On Sep 16, 11:41*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 9/17/10 01:21 , wrote:



On Sep 17, 1:46 am, "D. Peter *wrote:
On 9/17/10 24:42 , wrote:

On Sep 16, 8:22 am, Kevin Alfred
wrote:
On 9/16/2010 2:14 AM, Brenda Ann wrote:

"Kevin Alfred * * *wrote in message
...

The founders must have been aware that such a situation could evolve,
hence their repeated words "Congress shall make no law..." -- surely the
most important statement in the entire document.

CONgress has been making unconstitutional law for many decades. *First
there's the flagrant violation of the Second Amendment by regulating WHO may
own or carry a gun. They've been doing that one for a very long time, and
they just keep slipping in more BS under the flag of protecting the public.
Protecting the public is the job of the police, not the CONgress passing
unconstitutional law.

Then there's due process, double jeopardy and ex-post-facto. They get around
that by saying the law is not punitive, but "regulative". And the SCOTUS
goes right along with it.

You're right.

And the illegal usurpation of power has been going on for a very
long time, with huge spikes of illegal "law-making" occurring during
and after major wars. Practically everything the regime in
Washington does now is unconstitutional.

It's gone beyond illegality and actually reached the point of
insanity now.

At one time, I opined that these pretended "laws" ought to be void
because, among many other reasons, there were so many of them that
no one person could ever even read them all in a single lifetime,
let alone understand or obey them. (This excess of "laws," by the
way, converts us from a government of laws into a government of men
-- men who can cherry pick a victim and then cherry pick a "law" to
charge him with violating, since all have violated some. Tax laws
are among their favorites in this regard.)

But it's worse now. Multiple-thousand-page "laws" are passed by
legislators who never even bother to read them. And really, they
couldn't even if they wanted to -- there are too many. It's beyond
insane, beyond Kafkaesque. May the gods end it all soon.

With all good wishes,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--http://kevinalfredstrom.com/-Hidequoted text -

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- - - - BTW, where in the US Constitution does it say
- - - - that we must pay taxes to the Federal government?

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution
-wrt- Taxing and Spending by the US Fedeeral Government
* The Power To Tax : The Congress Shall Have Power
To Lay and Collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises
** "Lay" -t- Establish : Levy : Impose

- - - The 16th Amendment, for one.

TRUE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Am...s_Constitution

- - O, yes. Several states never ratified/or considered it.
- - No wonder .

TRUE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Am...s_Constitution

-*Actually, all but one.

Not So True.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen... ion#Adoption

1 - The legislatures of the following states rejected the
amendment without ever subsequently ratifying it:
Connecticut & Rhode Island & Utah

2 - The legislatures of the following states never
considered the proposed amendment:
Florida & Pennsylvania & Virginia

On 9/17/2010 7:02 AM, dave wrote:

...
This is a great example of corporations making law, changing politics,
and getting rich.

Follow the "3 strikes" laws, drugs laws, and the development of private
"for-profit" prisons.

Sounds like we have reached some ground we can agree on.

Anyway, I can attest to something me, the wife and everyone around me
has commented on. The prison system seems to be able to take someone
who has "made a mistake" and turn him into a big-bad-dangerous-criminal
in no time ... into someone who you DON'T WANT AS A NEIGHBOR!

From just our observations, prisons look more like "Criminal Technical
Training Schools" than anything else ... my wifes nephew and a few of
the kids of our friends "made a mistake" and came out full blown
criminals and drug addicted ... what is up with that, anyway?

Regards,
JS

On 9/17/2010 6:57 AM, dave wrote:

...
Europeans are the most perverse people on the planet. They ****ed the
world up. There is nothing to be admired that they didn't steal from
somebody else. All hail Einstein's planet killer bomb.


Well, I don't know about that kind of "Bomb Worship." However, I am
pretty certain, it did save me from speaking japanese--I am thankful for
that ...

Regards,
JS

On 9/17/2010 6:30 AM, John Smith wrote:

...
Well, I don't know about that kind of "Bomb Worship." However, I am
pretty certain, it did save me from speaking japanese--I am thankful for
that ...

Regards,
JS

Well, did I mention, it saved a lot of lives too ... I am thankful for that.

Regards,
JS

wrote:


And how, may we ask is it "that 210 years ago people were generally a
lot smarter than they are now" ? I was always told that most people
(worldwide) were mostly illiterate until very recently. And how can we
sample a spoken recording of such a time???

In the 18th century Americans were more rational and focused than they
are today. Their vocabularies were much bigger and they could follow an
argument to a logical conclusion.

TV, the internet, etc., may fill up our heads with more facts, etc., but
they have done nothing but made us functionally way dumber. I like to
think of the mass media as a voluntary electronic lobotomy.

Read "the Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine (the atheist who invented the
USA). It is one of the most beautiful things ever written. Nothing
today compares.

John Smith wrote:
On 9/17/2010 6:57 AM, dave wrote:

...
Europeans are the most perverse people on the planet. They ****ed the
world up. There is nothing to be admired that they didn't steal from
somebody else. All hail Einstein's planet killer bomb.


Well, I don't know about that kind of "Bomb Worship." However, I am
pretty certain, it did save me from speaking japanese--I am thankful for
that ...

Regards,
JS

The war was just about over when they dropped the bombs. They needed a
human population to use as Guinea Pigs. The only atrocity bigger in
the War was the fire bombing of German cities.

As for Einstein, it would appear he was a thief.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~xtxinc/AEIPBook.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11...in_relativity/



mike.

On 9/17/2010 2:02 PM, m II wrote:
John Smith wrote:
...
Well, I don't know about that kind of "Bomb Worship." However, I am
pretty certain, it did save me from speaking japanese--I am thankful for
that ...

Regards,
JS
...
The war was just about over when they dropped the bombs. They needed a
human population to use as Guinea Pigs. The only atrocity bigger in
the War was the fire bombing of German cities.
...
mike.

I love when fools attempt to rewrite history ... japan was not so
anxious to surrender with the first dropping of a super weapon, wiping
out a whole city ... it took the second ... that is not even close for
horseshoes ... but then, one more American life wasted, to not having
dropped the bomb would have been far too many for me.

Regards,
JS

On 9/17/2010 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote:

...
I love when fools attempt to rewrite history ... japan was not so
anxious to surrender with the first dropping of a super weapon, wiping
out a whole city ... it took the second ... that is not even close for
horseshoes ... but then, one more American life wasted, to not having
dropped the bomb would have been far too many for me.

Regards,
JS

That is just dealing with the matter way too lightly ... I am damn proud
of what we done to win the war. That is a time when the government was a
government to be damn proud of. The men who fought that war were men to
be damn proud of. American ingenuity spent developing the bomb is/was
something to be damn proud of.

Bomb Pearl Harbor and that is exactly what it will take to settle the
score ... the fools I share America with, today, I am too often ashamed of.

Regards,
JS

On Sep 17, 6:38*am, John Smith wrote:
On 9/17/2010 6:30 AM, John Smith wrote:

...
Well, I don't know about that kind of "Bomb Worship." However, I am
pretty certain, it did save me from speaking japanese--I am thankful for
that ...

Regards,
JS

Well, did I mention, it saved a lot of lives too ... I am thankful for that.

Regards,
JS

Reportedly the MIL-INTEL that Prez Truman was given
to help him make the Decision to Drop the A/H Bombs
or not was that :
1 - Using the Bombs would Break the Will of the
Japanese to continue to Fight and Defend their
Mainland like they did Okinawa.
2 - Not using the Bombs would mean that the USA
and the Allies would have to Fight the Japanese both
Military and Civilian in their Home Island with the
potential cost of a Million or more Japanese Civilian
Lives along with a 100K or more US MIL causalities.

Prez Truman decided to Drop the Bombs and yes
doing so did save a million or more Deaths on both
sides.

Note - MacArthur's Post-War Occupation Intelligence
discover from the Japanese Military that the US's
prior estimates were low and the Japanese were
prepared ready to Fight more and longer; and the
causalities may have been doubled into the Millions.
The Japanese thinking was that the Japanese could
Fight the US & Allies to a stalemate on their Home
Islands and Win a Cease Fire and an Armistice
versus a Complete Surrender and Occupation by
the US & Allies. -wrt- N&S Korea later in 1953

~ RHF

On Sep 17, 2:02*pm, m II wrote:
John Smith wrote:
On 9/17/2010 6:57 AM, dave wrote:

...
Europeans are the most perverse people on the planet. They ****ed the
world up. There is nothing to be admired that they didn't steal from
somebody else. All hail Einstein's planet killer bomb.

Well, I don't know about that kind of "Bomb Worship." *However, I am
pretty certain, it did save me from speaking japanese--I am thankful for
that ...

Regards,
JS

- The war was just about over when they dropped
- the bombs. They needed a human population to
- use as Guinea Pigs. The only atrocity bigger in
- the War was the fire bombing of German cities.

Nah the Fire Bombing of Tokyo killed more Japanese
an estimated 1.5 million people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

Once Again 'The Voice of Canada' Got It Wrong.

Speaking of "Guinea Pigs" M II how are you . . .

;;-}} ~ RHF