America's Marxist
 

On Aug 18, 8:08*am, dave wrote:
- - RHF wrote:
- - Dave for some/many it is just a 'feeling' that
- - America was better back then in the 1950s,
- - 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and even up to the 1990s.

- You can't fix the future by disrespecting it.

Dave - You can't fix the Future by disrespecting the Past.

- The '80s sucked. The '60s sucked.
- The '70s was probably the high water
- mark for this country.

Dave - I am sorry to hear that for so many decades
that your Life "Sucked" . . . while mine has been
a Wonderful Life decade after decade hear in the
Good Old USA - pal ~ RHF

America's Marxist
 

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 04:53:47 -0700 (PDT), RHF
wrote:

On Aug 18, 5:34*am, dave wrote:
* The United States of only 25 years ago cannot be

reconstructed.

- Why would you want to?
-*Savings and Loan collapse?
-*Iran Contra?
-*Crack epidemic?
- New Coke?
- Things always look greener on the other side of the fence.

Dave for some/many it is just a 'feeling' that
America was better back then in the 1950s,
1960s, 1970s, 1980s and even up to the 1990s.

WACO !
9/11 Attacks !
Islam-O-Fascism !
War on Terrorism !
Narco-Terrorism !
Economic Collapse of 2008~2016
TARP !
Obama-Care !

dave - not a "fact" just a 'feeling' . . .
and to some 'feelings' are facts ~ RHF
.
If you are looking for a perfect America where such scandals and
improprieties won't exist then you'll be waiting for the end of time
because it will never happen. The one thing that we did not have in
those decades past was a population that believed they were simply
entitled to anything and everything and government was going to take
away from one group in order to give to another.


Until the citizens literally take back their country from the ****ing
government you will see no change for the better.
When Watergate happened everyone from the citizenry up through all
ranks of government were ****ed and demanding action.
If Watergate were to occur today (or another Waco or Iran Contra etc)
porbably no one other than politicians would give a **** and only then
because they could use such events to their own benefit.
A large portion of the population today only care about one thing,
"I'm gonna get mine".
That was not the case 25 or 30 years back.
Politicians have always been predominately crooked to one degree or
another. But nowadays the people have become nearly as corrupt in
their thinking as the politicians.

As I stated here around 2 years ago, the people will elect the
government they deserve. And they have.
We have become a much more divided nation than we have been in decades
and we now have a government that reflects it.
Instead of the people being the bosses of the government the
government now tells us what to think and how to feel.

You gave examples of a lot of bad things that occured throughout the
last 30 or so years but it should also be noted that in that same time
period, as a people, we were better human beings than we are today.
Then we tried to look out for our neighbors and it was common to see
folks talking to each other over their fences and their children
playing up and down the streets of their neighborhoods.
50 years ago people, whether successful at it or not, at least tried
to live a "Leave It To Beaver" lifestyle. We would stop and help a
stranded stranger on the side of the road and typically neither party
had any reason to be fearful of the other. We had no problem throwing
a few bucks into the salvation army bucket or at some other charity
near the holidays.
Nowadays we are generally afraid to even drive down the street without
being safely locked in our cars, we are afraid to let our kids play
together outside after school and we look at our neighbors that may
have a little more than us with disdain. And instead of trying to
live the American dream we now lazily say that "it's impossible to
live a perfect life so **** it, may as well be an asshole."

Indeed, we might possibly be much better off today if the people
themselves had the same morals and outlooks on life that they had 30
or more years ago. If we did then maybe we would not be so quick to
tolerate the type of bull**** that we've had to put up with for the
last 25 years.

(OT) : America's Marxist : More Democrat Inconvenient Truths
 

On Aug 18, 7:35*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:08:59 -0500, First Post

wrote:
If you are looking for a perfect America where such scandals and
improprieties won't exist then you'll be waiting for the end of time
because it will never happen. *

- Then why do conservatives make claims they
- are without fault and stand for "principles"
- which they break consistently?

No One of any political stripe is With-Out-Fault.

So it is better to have no 'principles'; guiding rules
and values; moral compass;
And instead just do what you want to do -cause-
then you have broken none of your on 'principles'
-cause- you have none.



Until the citizens literally take back their country from the ****ing
government you will see no change for the better.

- For what reason?

A Government {Country/Nation} :
Of the People -not- the Political Elite
By the People -not- the Political Elite
For the People -not- the Political Elite

As I stated here around 2 years ago, the people will elect the
government they deserve.

- And the finest example of the worst you
- can get was Reagan and Bush.
- Utter failures, domestically and internationally.

Prez Obama is doing a real good job of setting
a new bench mark of uber-failure on many fronts.

You gave examples of a lot of bad things that occured throughout the
last 30 or so years but it should also be noted that in that same time
period, as a people, we were better human beings than we are today.

- Unfortunately, that bull**** too

Good - Now you are talking about something
that you have some expertise in . . .

- There is more hunger today than 30 years ago

And "Who" has been the US Prez-A-Duntz for the
last Year and a Half -hint- Prez Obama [D].

And "Who" has controlled both House of the US
Congress since 2007 -hint- Pelosi [D] and Reid [D].

- There is more segregation, more racial hatred and
- more attacks on the constitution by religious and
- tin-hatted morons

Keep Preaching that 'classic' 1950s Democrat Party
of the USA Racial Hatred; Class Warfare and Attacks
on Persons of Faith.

?Q? Aren't Persons of Faith Americans the equal of
every US Citizen with the Full Rights of each US Citizen
including the Right, Duty and Responsibility to Fully
Participate in the American Political Process: Vote,
Join a Party, Run for Elected Office, and Hold Elected
Office in the USA ?

- There is more hypocrisy from the right who say
- one thing, and do the opposite---from tax cuts,
- to patriotism.

So it is better to have NO Values and thus never
have to be called a 'hypocrite'.

- Two Republican presidents outright committed perjury and lied
- repeatedly to congress, to the courts and to the American people---

Bill Clinton 'is' {was} a US Prez-A-Duntz too . . .

LBJ 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident'ed us into the Vietnam War

Some even claim that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor
to happen to get us into WWII.

.. . . More Democrat Inconvenient Truths . . .

- Conservatives have been in the forefront of subverting the
- constitution and rule of law since the late 60's---from Nixon,
- to Reagan and then Bush.

JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama would
not want to be left-out on the list of evil doers.

-*Utter lying, perjuring sonsabitched all three.

Good - Now you are talking about something
that you have some personal expertise in . . .

- And all you can whine about is.......
- much ado about nothing---ignoring
- YOUR president's lies and stupidity.

OK now we can see that your are clearly
Talking About : Prez Obama

Nowadays we are generally afraid to even drive down the street without
being safely locked in our cars,

- Then hire more cops.

More Cops Ain't The Answer -where-as-
An Informed and Armed Citizenry Is : Along With
Laws That Insure US Citizens Have the Right To :
Protect Themselves; Their Families and The Homes
{Property} from Criminals committing Crimes.

- Stop supporting those who claim "less government"
- is good for you.

Fewer Cops, Firemen and Teachers ain't the "Less
Government" that the Voters {US Citizens} are Asking
for but they are the First Things that the Crooked
Evil Politicians Cut to Stick-It-To the People.

Indeed, we might possibly be much better off today if the people
themselves had the same morals and outlooks on life that they had 30
or more years ago.

- ****, what a dip****

Again - Now you are talking about something
that you have some personal expertise in . . .

- You mean like McCarthy?
-
- Or Nixon?
-
- Or Reagan (perjury, obstruction, subverting government)?
-
- And the litany of immoral, illegal, greedy, hypocritical *******s of
- conservatism from the DixieCrats becoming republicans because they
- hated the Civil Rights act---to the outright smears you conducted
- against CLinton because he kicked your ass day in, day out.

Bill Clinton 'is' {was} a US Prez-A-Duntz too . . .
* Protege of & Sponsored by J. William Fulbright

LBJ 'Gulf of Tonkin Incident'ed us into the Vietnam War
-wrt- Senator Albert Gore, Sr.

Some even claim that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor
to happen to get us into WWII.
* FDR kept the US Military segregated in WWII
after Prez Wilson had re-segregated it in WWI.

.. . . More Democrat Inconvenient Truths . . .

- You're the poster child of rightwing ignorance and stupidity

Good - Now you are talking about something that
you have some left-wing personal expertise in . . .

back at you with
.. . . More Democrat Inconvenient Truths . . . ~ RHF

(OT) : America's Marxist / More Democrat Inconvenient Truths
 

RHF wrote:
[...]
Some even claim that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor
to happen to get us into WWII.


There's a lot of evidence that he did. And there's a shortwave
connection to the story, too. See

http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2008/10/east-wind-rain/


* FDR kept the US Military segregated in WWII
after Prez Wilson had re-segregated it in WWI.
[...]


And to think that there are some so foolishly partisan that they
claim that no Democrat ever did anything good!

Partisanship clouds the mind and atrophies the heart.

Actually, Woodrow Wilson said some very sensible things about race.
To a group of Black leaders, he said:

"Segregation is not humiliating but a benefit, and ought to be so
regarded by you gentlemen." -- Woodrow Wilson, 1913

Of the terrible days of the so-called Reconstruction period, Wilson
wrote:

"It was a menace to society itself that the negroes should thus of a
sudden be set free and left without tutelage or restraint.... The
country filled with vagrants, looking for pleasure and gratuitous
fortune. Idleness bred want, as always, and the vagrants turned
thieves or inopportune beggars. The tasks of ordinary labor stood
untouched; the idlers grew insolent, dangerous; nights went
anxiously by, for fear of riot and incendiary fire. It was
imperatively necessary that something should be done.... The
southern legislatures, therefore, promptly undertook remedies of
their own - such remedies as English legislators had been familiar
with time out of mind." -- Woodrow Wilson in _The New York Age_,
July 11, 1912

On the issue of non-White immigration, Wilson stated:

"I stand for the national policy of exclusion. The whole question is
one of assimilation of diverse races. We cannot make an homogeneous
population of a people who do not blend with the Caucasian race....
Oriental coolieism will give us another race problem to solve, and
surely we have had our lesson." -- Woodrow Wilson, 1912

And, just in case some foolish partisans think I am giving all the
glory to Wilson, it's also important to remember that Wilson's
Republican contemporary, Theodore Roosevelt, was also sane when it
came to most racial matters:

"Nineteenth-century democracy needs no more complete vindication for
its existence than the fact that it has kept for the white race the
best portions of the new world's surface -- temperate America and
Australia. Had these regions been under aristocratic governments,
Chinese immigration would have been encouraged precisely as the
slave trade is encouraged of necessity by any slave-holding
oligarchy, and the result would in a few generations have been even
more fatal to the white race; but the democracy, with the clear
instinct of race selfishness, saw the race foe, and kept out the
dangerous alien." -- _Memorial Edition of the Works of Theodore
Roosevelt_, XIV, 245


Esse quam videre,



Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

(OT) : America's Marxist / More Democrat Inconvenient Truths
 

I have an old Reader's Digest book here which has a bunch of articles
pertaining to World War Two.One of the articles is about how U.S.Navy
''rehearsed'' the attack on Pearl Harbor a few years before the Japs
attacked Pearl Harbor.There were some Japs who saw how U.S.Navy did
that.

Paul Gallo is on vacation this week.Chris McDonald (Certified Public
Account) is hosting the Paul Gallo radio talk show.Right now, Chris is
talking to Dr.David Kizer (spelling, Kiezer?) about Iraq and Afghanistan
and the murder of J.F.Kennedy.
cuhulin

America's Marxist
 

On 18-Aug-2010, dave wrote:

The United States of only 25 years ago cannot be
reconstructed.

Why would you want to? Savings and Loan collapse? Iran Contra? Crack
epidemic? New Coke?

Crack and stupid consumer offerings are irrelevant. The other 2 items you
mention were irrelevant to the big, and economic, picture. 25 years ago,
but even then diminishing, the U.S. was a major auto, steel, tools, dies,
machinery, consumer goods producer. That's history. The name of the forum
has economics as the 3rd word. That's why it's on topic. If you like crime,
cultural pollution, unconstitutional government, Mexican and Islamic
invasions and wages at early 70's rates, you should be happy!


Things always look greener on the other side of the fence.

I AM on the other side of the fence; you side looks like a carcass.

America's Marxist
 

On 18-Aug-2010, First Post wrote:

Economic Collapse of 2008~2016
TARP !
Obama-Care !

dave - not a "fact" just a 'feeling' . . .
and to some 'feelings' are facts ~ RHF
.
If you are looking for a perfect America where such scandals and
improprieties won't exist then you'll be waiting for the end of time
because it will never happen. The one thing that we did not have in
those decades past was a population that believed they were simply
entitled to anything and everything and government was going to take
away from one group in order to give to another.


Until the citizens literally take back their country from the ****ing
government you will see no change for the better.
When Watergate happened everyone from the citizenry up through all
ranks of government were ****ed and demanding action.
If Watergate were to occur today (or another Waco or Iran Contra etc)
porbably no one other than politicians would give a **** and only then
because they could use such events to their own benefit.
A large portion of the population today only care about one thing,
"I'm gonna get mine".
That was not the case 25 or 30 years back.
Politicians have always been predominately crooked to one degree or
another. But nowadays the people have become nearly as corrupt in
their thinking as the politicians.

As I stated here around 2 years ago, the people will elect the
government they deserve. And they have.
We have become a much more divided nation than we have been in decades
and we now have a government that reflects it.
Instead of the people being the bosses of the government the
government now tells us what to think and how to feel.

You gave examples of a lot of bad things that occured throughout the
last 30 or so years but it should also be noted that in that same time
period, as a people, we were better human beings than we are today.
Then we tried to look out for our neighbors and it was common to see
folks talking to each other over their fences and their children
playing up and down the streets of their neighborhoods.
50 years ago people, whether successful at it or not, at least tried
to live a "Leave It To Beaver" lifestyle. We would stop and help a
stranded stranger on the side of the road and typically neither party
had any reason to be fearful of the other. We had no problem throwing
a few bucks into the salvation army bucket or at some other charity
near the holidays.
Nowadays we are generally afraid to even drive down the street without
being safely locked in our cars, we are afraid to let our kids play
together outside after school and we look at our neighbors that may
have a little more than us with disdain. And instead of trying to
live the American dream we now lazily say that "it's impossible to
live a perfect life so **** it, may as well be an asshole."

Indeed, we might possibly be much better off today if the people
themselves had the same morals and outlooks on life that they had 30
or more years ago. If we did then maybe we would not be so quick to
tolerate the type of bull**** that we've had to put up with for the
last 25 years.

Thanks! I feel like the Cavalry has arrived!

America's Marxist
 

On 18-Aug-2010, wrote:

There is more segregation, more racial hatred and more attacks on the
constitution by religious and tin-hatted morons

There is more hypocrisy from the right who say one thing, and do the
opposite---from tax cuts, to patriotism.

Two Republican presidents outright committed perjury and lied
repeatedly to congress, to the courts and to the American people---

Conservatives have been in the forefront of subverting the
constitution and rule of law since the late 60's---from Nixon, to
Reagan and then Bush. Utter lying, perjuring sonsabitched all three.

And all you can whine about is.......much ado about nothing---ignoring
YOUR president's lies and stupidity.

We have to give it up on this clown - he must stay up all night watching
MSNBC reruns and taking notes; to hell with the facts and information.

America's Marxist
 

On 18-Aug-2010, dave wrote:

Dave for some/many it is just a 'feeling' that
America was better back then in the 1950s,
1960s, 1970s, 1980s and even up to the 1990s.


You can't fix the future by disrespecting it.

The '80s sucked. The '60s sucked. The '70s was probably the high water
mark for this country.

Way off base re the 60's and 80's (mid 70's the demise began and 80's was
the beginning of the high rate of the demise) but the 70's were the peak as
far as output. It will only get worse from here on, in every conceivable
measure. "Americans" must learn to live like the people in Peru, Cambodia
and Albania. It's not sorrowful, it was good while it lasted.

America's Marxist
 

On 18-Aug-2010, DEFCON 88 wrote:

You can't fix the future by disrespecting it.

The '80s sucked. The '60s sucked. The '70s was probably the high water
mark for this country.


Even though the 70's brought us (shudder) disco?

AND THE END OF MINISKIRTS!!!