On Mar 17, 5:31*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
RHF wrote:
Getting From Here To There Requires Clean Coal !

Getting to any logical point in your comments,
however impossible it may turn out to be,
would require a solution to your oxymoronic reference
to "Clean Coal"
--

http://bit.ly/g2PCII

"Clean Coal" is only an 'Oxy+Moron'
*IF* You Are The Latter Using The Former ;;-}}
-wrt- 'Oxy+Moron'

"Clean Coal" is a Relative Term that is a Work
in Progress {Evolving} :
Very Much Cleaner Burning Than 100 Years Ago
Much Cleaner Burning Than 50 Years Ago
More Cleaner Burning Than 25 Years Ago
Coal Coal Technologies Improve Each Year and
Cleaner Coal Burning Is Doable Today with
Refitted 'Improved' Coal Burning Power Planets
and New/Newer Coal Burning Power Planets

What Would You Rather Have A One Foot Cube
{Block} of Nuclear Waste Encased in Glass in
Your Front Room -or- A One Foot Cube {Block}
of Clean Coal Waste Encased in Glass ? ? ?

On Mar 17, 6:43*pm, RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 5:31*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:

RHF wrote:
Getting From Here To There Requires Clean Coal !

Getting to any logical point in your comments,
however impossible it may turn out to be,
would require a solution to your oxymoronic reference
to "Clean Coal"
--

http://bit.ly/g2PCII

"Clean Coal" is only an 'Oxy+Moron'
*IF* You Are The Latter Using The Former ;;-}}
-wrt- 'Oxy+Moron'

"Clean Coal" is a Relative Term that is a Work
in Progress {Evolving} :
Very Much Cleaner Burning Than 100 Years Ago
Much Cleaner Burning Than 50 Years Ago
More Cleaner Burning Than 25 Years Ago
Coal Coal Technologies Improve Each Year and
Cleaner Coal Burning Is Doable Today with
Refitted 'Improved' Coal Burning Power Planets
and New/Newer Coal Burning Power Planets

What Would You Rather Have A One Foot Cube
{Block} of Nuclear Waste Encased in Glass in
Your Front Room -or- *A One Foot Cube {Block}
of Clean Coal Waste Encased in Glass ? ? ?
*.
Your Choice : The Real Bad Nasty Nuke "Stuff"
-or- The Relatively Not As Bad Clean Coal "Stuff"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4d72ef494dec66f9
*.
Your Choice : The Real Bad Nasty Nuke "Stuff"
-or- The Relatively Not As Bad Clean Coal "Stuff"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/94e203726a5bb2cb
*.
Your Choice : The Real Bad Nasty Nuke "Stuff"
-or- The Relatively Not As Bad Hydro & Clean Coal "Stuff"http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/c19af421816bd3bb
*.
*.

It still produces excess tons of CO2.

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Radioactive+Coal

Can't win for loseing.
cuhulin

Chunk of California Coastal Highway at Big Sur Falls Into Sea
http://www.rense.com

Ocean Front Property, baby.
What's the name of that movie? 2012, it's becoming Real! Oh, it's a Real
GOOD movie!
All of California breaking up and sliding off into the Sea.
cuhulin

On Mar 18, 4:53*am, Christopher Helms wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:04*pm, bpnjensen wrote:





On Mar 17, 10:18*am, RHF wrote:

On Mar 17, 8:48*am, bpnjensen wrote:

On Mar 16, 4:31*pm, RHF wrote:

On Mar 16, 10:21*am, wrote:

- All that nuke stuff (water leak at Toronto plant,
-http://www.drudgereport.com
-http://www.rense.com

Cuhulin,

So... The Present Day Choice is "The Nuke Stuff"
-or- Clean Burning Coal at 1/10,,, 1/100... 1/1000 ! ! !
The Centuries---Millenniums Long Environmental Pollution

What Do We Do For the Next 10 to 20 to 40 to 80 Years
Until We Get To Some 'Other' Clean Safer More Sustainable
Fuel and Power Source.
-yeah-i-know-sit-in-the-dark-and-freeze-in-the-cold-

Your Choice : The Real 'Bad' Nasty Nuke "Stuff"
-or- The Relatively Not As Bad 'Clean' Coal "Stuff"
-one-or-the-other-for-now-:-
-then-you-can-choose-what's-next...-

and that's the way 'i' see it ~ RHF

Thorium Fission + Solar/Wind + Fusion in 40 years = permanent
solution.

Bruce

? How Do You Shut Down The Un-Safe Deadly Polluting
Nuclear Power Plants Now {Today] An Get To There !

First ? How Do You Shut Down -a- Clean Coal !

Second ? The Un-Safe Deadly Polluting Nuclear Power
Plants Now {Today] *-a- Clean Coal !

Third ? An Get To There -a- Clean Coal !

Wind Takes Up To Much Land : An Is Only A Supplement
Power Source To Some Prime Source Like . . .
Clean Coal !

Solar Takes Up To Much Land : An Is Only A Half-Answer
{Daylight} Power Source To A Full-Time Source Like . . .
Clean Coal !

Thorium Fission Is Still A Source of Nuclear Radiation
And Radiation By Products and Waste -while- Clean
Coal Has Significantly Less of Both.

ROTFL Fusion in 40 years -oh-well- Until Then Clean Coal !

America's Answer Remains for the Next 10 to 20 to 40+
Years -is- Clean Coal - imho ~ RHF
*.
Your Choice : The Real Bad Nasty Nuke "Stuff"
-or- The Relatively Not As Bad Clean Coal "Stuff"http://groups.google..com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/4d72ef494dec66f9
America's Own Clean Coal !
American Jobs In Clean Coal !
America's Energy Independence Is Clean Coal !
Getting From Here To There Requires Clean Coal !
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You must be living in a vacuum.

Thorium = No meltdowns
Thorium = Much lower grade, *much* shorter half-life, MUCH more
manageable wastes.
Thorium = Technology about take off in other countries. AGAIN, the USA
is falling behind.
Thorium = A way to burn existing nuclear waste into less harmful
materials.
Thorium = An eminently abundant fuel supply for 1,000 years.
Thorium = No reehouse emissions at all.

Solar = dropping costs almost daily.
Solar = No greenhouse emissions at all.
Solar = Ability to be placed on every rooftop, parking lot and freeway
in America without damaging other resources. *10,000 square miles (and
dropping daily) will power the entire nation.
Solar = Held back only by oil and coal politics.
Solar = Abundant fuel for more than 1,000,000,000 years.

Fusion = Held back by coal and oil politics.
Fusion = Putting to bed almost all the problems of fission
Fusion = Predicted ablity to be commercial in 50 years if we have the
foresight to fund research.
Fusion = No greehouse emissions at all.
Fusion = Abundant fuel for 16,000,000,000,000 years.

The pieces are in place. *Basically, all we lack right now are
foresight, imagination and the politics to make things actually happen
- you know, all the things that made America Great to start with. Guys
like you, with your prejudices and can't do attitude, hold us back.

Stop looking backward.

A nuclear power plant has got to be the most convoluted, complex, Rube
Goldberg plan for boiling goddamn water that anybody ever came up
with.


Or maybe there are a million steps in the nuclear power process
precisely so somebody can turn a profit every single step of the way.
Maybe it is *deliberately* complicated. It would be pretty cynical to
believe that corporations would gouge, rip off, endanger and generally
screw society over for money. Because we all know that they care.

On 03/17/2011 08:48 AM, bpnjensen wrote:


Thorium Fission + Solar/Wind + Fusion in 40 years = permanent
solution.

Bruce

Up to 40% or more electricity is wasted heating the air around HV
transmission lines. Put PV panels on every rooftop. Use the grid only to
top off batteries if necessary.

McMansions need not apply.

On 03/17/2011 10:18 AM, RHF wrote:

Wind Takes Up To Much Land : An Is Only A Supplement
Power Source To Some Prime Source Like . . .
Clean Coal !

Solar Takes Up To Much Land : An Is Only A Half-Answer
{Daylight} Power Source To A Full-Time Source Like . . .
Clean Coal !

There is no such thing as "clean coal". There is no such thing as "too
much land". Ever driven from Barstow to Kingman?

On 03/17/2011 10:45 AM, wrote:
Not too many years ago, France wanted to shut down some kind of a new
fangled super duper nuke plant.They discovered it would cost them do
much money to shut it down, it was much cheaper to keep it going.
cuhulin

On 03/17/2011 06:43 PM, RHF wrote:

"Clean Coal" is a Relative Term that is a Work
in Progress {Evolving} :
Very Much Cleaner Burning Than 100 Years Ago
Much Cleaner Burning Than 50 Years Ago
More Cleaner Burning Than 25 Years Ago
Coal Coal Technologies Improve Each Year and
Cleaner Coal Burning Is Doable Today with
Refitted 'Improved' Coal Burning Power Planets
and New/Newer Coal Burning Power Planets

On 03/17/2011 09:27 PM, wrote:
Chunk of California Coastal Highway at Big Sur Falls Into Sea
http://www.rense.com

Ocean Front Property, baby.
What's the name of that movie? 2012, it's becoming Real! Oh, it's a Real
GOOD movie!
All of California breaking up and sliding off into the Sea.
cuhulin


There are other parts of the state that get bigger.