On Oct 3, 12:20*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/2/2010 7:17 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:





On Oct 2, 7:59 pm, John *wrote:
On 10/2/2010 5:33 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
* *the gold standard has never stopped inflation, nor a currency
collapse.

A bizarre meaningless comment does you no good ...

* really. then pray tell why the dollar collapsed in 1930, when it was
backed by gold. only a few coutries stayed on the gold standard after
1930. and their economies imploded. you are way out of your league.

* if you want to hold
on to a piece of paper, after noting the importance of gold, even to
industry, you must be an idiot ... what circular logic and reasoning ....
nothing short of bizarre ...

* then why will the owners of gold, gladly sell you their valuable
gold, for little green pieces of paper. you are driven by fears. those
fears are being driven by those who sell gold, for little green pieces
of paper.

Regards,
JS

Actually, we would still be on the gold standard if the government had
not made it illegal and abolished it ... a clear example of how the
people are never wrong, whenever there is a question, "Who is wrong?"
It will ALWAYS be the government ...

Regards,
JS- Hide quoted text -

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And we can always blame China for inventing paper money. And they are
still buying US Treasury bonds- isn't that funny !

On Oct 2, 2:15Â*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 2, 2:24Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:

Â*it is impossible for liberals to be fascists. fascists hate liberals,
trade unionist, socialists, communists, jews(because most of them are
liberal), the weak, the disabled, minorities, homosexuals. they are
intolerant of other views and religions. they practice bigotry,
racism, and homophobia, etc. say, i just described the modern
conservative movement

"NA" -says- "it is impossible for liberals to be fascists"

On 10/2/2010 9:17 PM, RHF wrote:

...
yes there are times when gold has little or no value
-wrt- the necessities of day to day survival ~ RHF
.
.

Whenever gold has no value, only food, shelter, water, clothes, etc.
will continue to have value. But as soon as their is a desire for
money, gold is king. Not only that, but you can bury gold for an
eternity and dig it back up and spend it. Paper money will deteriorate
rather quickly ... again, gold is king.

But, I suspect you waste your time ... this idiot only argues for the
sake of "being right" ... it has no bearing on if what he says is even
close to correct, or not.

Regards,
JS

On Oct 2, 11:02*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/2/2010 7:23 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
* yea, its way over your head. if one day you are forced into selling
your way over priced asset(gold), at a reduced price to raise scarce
cash someday to pay your bills, remember me

Regards,
JS

You are an idiot, choose another like yourself to carry on your BS with
... insane ranting does not interest me. *I suspect you are another
"guest" they let use the dayroom computer ...

Regards,
JS

that does not refute one thing i have proven. also,i have been active
on alt.politics.economics for well over a decade and a half.

On Oct 2, 11:12*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/2/2010 7:21 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:



On Oct 2, 8:06 pm, John *wrote:
On 10/2/2010 5:32 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
* *who is ignoring that. wages have risen along with prices. gold goes
up in price, gold falls in price. suckers who bought gold in the early
80's, still have not recouped their losses. its a poor investment,
pays no dividends, makes no income, and is only valuable for
electronics and jewelery.

Regards,
JS

Wrong, again ... up until the 1960's, or around there, it was
universally known in America, the rule, "A fair days pay for a fair days
work." *This is no longer so ...

* what does that have to do with the price of gold.

Minimum wage, still in 1970, would buy you about 10 gallons of gas--it
was $1.65 p/hr; *Gas is now 10x as much. *A fair 1 bedroom apartment
would run you ~$80.00 a month--utilities included; *Today, it would cost
you in excess of 10x as much. *A nice new car would run you
$1,800-$2,000; *Today, a car of "equal" value would be 10x as much.

* yes wages have fallen, it has nothing to do with fiat currency, or
gold. it has to do with a rising economic aristocracy.

The point to all the above? *For minimum wage to have kept up with
inflation, minimum would have to be ~$16.50 p/hr.

* so. that still does not mean a thing about fiat currencies and gold..

Now, I believe minimum wage is less than 1/2 of that ... only a fool
would attempt to sell, as fact, that wages have kept any where near the
rate of inflation. *Sell that chit to some fool ... real wages have even
suffered worse!

* wages are a problem. demand is wage driven, deflation is a lack of
demand. as long as wages are not addressed, assets and prices will
fall, including gold. gold has nothing to do with wages. i think this
stuff is way over your head. no wonder the gold bugs are plundering
you.

Regards,
JS

It is thinking like yours that got us here ... you go on ahead. *I think
enough know what to do now ...

Regards,
JS

still does not refute a thing. and the last 30 years of thinking is
what has ruined america.

On Oct 2, 11:17*pm, RHF wrote:
On Oct 2, 5:33*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
- - On Oct 2, 7:00*pm, John Smith wrote:
- - And, for you, I am sure, I will have to point out,
- - that IS called inflation!
- - *It is a most practical example too.
- - Regards,
- - JS

- the gold standard has never stopped inflation,
- nor a currency collapse.

But Gold Itself Has NOT Collapsed : Just the
worthless paper currency.


sure its collapsed. if the paper it backs goes down in value, so does
gold. see 1930. it collapsed in the early 1980s also. explain that
away


Something of Value Will Retain It Value
and Be Of Value.



maybe, maybe not. you have to be able to sell your asset, and a lot
of assets are not selling well today.


Currency exists as a medium to easily and readily
Acquire Something of Value. Currency is a Means
to an End and the End is Always Something of Value.



and it does not need to be backed by gold to attain this.

Gold Can Be Something of Value provided that
someone has everything they need and wants
some Gold in exchange for something they wish
to sell for the Gold.



i could say that about baseball cards also.


Would You Sell :
Your Last Bottle of Clean Water for Gold ?



Would You Sell :
Your Last Loaf of Bread for Gold ?

Would You Sell :
Your Last Chicken for Gold ?

Would You Sell :
Your Last Box of Matches for Gold ?

Would You Sell :
Your Last Package of Vegetable Seeds for Gold ?

Would You Sell :
Your Last Fishing Hook for Gold ?

Would You Sell :
Your Last Gallon of Gasoline for Gold ?

Would You Sell :
Your Last Gun and a Box of Ammo for Gold ?

yes there are times when gold has little or no value
-wrt- the necessities of day to day survival ~ RHF
*.
*.

if you believe that the country and currency will collapse, and its
possible. gold will do you little good. food and ammo will be better
assets.

On Oct 2, 11:20*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 10/2/2010 7:17 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:



On Oct 2, 7:59 pm, John *wrote:
On 10/2/2010 5:33 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
* *the gold standard has never stopped inflation, nor a currency
collapse.

A bizarre meaningless comment does you no good ...

* really. then pray tell why the dollar collapsed in 1930, when it was
backed by gold. only a few coutries stayed on the gold standard after
1930. and their economies imploded. you are way out of your league.

* if you want to hold
on to a piece of paper, after noting the importance of gold, even to
industry, you must be an idiot ... what circular logic and reasoning ....
nothing short of bizarre ...

* then why will the owners of gold, gladly sell you their valuable
gold, for little green pieces of paper. you are driven by fears. those
fears are being driven by those who sell gold, for little green pieces
of paper.

Regards,
JS

Actually, we would still be on the gold standard if the government had
not made it illegal and abolished it ... a clear example of how the
people are never wrong, whenever there is a question, "Who is wrong?"
It will ALWAYS be the government ...

Regards,
JS

explain away the private sector screwing people over gold. gold is a
impossible way to back a modern economy. its deflationary in nature.
no country is willing to go back to the gold standard and starve.

On Oct 2, 11:33*pm, wrote:
On Oct 3, 12:20*am, John Smith wrote:



On 10/2/2010 7:17 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

On Oct 2, 7:59 pm, John *wrote:
On 10/2/2010 5:33 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
* *the gold standard has never stopped inflation, nor a currency
collapse.

A bizarre meaningless comment does you no good ...

* really. then pray tell why the dollar collapsed in 1930, when it was
backed by gold. only a few coutries stayed on the gold standard after
1930. and their economies imploded. you are way out of your league.

* if you want to hold
on to a piece of paper, after noting the importance of gold, even to
industry, you must be an idiot ... what circular logic and reasoning ...
nothing short of bizarre ...

* then why will the owners of gold, gladly sell you their valuable
gold, for little green pieces of paper. you are driven by fears. those
fears are being driven by those who sell gold, for little green pieces
of paper.

Regards,
JS

Actually, we would still be on the gold standard if the government had
not made it illegal and abolished it ... a clear example of how the
people are never wrong, whenever there is a question, "Who is wrong?"
It will ALWAYS be the government ...

Regards,
JS- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And we can always blame China for inventing paper money. And they are
still buying US Treasury bonds- *isn't that funny !

it sure is. the owners of gold will gladly sell you their gold for
little green pieces of paper. now who is the fool

On Oct 2, 11:38Â*pm, RHF wrote:

you are simply projecting again.

the GOP, its not fascism when we do itBack to the ‘30s:how the GOP
uses Nazi techniques to rally theÂ*mob:New agencies all the world over
are for the most part in the hands of Jews:If you substitute liberal
for jew you have the same language



http://moronia.us/front/2009/12/back...rally-the-mob/

Back to the ‘30s: how the GOP uses Nazi techniques to rally theÂ*mob
December 10, 2009
Posted by Jules Siegel
By Hrafnkell HarÂ*aldsÂ*son
Instead of Der Angriff and the Völkischer Beobachter we have FOX News
and World Net Daily. Instead of Joseph Goebbels and Alfred RosenÂ*berg
we have Rupert MurÂ*doch and Joseph Farah. These media outÂ*lets spout
anti- liberalism as vocifÂ*erÂ*ously and viciously as any NSDAP proÂ*paÂ*
ganda organ. Like the party ideÂ*oÂ*logues noted above, they employ ad
hominem attacks in place of cogent analyÂ*sis and preÂ*fer name- calling
to actual news.
MurÂ*doch, Farah and their minÂ*ions take street- fighting techÂ*niques
in front of minÂ*ions through use of glossy modÂ*ern technology.
WitÂ*ness, for examÂ*ple, Glenn Beck and Rush LimÂ*baugh went on the
attacked Sen. Mary LanÂ*drieu (D- LA) for her stance on the healthÂ*care
debate in the SenÂ*ate. But they did not criÂ*tique her posiÂ*tion based
on its merÂ*its, and by offerÂ*ing a cogent counter- argument. Instead,
both called a female US senÂ*aÂ*tor a prosÂ*tiÂ*tute (The Rush LimÂ*baugh
Show NovemÂ*ber 23 2009 and The Glenn Beck ProÂ*gram NovemÂ*ber 23,2009).
This sort of attack is comÂ*monÂ*place and difÂ*fers not at all from the
tacÂ*tics used by the National SocialÂ*ist Press in the 20’s andÂ*30’s.
• Glenn Beck listed peoÂ*ple he’d like to “beat to death with a
shovel.â€� In 2001, Beck enuÂ*merÂ*ated the varÂ*iÂ*ous peoÂ*ple that he
“would want to kill with a shovel,� or “line up� and “shoot … in the
head,â€� includÂ*ing Rep. Charles Rangel (D- NY). (Glenn Beck ProÂ*gram,
3/ 9/ 01)
• The RepubÂ*liÂ*can Tea- Party mobs embrace this prinÂ*ciÂ*ple.
IdeÂ*oÂ*logÂ*iÂ*cal rhetoric backs it up: We see for examÂ*ple from Ann
CoulÂ*ter, Vester: You say you’d rather not talk to libÂ*erÂ*als at all?
CoulÂ*ter: I think a baseÂ*ball bat is the most effecÂ*tive way these
days. (FOX News ChanÂ*nel, DayÂ*Side with Linda Vester, 10/ 6)
• “Would you kill someÂ*one for that?…I’m thinkÂ*ing about
killing Michael Moore…I could kill him myself, or if I would need to
hire someÂ*body to do it,… No, I think I could. I think he could be
lookÂ*ing me in the eye, you know, and I could just be chokÂ*ing the
life out. Is this wrong? I stopped wearÂ*ing my What Would Jesus — band
— Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be
able to say, ‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the litÂ*
tle band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realÂ*ize, ‘Oh, you
wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to
death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.â€� (Glenn Beck ProÂ*gram, 5/
17/ 05)
• Beck, jokÂ*ing about poiÂ*sonÂ*ing Nancy Pelosi: “So, Speaker
Pelosi, I just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind?
Do those eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink
it. Drink it. Drink it… By the way, I put poiÂ*son in your —â€� (Glenn
Beck ProÂ*gram, 8/ 6/ 09)
• Bill O’Reilly, of peoÂ*ple who critÂ*iÂ*cize him, The Radio FacÂ*
tor, SepÂ*temÂ*ber 27, 2007: “You know, look, if I could stranÂ*gle these
peoÂ*ple and not go to hell and get exeÂ*cuted, I would, but IÂ*can’t.â€�
• Bill O’Reilly — radio show, Sept. 14, 2005: “I just wish KatÂ*
rina had only hit the United Nations buildÂ*ing, nothÂ*ing else, just
had flooded them out, and I wouldn’t have resÂ*cuedÂ*them.â€�
• Rush LimÂ*baugh OctoÂ*ber 20, 2009, The Rush LimÂ*baugh Show:
“This guy from The New York Times, if he really thinks that humanÂ*ity
is destroyÂ*ing the planet, humanÂ*ity is destroyÂ*ing the cliÂ*mate, that
human beings in their natÂ*ural exisÂ*tence are going to cause the
extincÂ*tion of life on Earth — Andrew Revkin. Mr. Revkin, why don’t
you just go kill yourÂ*self and help the planet byÂ*dying?â€�
• Right Wing blogÂ*ger Roger ErickÂ*son March 31, 2009: “At what
point do the peoÂ*ple tell the politiÂ*cians to go to hell? At what
point do they get off the couch, march down to their state
legislator’s house, pull him outÂ*side, and beat him to a bloody pulp
for being anÂ*idiot?â€�

Part 2: Liberal/Jewish Media and Right Wing Propaganda. This is the
second installment of a detailed examination of the parallels between
the Nazi movement in Germany and the new Republican methodology since
the election of Obama. Also see parts 1, 3, 4, and 5.


Now that we’ve examined the street-level thuggery in Part One, let’s
look at some examples of how the Republican “elite� work.

NSDAP and GOP: Two Medias; One Tactic
Everyone is familiar by now with the Right-wing rhetoric concerning
the “liberal media elite.� Personal responsibility goes right out the
window if you can just blame the other guy for lying about you. Again
we see a striking similarity between the National Socialists and the
Republicans – fix blame, and then accuse them of controlling the
media. The two seem to go hand-in-hand.
“Barack Obama only won because the media favored him and unfairly
denigrated the abilities and accomplishments of John McCain and Sarah
Palin.� We’ve heard this before, of course. It probably won’t surprise
you to know whe
Hitler, July 5, 1942, “New agencies all the world over…are for the
most part in the hands of Jews.�1
If you substitute “liberal� for “Jew� you have the same language.
Again, the liberals, like the Jews, are guilty of “fabrications�:
Sarah Palin, June 3, 2009, Anchorage: Palin spoke of “the entrenched
bureaucrats and the elite self-proclaimed intellectuals, and the smug
lobbyists who dominate Washington, and the liberal media that is
imposing its will on Washington, embracing that status quo, that
business as usual…� 2
This is the same language Hitler used of the “Jewish intellectuals�
and communists who dominated Weimar government. As an aside, she was
displaying typical intellectual dishonesty by lifting much of her
speech from “an article written four years ago by Newt Gingrich and
Craig Shirley without attribution.�3
The Conservapedia echoes Hitler: “The Liberal media elite is the
clique of highly paid, left-leaning executives and journalists who
directly control most output of the main newspapers and broadcasting
organizations.�4
The media is in the hands of the Jews (communists)! The media is in
the hands of the liberals (communists)! I don’t have to make this
stuff up. This is like shooting ducks in a pond or fishing with a hand
grenade.
If that is not enough, surely you remember the Nazi (mis)use of the
press. The National Socialist media became an outlet not for news, but
for propaganda. There is the most famous newspaper owner of all,
Joseph Goebbels and his paper Der Angriff (The Attack – aptly named).
Then there is the Völkischer Beobachter (Folkish [Ethnic] Observer)
edited first by Dietrich Eckart, an infamous “Jew-baiter�, then by
crank-ideologist Alfred Rosenberg.

Today, media has moved on to television and the Internet. Instead of
Der Angriff and the Völkischer Beobachter we have FOX News and World
Net Daily. Instead of Joseph Goebbels and Alfred Rosenberg we have
Rupert Murdoch and Joseph Farah. These media outlets spout anti-
liberalism as vociferously and viciously as any NSDAP propaganda
organ. Like the party ideologues noted above, they employ ad hominem
attacks in place of cogent analysis and prefer name-calling to actual
news.
Murdoch, Farah and their minions take street-fighting techniques in
front of minions through use of glossy modern technology.
Witness, for example, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh went on the
attacked Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) for her stance on the healthcare
debate in the Senate. But they did not critique her position based on
its merits, and by offering a cogent counter-argument. Instead, both
called a female US senator a prostitute (The Rush Limbaugh Show
November 23 2009 and The Glenn Beck Program November 23,2009).
This sort of attack is commonplace and differs not at all from the
tactics used by the National Socialist Press in the 20’s and 30’s.
Vilification is the order of the day. Analysis of the facts, when it
takes place at all, comes in a distant second. As Media Matters for
America reports,
Under its president, Roger Ailes, Fox News routinely employs racially
charged appeals to foment opposition to the Obama administration and
other progressive figures, such as Glenn Beck’s comments that
President Obama is a “racist� and “has a deep-seated hatred for white
people or the white culture.� Before launching the Fox News Channel,
Ailes worked as a media consultant for several Republican campaigns
where evidence shows he similarly appealed to racial fears and biases
for political gain, and as executive producer for Rush Limbaugh’s
television show, during which Limbaugh made several controversial
statements.5

And of course, just as National Socialist ideologues and leaders
motivated the mob, so do Republican ideologues. As I noted above,
Republican objections are not generally issued as cogent and well-
thought-out rebuttals of liberal positions but as ad hominem attacks,
character assassinations, and even suggested violence. This is true
not only of the rank-and-file but of the leadership, the party
ideologues, as can be seen from the examples below.
• Glenn Beck listed people he’d like to “beat to death with a
shovel.� In 2001, Beck enumerated the various people that he “would
want to kill with a shovel,� or “line up� and “shoot … in the head,�
including Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY). (Glenn Beck Program, 3/9/01)
• The Republican Tea-Party mobs embrace this principle.
Ideological rhetoric backs it up: We see for example from Ann Coulter,
Vester: You say you’d rather not talk to liberals at all? Coulter: I
think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days. (FOX News
Channel, DaySide with Linda Vester, 10/6)
• “Would you kill someone for that?…I’m thinking about killing
Michael Moore…I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire
somebody to do it,… No, I think I could. I think he could be looking
me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is
this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and
I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say,
‘Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What
Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael
Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know,
well, I’m not sure.� (Glenn Beck Program, 5/17/05)
• Beck, joking about poisoning Nancy Pelosi: “So, Speaker
Pelosi, I just wanted to — you gonna drink your wine? Are you blind?
Do those eyes not work? There you — I want you to drink it now. Drink
it. Drink it. Drink it… By the way, I put poison in your —�
(Glenn
Beck Program, 8/6/09)
• Bill O’Reilly, of people who criticize him, The Radio Factor,
September 27, 2007: “You know, look, if I could strangle these people
and not go to hell and get executed, I would, but I can’t.�
• Bill O’Reilly - radio show, Sept. 14, 2005: “I just wish
Katrina had only hit the United Nations building, nothing else, just
had flooded them out, and I wouldn’t have rescued them.�
• Rush Limbaugh October 20, 2009, The Rush Limbaugh Show: “This
guy from The New York Times, if he really thinks that humanity is
destroying the planet, humanity is destroying the climate, that human
beings in their natural existence are going to cause the extinction of
life on Earth — Andrew Revkin. Mr. Revkin, why don’t you just go kill
yourself and help the planet by dying?�
• Right Wing blogger Roger Erickson March 31, 2009: “At what
point do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point
do theyÂ*get off the couch, march down to their state legislator’s
house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an
idiot?�


Sources:
1Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s Table Talk 1941-1944 tr. By Norman Cameron and
R.H. Stevens (New York 2000 [1953]), 561.
2The Conservative Book Service even has this offering: Matthew
Continetti , The Persecution of Sarah Palin: How the Elite Media Tried
to Bring Down a Rising Star (2009) which makes the case that, “Palin
was a strong and popular conservative with traditional values-work,
family, and religion-and Washington Democrats and their allies in the
so-called mainstream media decided she had to be destroyed. These
elite liberals attacked everything from Palin’s clothing to her
parenting style to her church. They spread one malicious and untrue
rumor after another…�
3Huffington Post, June 6, 2009
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffr..._b_212228.html
4Consevapedia, http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal_media_elite
5Media Matters for America http://mediamatters.org/research/200910270001
6Fox News, Your World with Neal Cavuto, November 11, 2009.
7The Rush Limbaugh Show, April 1, 2005.
8Glenn Beck Program, April 27, 2006.
9The O’Reilly Factor, May 29, 2007.
10Hitler’s Table Talk, 47.

On Oct 2, 2:23Â*pm, Nickname unavailable wrote:
On Oct 2, 2:24Â*pm, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:

- Â*here are the three 3 phases of conservative decay.
- 1.conservatism(policies always fail)
- 2. libertarianism(the drive for purity, the conservative polices and
- those that implemented them, were not pure enough)
- 3. fascism(the rise of the strong man to ensure purity), the
- strongman
- will drive out the impure, liberals, jews, immigrants, trade
- unionists, communists, socialists, those with mental and physical
- defects,
- gypsies, etc. this to fails on a huge scale. just look what happened
- to the central european fascists. they collapsed their economies,
and
- came up millions of workers and soldiers short.

Here are the Three (3) Phases of Liberal Decay :

1. Liberalism (Well Meaning, Nice Sounding,
"Do-Gooder" Policies Always Doomed to Fail)

2. Liberal-Progressivism (The Drive for Social
Improvement through Change and Promising Hope;
More Draconian Liberal Polices are Implemented
to Transform The People into a New Society that
Is Guided by 'The Party') The Party Elite Have
Complete Power and Rule Un-Checked.

3. Liberal-Fascism (The Rise of the Party Leader
over 'The Party' Ensuring the Unity and Uniformaty
of 'The Party' and Enforcing The Will of 'The Party'
Over the People.) The Party Leader will Cleanse
'The Party' of All those Who Are NOT of 'The Party';
and 'The Party' Will Cleanse the People of All Those
Who Do NOT Support 'The Party' and The Party Leader
The Party Leader Now Has Complete and Total
Power and Rules by the Force of His Iron Will.

Brother/Sister Are You "OF" 'The Party' ?

Does The Teaching Of 'The Party' Abide Within You ?

Does The Thoughts Of 'The Party' "Leader"
Guide Your Thoughts ?

Let 'The Party' Change Your Life and Transform You !

Let 'The Party' Give You Hope and Renew You !