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SMS wrote:

When were those stations and their out-of area listeners guaranteed that
they'd be able to be received far outside their protected contour
forever? The protected contours are there for a reason. Whatever changes
are made that don't affect a station's protected contour are fair game.

So...so...you acknowledge that interference *within* protected contours
is *not* fair game??? Super! I eagerly await your comments on John's
repeated mention of IBOC interference to KKDV's protected signal. Over
to you, Steven....


Our favorite troll is a fascinating study in cluelessness. Does he
actually believe that a law firm trolling for class action suits will
have even the slightest effect on the success or failure of digital radio?

I have no idea who "our favorite troll" is, having killfiled so many
of them (pro and con IBOC) months and months ago. If one of them annoys
you so much that he has become your "favorite," perhaps it's time for
you to filter him out.


Patty

On 9/6/2010 8:30 AM, Patty Winter wrote:

So...so...you acknowledge that interference *within* protected contours
is *not* fair game??? Super! I eagerly await your comments on John's
repeated mention of IBOC interference to KKDV's protected signal. Over
to you, Steven....

John "mentions" lots of things that are of questionable validity. If
there is IBOC interference to a protected signal then a complaint needs
to be filed with the FCC. I searched the FCC database of complaints and
couldn't find any complaint about this for KKDV. The procedure for
filing complaints can be found at
"http://www.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/interference.html".

I have no idea who "our favorite troll" is, having killfiled so many
of them (pro and con IBOC) months and months ago. If one of them annoys
you so much that he has become your "favorite," perhaps it's time for
you to filter him out.

Did that a long time ago. Unfortunately people keep following-up to his
posts and I'm hesitant to kill-file them as well.

In article ,
SMS wrote:

John "mentions" lots of things that are of questionable validity.

Questionable by whom? You? Who are you? If you are going to accuse
someone with a generally good reputation of being incompetent or evil,
you really do need to provide specifics.

If
there is IBOC interference to a protected signal then a complaint needs
to be filed with the FCC. I searched the FCC database of complaints and
couldn't find any complaint about this for KKDV. The procedure for
filing complaints can be found at
"http://www.fcc.gov/eb/broadcast/interference.html".

I'm well aware of the street address for filing general interference
complaints.

Something you would know if you actually worked in broadcasting:

Station owners in a market do not casually file interference complaints
against their fellow broadcasters. It just isn't done except in rare
instances. It is a last resort which occurs only after the interfering
station has exhibited absolutely no willingness to cooperate or
participate in a solution, and even then the commission turns around and
tells the parties to make yet another attempt at reconciliation.

Clear Channel has bent over backwards to assist us and others in
tracking down and quantifying interference and other situations. We have
a magnificent relationship with the local people here. In any given
market, cooperation is the name of the game.

No useful purpose would be served at this time by putting this on record
with the FCC as a complaint against a fellow broadcaster who is
complying with current guidelines. There are other FCC portals which are
far more effective for registering procedural complaints, particularly
those involving the formal complaint process through counsel. You WILL
find those complaints on file, if you know where to look and what to
look for.

Your assertion has been that interference within protected contours was
not occurring. I have evidence that it does in at least three cases. As
has been pointed out, the FCC's inaction and lack of acknowledgement
that such interference exists does not mean that it isn't happening.
You're welcome to take calibrated receivers and spectrum analyzer out
into the field and prove me wrong. As I recall, I have offered to take
anyone out into the field and demonstrate the situation, live and in
person.

When do you want to go?

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

On 9/6/2010 10:16 AM, John Higdon wrote:

No useful purpose would be served at this time by putting this on record
with the FCC as a complaint against a fellow broadcaster who is
complying with current guidelines.

So the FCC set up procedures for reporting interference, including from
HD Radio, and the stations being interfered with would rather complain
about it on Usenet rather than file a legitimate complaint. If you think
this tack will stop HD Radio then you're going to be very disappointed.

In article ,
SMS wrote:

So the FCC set up procedures for reporting interference, including from
HD Radio, and the stations being interfered with would rather complain
about it on Usenet rather than file a legitimate complaint. If you think
this tack will stop HD Radio then you're going to be very disappointed.

I'm not interested in stopping HD Radio. It will rise or fall on its
own. I'm just having fun here. "HD Radio" has already begun its very
slow death; what is said here makes no difference at all. Nothing said
here makes any difference, which is the point I've been trying to make.
Broadcasting occurs at radio stations not on Usenet. I deal with
broadcasting every single day.

You claimed that interference inside protected contours didn't exist,
but now you seem to be shifting to discussion of the interference
complaint procedure (which all broadcasters know is a total sham). You
even toss in the Washington street address for filing general complaints
to the FCC. None of that is relevant. IBOC interference exists, and I
can prove it to you. Apparently, you are not really interested in
defending your original assertion.

So be it.

--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last

SMS wrote:
On 9/6/2010 10:16 AM, John Higdon wrote:

No useful purpose would be served at this time by putting this on record
with the FCC as a complaint against a fellow broadcaster who is
complying with current guidelines.

So the FCC set up procedures for reporting interference, including from
HD Radio, and the stations being interfered with would rather complain
about it on Usenet rather than file a legitimate complaint. If you think
this tack will stop HD Radio then you're going to be very disappointed.

There's a major case involving CBS in Los Angeles. I'm sure Roy will
fill in the blanks.