On May 9, 11:15*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/9/2011 10:05 PM, joeturn wrote:

*...
Those beams at Ground Zero were cut with torches AFTER the collapse by
workers cleaning up the debris, kooker. There are PHOTOS and VIDEOS of
them doing this. You are STUPID BEYOND BELIEF.- Hide quoted text -

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Like this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO7SvhYI_0Y&NR=1

Best thing about that video, it was BEFORE the cleanup crew comes in to
clean up!

Actually it was after, but please keep you kook on, Johnny!

BWAAAAAHAAAHAAAHAHAAAA!!

Those are first responder firemen on the scene in that one! *NOT
demolition employees ...

BWAHAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!!!! Johnny KQQK "thinks" firefighters all left at
9 pm on Sept. 11 and didn't ever come back.

* plonk *!!

On 5/10/2011 2:12 AM, joeturn wrote:

Using the FBI released five frames clearly shows a missile.They just
simply did not do good enough a hachet job on it before they released
it!

Huh?

Why would the FBI release something so carelessly? Why would they
release something that would prove they were lying? Why would they shoot
themselves in the foot?

You are saying on the one hand that they are smart enough to realize the
film needs doctoring, but on the other hand, they weren't smart enough
to remove what they realized needed doctoring.

Thanks for proving once again that the two most common things in the
universe are hydrogen and stupidity...and I'll give you a clue: we ain't
talkin' hydrogen. :-(

In article 4e8311e1-8144-456d-8037-
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says...

On May 10, 1:57*am, John Smith wrote:
On 5/9/2011 10:53 PM, joeturn wrote:





On May 10, 1:34 am, John *wrote:
On 5/9/2011 10:29 PM, joeturn wrote:

...
I know for a fact an Ironworker wont cut a column on an angle rather
than straight through because of the time it would take.Who would want
to spend soo much time in all that heat and asbestos dust,when they
could cut the shortest and quicker path and move on to the next cut,a
junkyard man has better since that that!

Ever fall a tree with a chainsaw?

Same angled cut is used to control the direction of fall, else the
worker cutting a long beam is likely to be endangered having to scramble
out of its' way.

No, people cutting beams with a torch would be just as likely to make
angled cuts as demolition workers, and for the same reasons, to control
the direction of movement. *With the demolition expert, he is attempting
to shift the building in a predetermined direction, in the case of the
torch/cutter, he is attempting a fall in a predetermined direction ...
neither adds nor subtracts from existing evidence and proof.

But, like I said, those are first responders on the scene, those beams
are cut at angles, and the cleanup crew hasn't gotten there yet ...

Regards,
JS

Thermite was not used for its ability to cause an explosion or to blow
the building apart it was used strickly because of its instantanious
cutting ability in incentarary devices and very quite no loud
explosions.

This is what NIST tried to pull off,to explain away the level of noise
needed to blow a building up. It only had to be loud enough to burn
the columns into! The sheeple swallowed the loud explosion part and
this fed their fancy.

If you quietly cut all the vertical support columns then a minor
explosion creating a jolt would set off the collapse!

Yeah, I see that has nothing to do with the angle of the cuts I was
explaining ... and, we need an independent investigation, not your opinions.

Regards,
JS- Hide quoted text -

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Who would you get to except a truy investigation. Your National
Socialist Government is in control of what cases goes to court! Trying
to get this idea of yours to declare justice against your Government
is a federal offense and you would be convicted of treason!

Hows that for an opinion?

Well, it's just as crazy as I would expect from a total lunatic,
WrongTurnJoe.

--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

In article 01ecb785-8e10-4f75-8622-6b16f4f9dd20
@j23g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, says...

On May 10, 1:07*am, "Scout"
wrote:
"joeturn" wrote in message

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On May 9, 7:15 pm, "Scout"
wrote:
"joeturn" wrote in message

...

On May 7, 3:57 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
John Smith wrote:

On 5/6/2011 11:14 AM, Jah Wobble wrote:

...
Right.. and NOTHING in the building was flamable and the sprinklers
were
in perfect working order.
You retard.

I wonder who placed the demolitions in the building so precise and
so
undercover, that the THOUSANDS of people that work there 24/7,
never
saw
anything going on. Any idear, you retard?

Burnt off in 15 minutes!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

Normal high-rise fires containing all that NEVER melt iron nor leave
nano thermite residue.

The residues of thermite are iron and aluminum oxide. *THE most
common metals used in high-rise construction.

--
Ray Fischer * * * * | *Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
*| *The new GOP ideal- Hide quoted text -

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but if they have been combined with barrium they form sphears which is
a tale tell sign of thermate use.

Really? I've got all sorts of metal slag spheres around our burning
table,
and oddly enough not only do we not use thermite, there is not barrium
used
in the cutting process. Just good old natural gas and oxygen.

So please support your claim that spheres automatically mean barrium and
thermite.

Oh, that's right, you don't do proof for your assertions.- Hide quoted
text -

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You felled to connect the dots spheres that are made from iron and
sulfer that do contain barrium is the tell tell sign that Thermate was
used!

You cutting torch would take mega time to cut through vertical columns
this is why natural gas and oxygen torches are not used for controlled
demolition.

Actually, they are. A LOT. In fact in most controlled demolition they are
used.

Even in explosive controlled demolition much of the prep work is done via
these exact sort of cutting torches.

I really suggest you need to STFU and quit simply embarrassing yourself with
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I think your getting embarrist with your Government Shill training
They did not program you to be able to think for yourself and getting
your replys butched is flustrating you!

BWHAHAHHA! That's a good one Joe! At least, if I understood it, it was.

Totally off the wall crazy, as always.

--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

In article 014e5b26-1c75-4d1f-be78-ed0626c06518
@r27g2000prr.googlegroups.com, says...

On May 10, 12:18*am, BDK wrote:
In article 7059f16f-5fe7-497d-8c34-4baae6a612d7
@k22g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...





On May 9, wrote:
On May 9, 6:17*pm, joeturn wrote:

On May 9, 7:15*pm, "Scout"
wrote:

"joeturn" wrote in message

...

On May 7, 3:57 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
John Smith wrote:

On 5/6/2011 11:14 AM, Jah Wobble wrote:

...
Right.. and NOTHING in the building was flamable and the sprinklers
were
in perfect working order.
You retard.

I wonder who placed the demolitions in the building so precise and so
undercover, that the THOUSANDS of people that work there 24/7, never
saw
anything going on. Any idear, you retard?

Burnt off in 15 minutes!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

Normal high-rise fires containing all that NEVER melt iron nor leave
nano thermite residue.

The residues of thermite are iron and aluminum oxide. *THE most
common metals used in high-rise construction.

--
Ray Fischer * * * * | *Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
*| *The new GOP ideal- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but if they have been combined with barrium they form sphears which is
a tale tell sign of thermate use.

Really? I've got all sorts of metal slag spheres around our burning table,
and oddly enough not only do we not use thermite, there is not barrium used
in the cutting process. Just good old natural gas and oxygen.

So please support your claim that spheres automatically mean barrium and
thermite.

Oh, that's right, you don't do proof for your assertions.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You felled to connect the dots spheres that are made from iron and
sulfer that do contain barrium is the tell tell sign that Thermate was
used!

It is a complete physical impossibility for thermite to do what
happened to those buildings. It's not possible. FULL STOP!

You cutting torch would take mega time to cut through vertical columns
this is why natural gas and oxygen torches are not used for controlled
demolition.

Thermite is not used in controlled demolition, ever.

During a controlled demolition the columns are fitted with a yoke that
contains the thermite

There is no thermite in controlled demolition, RockHead.

and holds it on the targeted column on about a
45 degree angle. This angle cut allows the top part to slip off its
base and drop straight down. You can see clear pictures of these
angled cuts on the columns. You would never use your torch to cut an
angled cut on a beam unless it was for a specific outcome.

Those beams at Ground Zero were cut with torches AFTER the collapse by
workers cleaning up the debris, kooker. There are PHOTOS and VIDEOS of
them doing this. You are STUPID BEYOND BELIEF.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Like this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO7SvhYI_0Y&NR=1

You really are stupid beyond belief. I love it.

He IS pure Komedy Gold, innit he? He is MUCH more amusing than Johnny
KQQK since WrongTurnJoe is too stupid to know he's stupid, more like
an innocent child. Johnny, however, had grown dull and lost his
comedic edge.

Yeah, Joe is deep into the kookdumb, Johnny KQQK is just really stupid.
He's not the comedian he used to be.

--
BDK- Top of the government shill heap for over 10 years running!

"John Smith" wrote in message
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On 5/9/2011 10:29 PM, joeturn wrote:

...
I know for a fact an Ironworker wont cut a column on an angle rather
than straight through because of the time it would take.Who would want
to spend soo much time in all that heat and asbestos dust,when they
could cut the shortest and quicker path and move on to the next cut,a
junkyard man has better since that that!

Ever fall a tree with a chainsaw?

Same angled cut is used to control the direction of fall, else the worker
cutting a long beam is likely to be endangered having to scramble out of
its' way.

No, people cutting beams with a torch would be just as likely to make
angled cuts as demolition workers, and for the same reasons, to control
the direction of movement. With the demolition expert, he is attempting
to shift the building in a predetermined direction, in the case of the
torch/cutter, he is attempting a fall in a predetermined direction ...
neither adds nor subtracts from existing evidence and proof.

But, like I said, those are first responders on the scene, those beams are
cut at angles, and the cleanup crew hasn't gotten there yet ...

Really? Please present your evidence they are first responders and NOT
firemen who were regularly on the scene after the cleanup operations began.

"Iarnrod" wrote in message
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On May 10, 12:33 am, joeturn wrote:
On May 10, 1:07 am, "Scout"



wrote:
"joeturn" wrote in message

...

On May 9, 7:15 pm, "Scout"

wrote:
"joeturn" wrote in message

...

On May 7, 3:57 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
John Smith wrote:

On 5/6/2011 11:14 AM, Jah Wobble wrote:

...
Right.. and NOTHING in the building was flamable and the
sprinklers
were
in perfect working order.
You retard.

I wonder who placed the demolitions in the building so precise
and
so
undercover, that the THOUSANDS of people that work there 24/7,
never
saw
anything going on. Any idear, you retard?

Burnt off in 15 minutes!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

Normal high-rise fires containing all that NEVER melt iron nor
leave
nano thermite residue.

The residues of thermite are iron and aluminum oxide. THE most
common metals used in high-rise construction.

--
Ray Fischer | Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
| The new GOP ideal- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but if they have been combined with barrium they form sphears
which is
a tale tell sign of thermate use.

Really? I've got all sorts of metal slag spheres around our burning
table,
and oddly enough not only do we not use thermite, there is not
barrium
used
in the cutting process. Just good old natural gas and oxygen.

So please support your claim that spheres automatically mean barrium
and
thermite.

Oh, that's right, you don't do proof for your assertions.- Hide
quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

You felled to connect the dots spheres that are made from iron and
sulfer that do contain barrium is the tell tell sign that Thermate
was
used!

You cutting torch would take mega time to cut through vertical
columns
this is why natural gas and oxygen torches are not used for
controlled
demolition.

Actually, they are. A LOT. In fact in most controlled demolition they
are
used.

Even in explosive controlled demolition much of the prep work is done
via
these exact sort of cutting torches.

This brings us to the B-thing buch (Israely Art Students)they stayed
in there for a year and a half rent free gutting the building or do
you think they(Bushes Security Employees) took out as much support as
they could while doing their mantinance.There was very little office
equiptment plumbing,wiring,carpet,cell phones,ect in the debree pile!

Scott my audience needs to know these things,you cant do them justise
your just a simple steel worker with no knowledge of controlled
demolition except that which NIST taught you!

Since you have no idea of who I am, much less my professional knowledge and
experience, I can only assume this is your conspiracy theorist stupidity
talking here.


How loud does a linear cutting charge have to be to cut through a box
column!

Quite loud actually since you will require several cutting charges each one
containing a rather large volume of high explosive. Not going to be very
quiet when you detonate and you would probably be rattling windows in NJ
from the concussion.


Torches are used in prep work occasionally

So when you said they weren't used, you are admitting you were dead wrong?

but not for cutting the
support columns

Actually they will cut whatever needs to be cut. Which can even include
support columns.

and they certainly dont use nap gas.

I've certainly not heard of them using "nap gas". I've seen them use
propane, acetylene, LPG and even MAPP, but never heard or seen of "nap gas"
being used.



Please stop smoking crack, WrongTurnJoe. Your poor suffering momma
can't take any more!

On May 10, 8:48*am, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 5/10/2011 2:12 AM, joeturn wrote:

Using the FBI released five frames clearly shows a missile.They just
simply did not do good enough a hachet job on it before they released
it!

Huh?

Why would the FBI release something so carelessly? Why would they
release something that would prove they were lying? Why would they shoot
themselves in the foot?

You are saying on the one hand that they are smart enough to realize the
film needs doctoring, but on the other hand, they weren't smart enough
to remove what they realized needed doctoring.

Thanks for proving once again that the two most common things in the
universe are hydrogen and stupidity...and I'll give you a clue: we ain't
talkin' hydrogen. * :-(

Yes to bad for you you dont have any evidence of hydrogen in your DNA
but plenty of stupidity. Good observation though!

On May 10, 5:54*pm, "Scout"
wrote:
"Iarnrod" wrote in message

...





On May 10, 12:33 am, joeturn wrote:
On May 10, 1:07 am, "Scout"

wrote:
"joeturn" wrote in message

...

On May 9, 7:15 pm, "Scout"

wrote:
"joeturn" wrote in message

...

On May 7, 3:57 pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
John Smith wrote:

On 5/6/2011 11:14 AM, Jah Wobble wrote:

...
Right.. and NOTHING in the building was flamable and the
sprinklers
were
in perfect working order.
You retard.

I wonder who placed the demolitions in the building so precise
and
so
undercover, that the THOUSANDS of people that work there 24/7,
never
saw
anything going on. Any idear, you retard?

Burnt off in 15 minutes!
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAA!

Normal high-rise fires containing all that NEVER melt iron nor
leave
nano thermite residue.

The residues of thermite are iron and aluminum oxide. *THE most
common metals used in high-rise construction.

--
Ray Fischer * * * * | *Mendacracy (n.) government by lying
*| *The new GOP ideal- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

but if they have been combined with barrium they form sphears
which is
a tale tell sign of thermate use.

Really? I've got all sorts of metal slag spheres around our burning
table,
and oddly enough not only do we not use thermite, there is not
barrium
used
in the cutting process. Just good old natural gas and oxygen.

So please support your claim that spheres automatically mean barrium
and
thermite.

Oh, that's right, you don't do proof for your assertions.- Hide
quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

You felled to connect the dots spheres that are made from iron and
sulfer that do contain barrium is the tell tell sign that Thermate
was
used!

You cutting torch would take mega time to cut through vertical
columns
this is why natural gas and oxygen torches are not used for
controlled
demolition.

Actually, they are. A LOT. In fact in most controlled demolition they
are
used.

Even in explosive controlled demolition much of the prep work is done
via
these exact sort of cutting torches.

This brings us to the B-thing buch (Israely Art Students)they stayed
in there for a year and a half rent free gutting the building or do
you think they(Bushes Security Employees) took out as much support as
they could while doing their mantinance.There was very little office
equiptment plumbing,wiring,carpet,cell phones,ect in the debree pile!

Scott my audience needs to know these things,you cant do them justise
your just a simple steel worker with no knowledge of controlled
demolition except that which NIST taught you!

Since you have no idea of who I am, much less my professional knowledge and
experience, I can only assume this is your conspiracy theorist stupidity
talking here.

How loud does a linear cutting charge have to be to cut through a box
column!

Quite loud actually since you will require several cutting charges each one
containing a rather large volume of high explosive. Not going to be very
quiet when you detonate and you would probably be rattling windows in NJ
from the concussion.

Torches are used in prep work occasionally

So when you said they weren't used, you are admitting you were dead wrong?

but not for cutting the
support columns

Actually they will cut whatever needs to be cut. Which can even include
support columns.

and they certainly dont use nap gas.

I've certainly not heard of them using "nap gas". I've seen them use
propane, acetylene, LPG and even MAPP, but never heard or seen of "nap gas"
being used.



Please stop smoking crack, WrongTurnJoe. Your poor suffering momma
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nap gas is your natural in your cutting torch,funny with all your many
many years of expertise you did not know that?

I'm beging tho think your nothing but a grunt the one that sweeps the
floor and have no knowlege what so ever of controlled demolition other
than what NIST told you. Detonaters to set off the cutter charges of
theremate are not loud at all they depend on their ability to ignite
not there explosive quality.

Compared to a roman candle/sparkler vrs dynamite/ect.

On 5/10/2011 9:01 PM, joeturn wrote:

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NO!

But, they will know about MAP Gas!

If you wish to even fool the children as to your being "professional",
get the name of the gas right!

Regards,
JS- Hide quoted text -

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So you have became a spell checker,well good I'll have youproffread my
book before I release it!

OK!

I'll admit it, I was a bit anal about the "nap gas" thing ... just glad
you corrected it ... thanks! :-)

Regards,
JS