you yokels who haven't done a damned thing in the business and yet pontificate on subjects you know nothing about. |
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"DigitalRadioScams" wrote in message ... From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...481#msg1497481 No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! I must be one of the odd ones in SoCal as I rarely listen to radio while at home or work but never drive with the radio off. With me it's start car and turn on the radio (if I turned it off, which I rarely do). So I probably do 99.44% of my listening in the car. |
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On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote: From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms.... - No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! - A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio - simply doesn't work - LMFAO! HEY - Mobile IBOC [HD] Radio does work Great .. . . as long as you stay parked in the Driveway. Actually HD Radio Receivers have the same disadvantages and Advantages as the good old Analog AM/FM Radios. * Most of the Home Radios are poorly designed and cheaply built and lack real RF performance. * While most of the Auto Radios are better designed and better built and have good RF performance wrt those intended for the Home. * Plus the Auto Radios are 'matched' to an Antenna system that works very well in the mobile environment that the Radio exists in. IBOC is a Two [Dual] Signal System Analog and Digital -if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is still there. -if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is weak and/or hash Digital is not the issue -cause- you are in a signal dead zone or beyond the stations signal. HOME - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Digital over Analog 'sense' point set at a higher level; because they are in a fixed location; with Digtal being the preferred mode. AUTO - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Analog over Digital 'sense' point set at a lower level; because they are in a mobile location; with Analog being the preferred mode. Actually having a Preferred 'Mode' Switch built into the IBOC [HD] Radio makes sense especially for Auto Radios. Call the Preferred 'Mode' Switch what you will : * Local [HD] / Distant AM/FM * HD / Normal For most Audio Consumers at Home : Music is the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening Enjoyment. For most Audio Consumers in Autos : Music is again the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening Enjoyment. Note KSL & KCBS* both 'simulcast' on FM now. * News Weather and Traffic for People On The Go ! As IBOC [HD] Radio increases it's Digital Signal Output from 1% up to 10%? the Drop-Outs will lessen and the number of HD Audio Consumers will expand greatly at least for the FM Radio Band; where the majority of Audio Consumers are. And once again IBOC [HD] Radio is very much like good old Analog Radio It's FREE* to the Consumer. * and the majority of the people like 'Free'; grew-up on/with 'Free'; and think 'Free' is really good. Last things that I read from the FCC {US GOV} and NPR {CPB+US GOV} both were Positive about IBOC [HD] Radio; at least for the FM Radio Band where NPR with the Thousands of Public Non-Commercial FM Radio Stations; together are looking to expand both their Content and Services via IBOC using HD-1 and HD-2 Channels on the FM HD-Radio. NOTE - I recently bought an InsigniaŽ FM HD-Radio 'portable' Player Model NS-HD01 as a waking around Pocket FM Radio. Even up here in Twain Harte, CA {The Land of the Blinking Blue Light -aka- Drop-Outs} it preforms well and gives good reception and quality sound from Central Valley FM HD-Radio Stations that are 45~75 Air Miles away. The Future of FM Radio is IBOC -and- The Future of IBOC is FM Radio -while- AM/MW Radio is simply a non-player ~ RHF |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
"David Kaye" wrote in message ... RHF wrote: - He's a pretty consistant pompous, dismissive ass... (1) And what national VP position do you hold with a broadcaster? (2) How many radio stations have you put on the air? (3) How many languages do you speak? (4) How many ratings battles have you won? While David Eduardo doesn't need any defending by me, I can't resist the opportunity to rag on you yokels who haven't done a damned thing in the business and yet pontificate on subjects you know nothing about. While I may not have some of the expertise he claims to have, I am an engineer, and have worked for many years in radio. I speak two languages and working on a third, not that that matters to the converasation. That being said, I need no radio expertise at all to know a pompous, dismissive, ass when I see one. He cares about ratings, which are made of whole cloth and based upon a model that is non-sequitur in the real world. We've all seen what the true meaning of polls is during the past four election cycles. There's just no way you can legitimately, despite what some would have you believe, base the opinions of 1,000,000 people on the dubious reporting of a few hundred or so. The industry, and he in particular, choose to dismiss the opinions, tastes, and needs of a significant segment of the population (and getting MORE significant over the next 20 years or so) with the totally inapt reasoning that they "don't contribute significantly to sales figures" and "are not swayed to try new products", both of which are patently and demonstrably untrue, if you actually LISTEN to your public rather than to allow yourself to be lead around like an animal at a petting zoo. FWIW, I have a good friend that has known David for many years, and who agrees 100% with my opinions of him. This person has never owned any stations, nor won any major awards, either. But he has been in radio for over 40 years in various positions. |
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On 6 Aug, 17:36, (David Kaye) wrote:
DigitalRadioScams wrote: No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. *Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. |
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On 6 Aug, 18:25, "Drewdove" wrote:
"DigitalRadioScams" wrote in message ... From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms... No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! I must be one of the odd ones in SoCal as I rarely listen to radio while at home or work but never drive with the radio off. With me it's start car and turn on the radio (if I turned it off, which I rarely do). So I probably do 99.44% of my listening in the car.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who in Hell comes home and turns on their radio? Maybe, sit at their computers and listen to Internet Radio. Yup, what a bitch, Eduardo, most people listen while in the car to/from work, and those few enjoy their nifty HD Radio dropouts and cludgy tuners - LOL! |
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On 6 Aug, 18:57, RHF wrote:
On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams wrote: From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms.... - No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! - A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio - simply doesn't work - LMFAO! HEY - Mobile IBOC [HD] Radio does work Great . . . as long as you stay parked in the Driveway. Actually HD Radio Receivers have the same disadvantages and Advantages as the good old Analog AM/FM Radios. * Most of the Home Radios are poorly designed and cheaply built and lack real RF performance. * While most of the Auto Radios are better designed and better built and have good RF performance wrt those intended for the Home. * Plus the Auto Radios are 'matched' to an Antenna system that works very well in the mobile environment that the Radio exists in. IBOC is a Two [Dual] Signal System Analog and Digital -if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is still there. -if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is weak and/or hash Digital is not the issue -cause- you are in a signal dead zone or beyond the stations signal. HOME - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Digital over Analog 'sense' point set at a higher level; because they are in a fixed location; with Digtal being the preferred mode. AUTO - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Analog over Digital 'sense' point set at a lower level; because they are in a mobile location; with Analog being the preferred mode. Actually having a Preferred 'Mode' Switch built into the IBOC [HD] Radio makes sense especially for Auto Radios. *Call the Preferred 'Mode' Switch what you will : * Local [HD] / Distant AM/FM * HD / Normal For most Audio Consumers at Home : Music is the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening Enjoyment. For most Audio Consumers in Autos : Music is again the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening Enjoyment. Note KSL & KCBS* both 'simulcast' on FM now. * News Weather and Traffic for People On The Go ! As IBOC [HD] Radio increases it's Digital Signal Output from 1% up to 10%? the Drop-Outs will lessen and the number of HD Audio Consumers will expand greatly at least for the FM Radio Band; where the majority of Audio Consumers are. And once again IBOC [HD] Radio is very much like good old Analog Radio It's FREE* to the Consumer. * and the majority of the people like 'Free'; grew-up on/with 'Free'; and think 'Free' is really good. Last things that I read from the FCC {US GOV} and NPR {CPB+US GOV} both were Positive about IBOC [HD] Radio; at least for the FM Radio Band where NPR with the Thousands of Public Non-Commercial FM Radio Stations; together are looking to expand both their Content and Services via IBOC using HD-1 and HD-2 Channels on the FM HD-Radio. NOTE - I recently bought an InsigniaŽ FM HD-Radio 'portable' Player Model NS-HD01 as a waking around Pocket FM Radio. *Even up here in Twain Harte, CA {The Land of the Blinking Blue Light -aka- Drop-Outs} it preforms well and gives good reception and quality sound from Central Valley FM HD-Radio Stations that are 45~75 Air Miles away. The Future of FM Radio is IBOC -and- The Future of IBOC is FM Radio -while- AM/MW Radio is simply a non-player ~ RHF *. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I heard that those lucky few that bought the Insignia portables, that as soon as they start walking their HDs drop out - LOL! BTW - Sangewan cancelled their new portable HD Radio - yea! |
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On Aug 6, 8:27*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote: On 6 Aug, 17:36, (David Kaye) wrote: DigitalRadioScams wrote: No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. *Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. This hits the nail on the head. No one accused Eduardo of being stupid, but he has his own agenda and he will distort the truth accordingly. He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi Information Minister under Saddam. Remember him? |
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On 6 Aug, 20:36, Steve wrote:
On Aug 6, 8:27*pm, DigitalRadioScams wrote: On 6 Aug, 17:36, (David Kaye) wrote: DigitalRadioScams wrote: No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. *Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. This hits the nail on the head. No one accused Eduardo of being stupid, but he has his own agenda and he will distort the truth accordingly. He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi Information Minister under Saddam. Remember him? He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi Information Minister under Saddam. Remember him? Oh, yea - I remember how entertaining he was - LOL! |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote:
While I may not have some of the expertise he claims to have, [....] It's not a matter of "claims." He's known in the industry and he has a website detailing all his accomplishments over the years, complete with photos and other documents. He cares about ratings, which are made of whole cloth and based upon a model that is non-sequitur in the real world. Huh? Without ratings it's very hard to make income. Sure, it's possible to sell time on stations with no ratings, but it's extremely difficult. Stations such as KEST and KPIG(AM) do it, but they have a tough go of it. KPIG(AM) is advertising for salespeople every couple months because it's so hard to keep salespeople who can't make any money selling time. Regardless of whether you think the ratings system is flawed or not, the PPMs and the diaries of Arbitron are fairly close for the most part, and the differences between Neilsen and Arbitron ratings aren't much different, either. Thus, I'd be inclined to think the ratings systems aren't as flawed as people contend they are. We've all seen what the true meaning of polls is during the past four election cycles. There's just no way you can legitimately, despite what some would have you believe, base the opinions of 1,000,000 people on the dubious reporting of a few hundred or so. None of this matters in radio and TV ratings. The ratings come in and the stations sell based on those ratings. The advertisers buy based on the assumption that they are correct. If they're so far off as to be bogus, the advertisers would have left long ago and the ratings systems would have been thrown out. Companies do not spend money capriciously, especially they're trying to bring in business. |
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DigitalRadioScams wrote:
Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. I haven't followed his opinions on IBOC. When I see IBOC my eyes glaze over. Until recently I had the term "IBOC" killfiled, so if this were 2 weeks ago I wouldn't have seen your post at all. Being that he is a company executive if he's in favor of IBOC he could be boosting it as a matter of following company policy. That's what executives must do sometimes in order to keep their jobs. Sure, if that's the case we can call him a shill or say that he's a liar, but if you had such a position with a major broadcaster I doubt you'd act any differently. I once wrote ad copy saying that Cadillac was an "economy car". Why? I wanted to keep my job. |
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Steve wrote:
This hits the nail on the head. No one accused Eduardo of being stupid, but he has his own agenda and he will distort the truth accordingly. He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi Information Minister under Saddam. Remember him? Okay, let's say your company spent oddles of dollars on a failed technology. You've had success and your company likes you, but then you also realize that you're age 61, in a job that normally goes to people 20 to 30 years younger than you. If you lose this job you'll likely stay in radio, given your track record, but not in a position paying as well or with as much prestige as what you have right now. Do you tow the company line or do you speak out and jeopardize your job? For those who have a knee-jerk reaction of "tell the truth", all I can say is that you've never had to face such a question or you wouldn't be so quick on the draw. |
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On Aug 6, 8:54*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
Steve wrote: This hits the nail on the head. No one accused Eduardo of being stupid, but he has his own agenda and he will distort the truth accordingly. He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi Information Minister under Saddam. Remember him? Okay, let's say your company spent oddles of dollars on a failed technology. You've had success and your company likes you, but then you also realize that you're age 61, in a job that normally goes to people 20 to 30 years younger than you. *If you lose this job you'll likely stay in radio, given your track record, but not in a position paying as well or with as much prestige as what you have right now. * Do you tow the company line or do you speak out and jeopardize your job? *For those who have a knee-jerk reaction of "tell the truth", all I can say is that you've never had to face such a question or you wouldn't be so quick on the draw. * I'm not saying that Eduardo is the devil because he's a sellout. I'm merely asserting what many others have also observed: that, for whatever reason, Eduardo is a sellout. I bear him no ill will. I just call 'em like I see 'em. |
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On Aug 6, 5:45*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote: While I may not have some of the expertise he claims to have, [....] It's not a matter of "claims." *He's known in the industry and he has a website detailing all his accomplishments over the years, complete with photos and other documents. * He cares about ratings, which are made of whole cloth and based upon a model that is non-sequitur in the real world. Huh? *Without ratings it's very hard to make income. *Sure, it's possible to sell time on stations with no ratings, but it's extremely difficult. *Stations such as KEST and KPIG(AM) do it, but they have a tough go of it. *KPIG(AM) is advertising for salespeople every couple months because it's so hard to keep salespeople who can't make any money selling time. * Regardless of whether you think the ratings system is flawed or not, the PPMs and the diaries of Arbitron are fairly close for the most part, and the differences between Neilsen and Arbitron ratings aren't much different, either. *Thus, I'd be inclined to think the ratings systems aren't as flawed as people contend they are. * We've all seen what the true meaning of polls is during the past four election cycles. There's just no way you can legitimately, despite what some would have you believe, base the opinions of 1,000,000 people on the dubious reporting of a few hundred or so. None of this matters in radio and TV ratings. *The ratings come in and the stations sell based on those ratings. *The advertisers buy based on the assumption that they are correct. *If they're so far off as to be bogus, the advertisers would have left long ago and the ratings systems would have been thrown out. *Companies do not spend money capriciously, especially they're trying to bring in business. * I agree Eduardo is pretty sharp, but let me try to explain Brenda's point, or perhaps put my spin on it. There are two ways to market a product. One is to do research, focus groups, etc. This produces a product that the market probably wants to some degree, but also a product for which the market is familiar. Now the way to make a killing is to come up with a product that the customer doesn't know he needs. You understand the product, not the market per se because the market isn't built yet. Basically if you focus on surveys, you can only provide something that the customer already knows about. You probably won't screw up, but you won't make a killing either. Eduardo has no passion for radio. He surveys the market and tries to adjust stations to meet what his survey indicates is marketable. |
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On Aug 6, 5:27*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote: On 6 Aug, 17:36, (David Kaye) wrote: DigitalRadioScams wrote: No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. *Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. Eduardo doesn't shill. Rather, he has bet his reputation on that crappy technology. Eduardo can plug HD all day on usenet and it won't make a hill of beans in the sales numbers, so he is not shilling. Of course, it is pretty obvious he is spreading propaganda. |
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On Aug 6, 3:09*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
- - RHF wrote: - - - He's a pretty consistant pompous, dismissive ass... First - "David Kaye" don't cut and trim a the Prior Posts and Attack the Wrong Poster : |
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Steve wrote: On Aug 6, 8:27 pm, DigitalRadioScams wrote: On 6 Aug, 17:36, (David Kaye) wrote: DigitalRadioScams wrote: No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. This hits the nail on the head. No one accused Eduardo of being stupid, but he has his own agenda and he will distort the truth accordingly. He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi Information Minister under Saddam. Remember him? 'Baghdad Bob', the guy who said there were no Americans in the city, while one could clearly see their vehicles in the background? |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On Aug 6, 5:36*pm, Steve wrote:
On Aug 6, 8:27*pm, DigitalRadioScams wrote: On 6 Aug, 17:36, (David Kaye) wrote: DigitalRadioScams wrote: No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! Given that David works with these numbers for a living as the national programming director of a nationwide station operator, I'd say that he probably has a reason to say the things he does about ratings. *Perhaps it's a misunderstanding somewhere. Given that Eduardo is a huge IBOC-shill and liar, who twists numbers in support of this huge HD debacle. And. given that Univision is an investor in iNiquity. This hits the nail on the head. No one accused Eduardo of being stupid, but he has his own agenda and he will distort the truth accordingly. d'Eduardo understands the Univision Corporation's Agenda to use IBOC and HD1 and HD2 Channels to Double the Number of Spanish Language FM Radio Stations in the USA. * Double the FM Station HD Channels * Double the Listener Choices * Double the Revenue Streams It's About Business [.] - He's a bit like Univision's own version of the Iraqi - Information Minister under Saddam. - Remember him? We are Winning the War : Soon the Enemy will run out of Iraqi Soldiers to Shoot and Kill ! |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On 8/7/10 1:13 PM, RHF wrote:
d'Eduardo understands the Univision Corporation's Agenda to use IBOC and HD1 and HD2 Channels to Double the Number of Spanish Language FM Radio Stations in the USA. * Double the FM Station HD Channels * Double the Listener Choices * Double the Revenue Streams No. The same audience will be split up amongst more channels. All sounding like AM radio. It's About Business [.] A bad one. gr, hwh |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On Aug 6, 5:32*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote: On 6 Aug, 18:25, "Drewdove" wrote: "DigitalRadioScams" wrote in message .... From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms.... No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio simply doesn't work - LMFAO! I must be one of the odd ones in SoCal as I rarely listen to radio while at home or work but never drive with the radio off. With me it's start car and turn on the radio (if I turned it off, which I rarely do). So I probably do 99.44% of my listening in the car.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - - Who in Hell comes home and turns on their radio? * I do turn on the 'local' AM Radio Station to Listen to the Local News that the Big City TV and Radio Stations don't cover. Local Noon News on the Radio followed by the Regional/State/National News on the TV out of SAC-Town. - Maybe, sit at their computers and listen to Internet Radio. Dang I got a real AM/FM/Shortwave Radio with some real outside Antennas next to my PC and listen to Radio ~80% of the time. {like right now} - Yup, what a bitch, Eduardo, So you must be his sister . . . - most people listen while in the car to/from work, - and those few enjoy their nifty HD Radio dropouts - and cludgy tuners - LOL! Yeah - I get in the Car/Truck and Start-it-up and there it is : The Radio Sounding Away : Cause It Is Always On when the Car is On. radio just listen ~ RHF |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On Aug 6, 5:34*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote: On 6 Aug, 18:57, RHF wrote: On Aug 6, 10:52*am, DigitalRadioScams wrote: From Radio-Info: July 2005 "There are two ways of looking at this. 43% of LA listening time is at home, 33% in car, 23% at work and 3% elsewhere. 72% listen at some time in each week at home, 85% in the car, 26% at work and 14% elswhere. The difference is that in car listening is for shorter periods than in home or at work, but more people do it. 45% of LA listeners cume radio at night." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind...e;topic=5997.0 Then, today: "The average listener does 70% of their listening in a fixed location, where there are no dropouts anyway." http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1497481#ms... - No dropouts at home, Eduardo? LMFAO! - A tactic admission that mobile HD Radio - simply doesn't work - LMFAO! HEY - Mobile IBOC [HD] Radio does work Great . . . as long as you stay parked in the Driveway. Actually HD Radio Receivers have the same disadvantages and Advantages as the good old Analog AM/FM Radios. * Most of the Home Radios are poorly designed and cheaply built and lack real RF performance. * While most of the Auto Radios are better designed and better built and have good RF performance wrt those intended for the Home. * Plus the Auto Radios are 'matched' to an Antenna system that works very well in the mobile environment that the Radio exists in. IBOC is a Two [Dual] Signal System Analog and Digital -if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is still there. -if- the Digital Drops-Out the Analog is weak and/or hash Digital is not the issue -cause- you are in a signal dead zone or beyond the stations signal. HOME - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Digital over Analog 'sense' point set at a higher level; because they are in a fixed location; with Digtal being the preferred mode. AUTO - IBOC [HD] Radios can have their Analog over Digital 'sense' point set at a lower level; because they are in a mobile location; with Analog being the preferred mode. Actually having a Preferred 'Mode' Switch built into the IBOC [HD] Radio makes sense especially for Auto Radios. *Call the Preferred 'Mode' Switch what you will : * Local [HD] / Distant AM/FM * HD / Normal For most Audio Consumers at Home : Music is the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening Enjoyment. For most Audio Consumers in Autos : Music is again the preferred Content and they listen to FM Stereo; and Digital "HD" Radio expands their Music Listening Enjoyment. Note KSL & KCBS* both 'simulcast' on FM now. * News Weather and Traffic for People On The Go ! As IBOC [HD] Radio increases it's Digital Signal Output from 1% up to 10%? the Drop-Outs will lessen and the number of HD Audio Consumers will expand greatly at least for the FM Radio Band; where the majority of Audio Consumers are. And once again IBOC [HD] Radio is very much like good old Analog Radio It's FREE* to the Consumer. * and the majority of the people like 'Free'; grew-up on/with 'Free'; and think 'Free' is really good. Last things that I read from the FCC {US GOV} and NPR {CPB+US GOV} both were Positive about IBOC [HD] Radio; at least for the FM Radio Band where NPR with the Thousands of Public Non-Commercial FM Radio Stations; together are looking to expand both their Content and Services via IBOC using HD-1 and HD-2 Channels on the FM HD-Radio. NOTE - I recently bought an InsigniaŽ FM HD-Radio 'portable' Player Model NS-HD01 as a waking around Pocket FM Radio. *Even up here in Twain Harte, CA {The Land of the Blinking Blue Light -aka- Drop-Outs} it preforms well and gives good reception and quality sound from Central Valley FM HD-Radio Stations that are 45~75 Air Miles away. The Future of FM Radio is IBOC -and- The Future of IBOC is FM Radio -while- AM/MW Radio is simply a non-player ~ RHF *. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - - I heard that those lucky few that bought the Insignia portables, that - as soon as they start walking their HDs drop out - LOL! *BTW - - Sangewan cancelled their new portable HD Radio - yea! Walk all around the Yard [4-Acres] and haven't noticed any FM HD-Radio Drop-outs except for near the Solar Panels. radio be it analog or digital - just listen ~ RHF |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On Aug 7, 4:21*am, hwh wrote:
On 8/7/10 1:13 PM, RHF wrote: d'Eduardo understands the Univision Corporation's Agenda to use IBOC and HD1 and HD2 Channels to Double the Number of Spanish Language FM Radio Stations in the USA. * Double the FM Station HD Channels * Double the Listener Choices * Double the Revenue Streams No. The same audience will be split up amongst more channels. All sounding like AM radio. It's About Business [.] A bad one. gr, hwh You see a finite and limited market that can not expand. d'Eduardo & Univision see a current finite and presently limited market that can be expanded with more FM Station HD Channels and More Diverse Station Programming {Different Audience Profiles*} between the Channels. * Different Audience Profiles = Different Advertisers and More Revenue Streams. In 5~10 Years we should know who's future vision was better here in 2010 ~ RHF |
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RHF wrote:
D'Eduardo's usual come back {reply} is Numbers that's time and time again; and after awhile the replies all sound like : Let Them Eat Numbers ! -a-la- Marie Antoinette Commercial radio is always about numbers, specifically numbers of DESIRABLE listeners. Desirable listeners are usually men and women ages 25 to 49 because they are known to spend the most money across the most kinds of products and services. Remember, as the radio audience you are not the customer, you are the PRODUCT being sold to the customer. The customer is the advertiser. This is why David Eduardo has a successful career in radio and you do not. |
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On Aug 7, 3:34*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
RHF wrote: D'Eduardo's usual come back {reply} is Numbers that's time and time again; and after awhile the replies all sound like : Let Them Eat Numbers ! -a-la- Marie Antoinette Commercial radio is always about numbers, specifically numbers of DESIRABLE listeners. *Desirable listeners are usually men and women ages 25 to 49 because they are known to spend the most money across the most kinds of products and services. * Remember, as the radio audience you are not the customer, you are the PRODUCT being sold to the customer. *The customer is the advertiser. *This is why David Eduardo has a successful career in radio and you do not. Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery -but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF |
HD Radio: Eduardo contradicts himself - LMFAO!
On Aug 7, 7:13*pm, (David Kaye) wrote:
- - RHF wrote: - - Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery - - - - -but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF - Well, you may not count. *People over age 50 don't count to most advertisers, - thus most of the KGO listenership is a group few companies want to reach. * - That's because people over 50 don't buy much, and those who do tend not to be - swayed much by advertising. * - - That's just the reality of the ratings game. - = ( { [ Reality Ain't No Game ] } ) = - David Kaye you parrot these lines very well : ? Are You D'Eduardo Trained ? ;;-}} ~ RHF -ps- a former KGO-AM 810 kHz Radio Listener; http://www.kgoam810.com/ when 'Blue' was the Color of Late Night Radio and 'Ira Blue' can still be heard... out there . . . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Blue All you have to do is just Listen . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK_ShoOL2ao |
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On Aug 7, 7:20*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "David Kaye" wrote in message ... RHF wrote: Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery -but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF Well, you may not count. *People over age 50 don't count to most advertisers, thus most of the KGO listenership is a group few companies want to reach. That's because people over 50 don't buy much, and those who do tend not to be swayed much by advertising. That's just the reality of the ratings game. Reality has changed, the radio industry is not changing with it. The people with the most disposable income are all over 50 (boomers), and, at least until this recent downturn, which has affected ALL sales, they spent quite a lot of it. I myself am always buying new tech, and I still try new fast foods when they come out, ad inf.. Boomers are a huge market that is being largely ignored. We buy new cars, hot new toys like the iPad and iPhone, big screen TV's, all kinds of big ticket items that we denied ourselves earlier in our lives because we had families to raise and mortgages to pay. Ratings are bogus. I, and most people, really don't care to have my decisions on what to listen to or watch or whatever decided by a small sample pool. Imagine if 2500 especially picked individuals decided who would be POTUS? The Boomers are the last 'vast' Age Group with real Disposable Income and much of it goes to the Kids and Grandkids. Radio Adz should be telling those Target 14~42 Year Olds to Tell Grandpa and Grandma : You want a . . . Buy Me a . . . -cause- Without Cash/Checks from the Old Croakers the follow-on generations don't Got It to Spend. old-croakers-r-us {i} ~ RHF |
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In article ,
"D. Peter Maus" wrote: That may be less true than you think. Even non-comms are about the money. And the bulk of funding for most non-comms is corporate underwriting. Which is still about the numbers game. Non-comms fewer listeners see reduced funding. If any at all from some underwriters. As a director at KKUP (been on the board for ten years), I have to say that one of the most frustrating things about that station is that what you say is NOT true. The programming on that station reflects nothing but the whims and vision of the volunteers doing the shows. The station has no underwriting, all grants come with absolutely no strings attached, and listener subscriptions make up the rest. The station is Arbitron-encoded (at my strenuous insistence), but no one pays even the slightest attention to what is going on with the numbers. In my opinion, we could shed some of our hand-to-mouth existence if we would just so much as pay lip service to what the listeners seem to want to hear (and jettison our aversion to underwriting). Radio in the US is always, and has been always, about the money. I which someone would tell that to KKUP so we could get some! -- John Higdon +1 408 ANdrews 6-4400 AT&T-Free At Last |
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On 8/8/10 03:50 , David Kaye wrote:
"D. Peter wrote: That may be less true than you think. Even non-comms are about the money. And the bulk of funding for most non-comms is corporate underwriting. Actually, Matt Elmore from KQED has said differently. He says that the bulk of KQED's money comes from donations. I know, having volunteered and worked at KALW (the other NPR station in SF) that over 80% of KALW's income comes directly from listener contributions. While my own experience is just the opposite. From Chicago to Iowa to Louisiana, the non-comms I've worked with have all been more corporately funded than not. |
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In article , David Kaye
scribeth thus RHF wrote: Yes - I have been Packaged and am Ready for Delivery -but- according to D'Eduardo : I Don't Count ~ RHF Well, you may not count. People over age 50 don't count to most advertisers, thus most of the KGO listenership is a group few companies want to reach. That's because people over 50 don't buy much, and those who do tend not to be swayed much by advertising. Odd that the 20 plus in the UK at least cannot afford to buy their own places, too expensive, so they live with Mum and Dad at sod all rent so disposable income .. and the 50 something's house paid for, perhaps children living at home but now at the stage where the do have the disposable till they hit 65 then that changes a bit;!... That's just the reality of the ratings game. Course all the above range aren't going the want to listen to the same station/s.. -- Tony Sayer |
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"David Kaye" wrote in message ... "Brenda Ann" wrote: Uh, you've never heard of the Electoral College? The electoral college still goes by the will of the people at large (though there is nothing forcing them to legally). More or less, at least. |
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tony sayer wrote:
Odd that the 20 plus in the UK at least cannot afford to buy their own places, too expensive, so they live with Mum and Dad at sod all rent so disposable income .. and the 50 something's house paid for, perhaps children living at home but now at the stage where the do have the disposable till they hit 65 then that changes a bit;!... Yes, it does seem a bit strange, but then when I'm in a club and keep seeing teens and 20s using fancy expensive looking mobile phones. Then I compare that to my phone, one of the cheapest available at the time, as I'm just not interested in fancy phones. (OK I'm some way off being 50, but then the part about house paid for and disposable income does apply to me). So there does seem to be some truth in this. Also the not being swayed by advertising does apply to me to a certain extent. Recently ordered a new camera, and took no notice of any advertising. Just went straight to Amazon and typed in Nikon, as I believe then to be the best make, plus my previous camera was a Nikon and was a gooden. I also have quite a nice IPod, but in that case advertising was pretty much irrelevant. At the time I looked around to see what was available, and could only find one model with enough storage for my music collection (an IPod Classic). Think I'll be avoiding Apple in future though, the ample storage is the only thing I like about it. Apart from that, I think they have compromised ease of use, in favour of styling. And as for trying to force you to install ITunes, just so that you can load *YOUR* music onto *YOUR* IPod, Grrrr... that seems a bit out of order. I was very pleased when I worked out that I could remove ITunes and use Media Monkey instead. (with my previous mp3 player, I could simply plug it into a USB and copy music to it, so much easier that way). That's just the reality of the ratings game. Course all the above range aren't going the want to listen to the same station/s.. Apparently this is why the Saga stations did so badly. Targeting the 50+s doesn't attract much advertising. Richard E. |
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