On Oct 3, 9:36*am, Deep Dudu wrote:
On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:18:55 -0700 (PDT), Nickname unavailable

wrote:
On Oct 3, 1:13=A0am, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
RHF wrote:
Here are the Three (3) Phases of Liberal Decay :

Fascists hate liberalism.

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Ray Fischer =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
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correct. its something the conservatives cannot explain away. in
fact, we know that fascism is the final decay of conservatism. they
are simply projecting again.

The recently coined term "liberal fascism" is nothing more than yet
another attempt by the right wing propagandists to blame everything
bad that ever happened in the world on liberalism. *The corporatists
can't come to an admission that the worst mass murderer ever in the
world was one of them, so they try to make fascism into a left wing
phenomenon in order to brainwash the lemmings. *

its called projecting. hitler and mussolini turned german and italian
society upside down, murder became legal, theft became legal, slavery
became legal, and were all viewed upon as admirable ways to make a
living. conservatives are doing the same thing today to american
society. night is day, day is night, black is white, white is black.

On 10/3/2010 9:21 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
the free market is a feverish cult, like all cults, reality will
never trump ideology.


Regards,
JS


Free market? There is no such thing, hasn't been for half a century or
more. Just start looking at the rules and regulations which cause the
system to be molded in fine detail and you will know this is fact ...
the tax code itself consists of many volumes and stacked, vertically,
upon the floor, stands taller than me, I suspect ... and the is but a
tiny fraction of the rules and regulations governing wealth, finances,
banking, commerce, etc. ... get real.

Regards,
JS

On Oct 3, 9:59*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/2/2010 11:16 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:



On Oct 3, 12:53 am, *wrote:

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/ency...sm_and_Nazism/

* *• * * Socialism and Nazism
Nazism and socialism refers to a polemical, and political claim that
Nazism, or the "German National Socialism" of the 1930s to mid 1940s
is comparable in some way to the ideology of socialism. Political
figures —in the US, Britain, and elsewhere —may at times employ the
comparison as a rhetorical device aimed at discrediting pro-labor and
otherwise socially liberal platforms, by implying a guilt by
association between socialist economic philosophy and the tyrannical
rule of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis.
While the claim has little meaning among educated scholars, the
argument has some social resonance among "layman majorities" who tend
to be less able to discern (or have less access to) factual claims and
materials related to history and economics —easy to sway with polemic
rhetoric, even if the claim has little substance or merit.

The definition of Nazism
The name "National Socialist German Workers Party," was a misnomer,
much like the "Peoples Republic of China," the "Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics," the "German Democratic Republic" and the
"Liberal Democratic Party of Russia." Few would argue that any of the
above countries were infact democracies or republics, and it is to
this above category that the Hitlerian self-image as a "National
Socialist German Workers Party," belongs.
The shortened term, "National Socialism," is a misnomer as well, and
by itself simply means a 'nationalist flavor of socialism.' But
because it is a very general term, it has some current resonance in
popular discourse —particularly when it's used synonymously with
Nazism.
It's polemical use within Western capitalist societies, is designed to
evoke the twin demons of Naziism and (Soviet) "socialism," perhaps
generating a Pavlovian response to the common "enemy", in this case .
The accusation of political liberals as "socialists," (and hence by
implication "Nazis" and "Soviets Communists") is a rather typical and
well-documented cornerstone of conservative rhetoric in the United
States and other capitalist democracies. (See smear campaign, Red
scare, McCarthyism)
The Nazi party-appropriated-term "socialism," like "democracy" in the
cases above, was used to appeal to German workers for political
support during the tentative early years of Hitler's ascent to power.
Apart from the occasional use of empty pro-worker political rhetoric,
Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party had no inclination towards true
socialism, in the sense (democratic socialism) that it's used today.
Within the context of Hitler's unified, "racially-pure" Germany,
Hitler instituted and supported social programs that on their surface
had socialist structure. For example, his youth programs, education
and indoctrination programs, reproduction programs, all borrowed some
of their structure from existing "socialist" ideas, but insead of
keeping the democratic spirit of socialist ideals, he simply borrowed
what was popular to serve is quest for power. Whatever appeals Nazism
made to the German worker, family, culture, and society —while in a
very general sense were socialist —they were simply components in the
totalitarian rule of the Nazi party.
The claim that socialism and nazism are one in the same are an example
of the ignatoriao ilenchi fallacy —for example, the same could be said
of the United States military industrial complex, which operates with
socialist/communist-like safeguards and protections, though its a part
of a capitalist system.

Ad-Hominem
The term Nazism typically has such a bad name that to link it to
anything tends to tarnish the reputation of that other thing. A "law"
of internet culture called Godwin's Law humorously states that whoever
first brings up Hitler or the Nazis in a usenet discussion
automatically loses the argument.
[1] [2] (tarring them with the same brush, as it were). Those who see
a connection insist that rather then being driven by ideology, they
seek only greater accuracy in political science.

Reasons Nazism is considered socialist

* *• * * Self-depiction: the German Nazi Party called itself the "National
Socialist Worker's Party", and in 1927, Hitler said, "We are
socialists."
* *•
* *• * * The Left Wing (examples include Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm),
and working class brownshirts (or Sturmabteilung) within the Nazi
Party supported socialist programs.
* *•
* *• * * One writer, Lew Rockwell at the Ludwig von Mises Institute,
suggests that the chief difference beween Nazism and (as he puts it)
others forms of socialism is that the Hitler's socialism was
nationalistic while other forms (such as Communism) were
internationalist. [3]

Reasons Nazism is not considered socialist

* *• * * Throughout its rise to power and rule, the Nazis were strongly
opposed by left-wing and socialist parties, and Nazi rhetoric was
virulently anti-Marxist, attacking both communists and social
democrats. A central appeal of Nazism was its opposition to Marxism
and other forms of socialism and its claim to be a bulwark against
Bolshevism and this is why they recieved so much material and
political support from industrialists and conservatives.
* *•
* *• * * The Nazi ideology saw socialist collectivism as part of a Jewish
conspiracy (Judeo-Bolshevism) meant to undermine the elitist
principle.
* *•
* *• * * Nazis proposed that only people who were considered "racially pure"
or Aryan would benefit from their policies. This can be seen as
contrary to the socialist ideal of a society for the benefit of all.
* *•
* *• * * In his rise to power, Hitler reassured German industrialists that
he would respect private property and fight labor unions. To the
extent that permitting private property to exist is contrary to
"socialism", then Nazism was not "socialist". On the other hand, some
democratic countries (like Sweden) have adopted some (but not all)
socialist ideas while retaining a degree of freedom to own private
property and have labor unions.
* *•
* *• * * Hitler received strong support from conservatives for the "Enabling
Act." This legislation was opposed by social democrats.
* *•
* *• * * After coming to power, Hitler sent thousand of communists, social
democrats and unionists to concentration camps and killed communist
leaders in Germany. He outlawed labor unions and guaranteed corporate
profits for Krupp& *Co.
* *•
* *• * * The profits of large corporations soared under the Nazis. With the
exception of Jewish property which was seized and sold, capitalist
enterprises were not expropriated or nationalised but remained in
private hands.
* *•
* *• * * The Nazis were anti-egalitarian believing in neither equality
(either among Germans or between Germans and non-Germans),
collectivism, nor the rights of the "masses". According to Hitler
biographer Ian Kershaw they had an elitist view of society and
asserted that in competition with each other the superior individual
would emerge on top. Despite the use of slogans such as "the common
good comes before the private good" their vision of social relations,
in practice, was in line with the ideas of Nietzche rather than Karl
Marx.
* *•
* *• * * During the party's ascendency in the 1930s, so called "left wing"
Nazis such as Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm were ruthlessly purged
and even killed.

Man, that is nothing but distilled BS. *What a friggin' idiot! *This is
some homosexual mental case ... one of the worst I have yet seen.

Regards,
JS

then refute it right wing stooge.

On 10/3/2010 9:28 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...

Your text is nothing but drivel ...

And, you certainly are NOT a liberal. You are just a fool supporting
the status quo ...

Regards,
JS

On Oct 3, 10:02*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/2/2010 11:18 PM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
* correct. its something the conservatives cannot explain away. in
fact, we know that fascism is the final decay of conservatism. they
are simply projecting again.

What a friggin' idiot to even spend so much time on such an
infinitesimally small point ... I suspect meth, crack cocoaine or a
mental disorder which mimics the drugs effects ... I just love these
idiots, reminds me of why things are the way they are ...

Regards,
JS

refute it then. it seems when your type has nothing, you resort to
insults. me thinks that you see some disturbing similarities between
fascism and conservatism

On 10/3/2010 9:38 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
then refute it right wing stooge.

I am for tearing up ALL government. I am for interpreting the
Constitution though the interpretation which would be held by rational,
logical and reasoning average Americans--the same which accepted and
held the Constitution to be valid in the first place--rule by majority
of the people, and absolute rule by the people, whos' will is carried
out by their public servants. I believe most of the congressmen,
senators and the president should be jailed and charged with crimes of
treason against the people.

I am simply here waiting the revolution ... be it peaceful, or not ...
but things need to be put back in order.

Regards,
JS

On Oct 3, 10:31*am, John Smith wrote:
On 10/3/2010 8:03 AM, Chas. Chan wrote:

Fascism is a form of government which centers all power [House, Senate
and Judiciary] in a single party [Liberal Fascist Democrats] headed by
an absolute dictater [0baMa0 Tse Dung].
...

You have it correct, and such is our government. *However, some are
confused since the party can be referred to by two different
names--republi-crat and demo-can ... but, in the shadows the same
figure(s) pull the strings ...

Regards,
JS

man, you got it bad. the idiot just said the constitution was fascist.

On 10/3/2010 9:44 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
refute it then. it seems when your type has nothing, you resort to
insults. me thinks that you see some disturbing similarities between
fascism and conservatism

You take despots out behind a run down shed and shoot them in the back
of the head ... then you get on with the important things in life ...
you leave idiots there to contemplate the dead body(s) for the time they
find necessary ...

Regards,
JS

On 10/3/2010 9:51 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:


man, you got it bad. the idiot just said the constitution was fascist.

He did say this, "Anyone who is not a
ComuSexual-(Liberal/Progressive/Socialist/Communist) is a Fascist
according to Useful Liberal Idiots."

I can sum it all up, and more, with less, "You are a fool. You are an
excellent example, in the reverse ..."

Regards,
JS

On 10/3/2010 9:54 AM, Nickname unavailable wrote:

...
conservative(fascists)hate jews, because most jews are liberal.
thanks for proving that fascists are not liberals rick sanchez let
loose on jews recently. isn't sanchez a conservative?

It is so trivial, it boggles the mind. The same money lenders in the
temples, since ancient times, their bloodlines, their motivations, their
methods, etc., etc. are still alive and well today ... the weapons which
work against them are still just as effective. As then, only men of
principal and real worth are necessary to end their influence ... the
process was last instituted, on a grand scale, here in 1776, let us hope
it is instituted again, and soon.

Regards,
JS