On Sep 4, 9:40*pm, Richard Evans
wrote:
Drewdove wrote:
IMHO too many people laughed off complaints that the digital carriers would
cause interference to first adjacent analogs without realizing these same
adjacent would interfere with the digital carriers rendering HD useless in
certain (many?) situations.

As far as I'm concerned, allowing a signal to be broadcast, at a
frequency that is already allocated to something else, is always going
to be a bad idea (unless it is a system using very directional
antennas). From what I've read in this NG. HD-Radio does just that. It
ends up allowing digital signals to be transmitted on frequencies
already allocated to analogue signals. Whoever thought that would be OK,
obviously either doesn't understand radio, or simply doesn't give a sh*t
about the consequences.

Richard E.

The whole IBOC system was puposely designed to jam the smaller
adjacent-cheenl stations of the dial.

DigitalRadioScams wrote:

The whole IBOC system was puposely designed to jam the smaller
adjacent-cheenl stations of the dial.

So is that why it's so spectrally inefficient?
To use up more bandwidth, hence produce more jamming.

In article ,
Richard Evans wrote:

DigitalRadioScams wrote:

The whole IBOC system was puposely designed to jam the smaller
adjacent-cheenl stations of the dial.

So is that why it's so spectrally inefficient?
To use up more bandwidth, hence produce more jamming.

The idea was to ultimately retire analog FM entirely, thus enabling
iBiquity to capture a royalty on every bit of material on the FM band.
iBiquity understated the amount of IBOC signal necessary to achieve
"equivalent" coverage with the stations' FM signals so that it could get
its foot in the door.

When it became apparent that -20db was inadequate (even though there was
still major interference with analog signals), they lobbied for -10db.
That was an "oops" of an order of magnitude. They got -14db instead, but
the deleterious effects on analog FM at that level remains to be seen,
since most stations have yet to take advantage of it.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On 9/4/2010 6:40 PM, Richard Evans wrote:
Drewdove wrote:

IMHO too many people laughed off complaints that the digital carriers
would
cause interference to first adjacent analogs without realizing these same
adjacent would interfere with the digital carriers rendering HD
useless in
certain (many?) situations.

As far as I'm concerned, allowing a signal to be broadcast, at a
frequency that is already allocated to something else, is always going
to be a bad idea (unless it is a system using very directional
antennas). From what I've read in this NG. HD-Radio does just that. It
ends up allowing digital signals to be transmitted on frequencies
already allocated to analogue signals. Whoever thought that would be OK,
obviously either doesn't understand radio, or simply doesn't give a sh*t
about the consequences.

Here's a book that you can read to understand how IBOC works (I mean if
you actually want to understand it).

"http://www.radioworld.com/article/8410".

SMS wrote:


Here's a book that you can read to understand how IBOC works (I mean if
you actually want to understand it).

"http://www.radioworld.com/article/8410".

Not especially interested in the details. But I'll take a look if I can
find the time.

I know how Reddifusion works.About ten years ago, that married Irish
woman (married to that Irish guy.She is from Cathair Chinn Lis,
[Caherconlish, to you] he is from Fethard. http://www.fethard.com
) wayyyyyy over yonder across the big pond explained it to me.First time
I ever heard of Reddifusion was in 1964 on my Hong Kong hotel room
radio, when I did my five days R&R in Hong Kong.
Wired Radio.
cuhulin

SMS wrote:


Here's a book that you can read to understand how IBOC works (I mean if
you actually want to understand it).

"http://www.radioworld.com/article/8410".

So I have to buy a book, and find time to read through it, to find out
about something I'm not especially interested in. Thanks for the link,
but I think I'll pass on this one.

In article ,
Richard Evans wrote:

SMS wrote:


Here's a book that you can read to understand how IBOC works (I mean if
you actually want to understand it).

"http://www.radioworld.com/article/8410".

So I have to buy a book, and find time to read through it, to find out
about something I'm not especially interested in. Thanks for the link,
but I think I'll pass on this one.

Don't worry...it isn't a "book". It is one of Radio World's usual
half-assed articles that pretends to be technical. Believe me, real
radio engineers don't learn from Radio World.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On 9/5/2010 8:31 AM, Richard Evans wrote:
SMS wrote:


Here's a book that you can read to understand how IBOC works (I mean
if you actually want to understand it).

"http://www.radioworld.com/article/8410".

So I have to buy a book, and find time to read through it, to find out
about something I'm not especially interested in. Thanks for the link,
but I think I'll pass on this one.

No, you don't have to do anything. If you were interested in
understanding the technology of IBOC rather than making uninformed
comments about it, it would be a wise thing to do. But apparently you're
content to talk about things you "know" that aren't actually true.
Whatever lights your board.

On Sep 4, 9:40*pm, Richard Evans
wrote:
Drewdove wrote:
IMHO too many people laughed off complaints that the digital carriers would
cause interference to first adjacent analogs without realizing these same
adjacent would interfere with the digital carriers rendering HD useless in
certain (many?) situations.

As far as I'm concerned, allowing a signal to be broadcast, at a
frequency that is already allocated to something else, is always going
to be a bad idea (unless it is a system using very directional
antennas). From what I've read in this NG. HD-Radio does just that. It
ends up allowing digital signals to be transmitted on frequencies
already allocated to analogue signals. Whoever thought that would be OK,
obviously either doesn't understand radio, or simply doesn't give a sh*t
about the consequences.

Richard E.

Here's a site that called out the jamming affects of HD Radio, when it
was presented to Congress back in 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/200409261...ldisaster.org/