On 05/13/2011 07:38 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
And I also think there is a distinct possibility that events in the
future can determine events in the past -- that timespace folds back
upon itself, like a variation of Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, or, as
our ancestors believed, time is cyclical.
If you've had de jevu, you know reality is not all its cracked up to be.

On 5/13/2011 11:48 AM, Day Brown wrote:
On 05/12/2011 08:06 PM, John Smith wrote:
Whatever intelligence that/would has/have "emerged out of primordial
chaos" is God, DUH. Unless God has a mate, which he, she, or anyone
else, for that matter, has not mentioned, any application of he/she
would be meaningless, at least to myself.
The original Aryan cosmology had it that Chaos was primordial. But
eventually, inevitably, what we call a 'self replicating sequence', Gaia
emerged. But because replication is not perfect, She evolved to the
point of reaching sentience and then differentiating Herself from Chaos
and Maya (the physical universe).

Life forms that give birth without male fertilization are parthenogenic
mothers. Which is why Gaia is female. And why Athena was in the Parthenon.

Accidents only happen when humans are involved ... undoubtedly, the
universe is unfolding just as it should in a way of "proper and good"
which is above our judgment, intervention and manipulation.
That it is, is one thing, that it should, is another. I dunno.

I don't believe "evolution", in the grand scheme of things, is a stand
alone item, rather just a designed function of the grand design.

Whenever you see a pile of rocks, it is impossible to determine if
nature or man has piled those rocks.

However, when you see a pile of rocks which look like, and serves all
the functions of a castle, you can damn well be certain it is man made
... so does God leave such signatures ...
What passes for reality is made up of Fractal algorithms, a combination of
the laws of Mother Nature and random chaotic input.


I don't subscribe to newage mags, thanks anyway ...

.... plonk ...

Regards,
JS

On May 12, 3:51*pm, RHF wrote:
On May 9, 1:30*pm, bpnjensen wrote:









OK, so you guys have heard of Family Radio, no doubt. *Their studios
are just 10 miles from where I live and their main transmitter on HF
is in Okeedokee, er Okeechbee, Florida. *Harold Camping, the founder
and genius behind Family Radio, has predicted with stunning accuracy
and without overt prophecy from the Almighty, that the rapture will
occur on May 21, 2011, although we cannot yet tell if it will be
before or after lunch.

Anyway, so I'm groovin' along down the street after having gotten a
sandwich (vegetarian, of course - God loves animals and does not enjoy
seeing them harmed needlessly) and soft drink, and what do I spy but a
Family Radio minivan with two very friendly chaps setting up a sign
that sayeth, "Judgment Day May 21, 2011." *I stop and smile knowingly
at this, and one of them energetically hands me several "End Times"
brochures and a handful of spanking new full-color business cards with
glossy overcoat that also declare as much.

Well - What can I say? *What can I do? *I am dumbfounded and amused as
I, an ordinary shortwave radio enthusiast and occasional listener to
the Family Radio interval signal (as it covers up the desired signals
from Pakistan or Bhutan), am CHOSEN by Harold Camping's hand-selected
assistants to receive the Word and also to pass out the Word on fancy
little business cards! *It must be a sign, a revelation, a not-so-
subtle message from the great beyond that, for the next 12 days, it is
my predestiny to proseletyze profoundly on this preposterously proven
prostitution, er, I mean, postulation.

So there you have it, the story of my improbable conversion to TBOTET
(True Believer of the End Times) and chosen cherub of chicanery. *I
will have photos up of the business cards later so that you, too, can
become a convert. *(These cards will also be nice souvenirs of
interesting times when we reach May 22, 2011 without substantial
transsubstantiation ;-)

Somebody's humble servant (we won't say whose ;-),
Bruce Jensen (CA - USA)

Brother Star was a Preaching -a'gin- Brother Camping
last night on the Shortwave Radio on 5890 kHz WWCR
saying ONLY a Prophet-of-God could predict the Last
Day; and that Brother Camping was not a prophet.

The Overcomer Ministry with Brother Stair [PoG]http://www.overcomerministry.org/
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Transmitter # 4 for the Overcomer Ministry with
Brother Stair [PoG] 5890 & 9890 kHz
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On 5/13/2011 2:48 PM, Day Brown wrote:
[...]
The original Aryan cosmology had it that Chaos was primordial. But
eventually, inevitably, what we call a 'self replicating sequence',
Gaia emerged. But because replication is not perfect, She evolved to
the point of reaching sentience and then differentiating Herself
from Chaos and Maya (the physical universe).

Life forms that give birth without male fertilization are
parthenogenic mothers. Which is why Gaia is female. And why Athena
was in the Parthenon.




George Bernard Shaw looked at evolutionary history and the evolution
of sex, and said that the female obviously invented the male for her
own purposes.

I am not so sure that's literally true, but there is an insight
there for those who can grasp it.



[...]
What passes for reality is made up of Fractal algorithms, a
combination of
the laws of Mother Nature and random chaotic input.




I think the way it happens is that below a certain size and below a
certain minuscule time interval, space and time are not continuous.
They are granular. In other words, there are irreducible steps with
nothing in between them.

Therefore particles behave very differently in very small dimensions
than they do otherwise. Their behavior cannot be individually
predicted, just statistically.

Apply a force precisely calculated to move a particle from position
1 to position 2.5 -- but if there's _no such thing_ as position 2.5,
and positions 2 and 3 are the only possibilities, what do you get?
Particles that go to position 2 half of the time and position 3 the
other half. (That's wildly simplified, but you get the idea.)

That _seems_ chaotic, and on those small scales perhaps it is.


With every good wish,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

On May 18, 6:42*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/18/2011 6:34 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"

How deep is a rabbit hole...?

Quite shallow!

Life on earth is the only example of itself ... at least at this present
time.

Nothing in all of our view of the universe before us, earth, mars, moon,
other planets, etc. would lead one to believe that life can "just happen
by accident." *"Spontaneous Generation", or life "just happening" was
tried as a theory, long ago, although it still has its' followers, it
has simply grown into a religion which would have one make a leap of
faith against all logical thought and reason to believe ... end of story.

Therefore, and borne out by occams' razor, the most likely explanation
is that an intelligence created us ... and the question becomes, where
did that intelligence come from ... and now, we search ...

Regards,
JS

Rejoice a/o Repent or just... Never Mind :

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On May 20, 2:26*am, harry k wrote:

Probably all sequestured in the brains of people who don't understand
the ToE and have no desire to learn.

Actually think of the advantages.
No more godbotherers, no more knocks on the door by a leaflet wielding
pillock asking "do you know god ?"

All the other nutbars (religions) can then quietly fade into obscurity
and we, the lucky billions, can get on with the one way journey
through life

On May 19, 1:23*am, RHF wrote:
On May 18, 6:42*pm, John Smith wrote:









On 5/18/2011 6:34 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"

How deep is a rabbit hole...?

Quite shallow!

Life on earth is the only example of itself ... at least at this present
time.

Nothing in all of our view of the universe before us, earth, mars, moon,
other planets, etc. would lead one to believe that life can "just happen
by accident." *"Spontaneous Generation", or life "just happening" was
tried as a theory, long ago, although it still has its' followers, it
has simply grown into a religion which would have one make a leap of
faith against all logical thought and reason to believe ... end of story.

Therefore, and borne out by occams' razor, the most likely explanation
is that an intelligence created us ... and the question becomes, where
did that intelligence come from ... and now, we search ...

Regards,
JS

Rejoice a/o Repent or just... Never Mind :

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In sci.skeptic RHF wrote:
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Since we were all assured things would happen around the world
on May 21, here it is 30 mins to May 21 and my "Thank God
Its the Apocalypse" party is -- to put it frankly -- a little quiet.

Maybe it's because there haven't been any decent earthquakes for
24 hrs (we were planning to boo every quake as they were registered
at the USGS website under a mag 9; but nothing has popped up for quite
a few hours). Or maybe it's just that "20 minutes after the hour" thing.

--
Ain't going to happen because there is no raw 'uncorrupted' data.
-- george

On 5/20/2011 9:27 AM, RHF wrote:
On May 19, 1:23 am, RHF wrote:
On May 18, 6:42 pm, John Smith wrote:









On 5/18/2011 6:34 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"

How deep is a rabbit hole...?

Quite shallow!

Life on earth is the only example of itself ... at least at this present
time.

Nothing in all of our view of the universe before us, earth, mars, moon,
other planets, etc. would lead one to believe that life can "just happen
by accident." "Spontaneous Generation", or life "just happening" was
tried as a theory, long ago, although it still has its' followers, it
has simply grown into a religion which would have one make a leap of
faith against all logical thought and reason to believe ... end of story.

Therefore, and borne out by occams' razor, the most likely explanation
is that an intelligence created us ... and the question becomes, where
did that intelligence come from ... and now, we search ...

Regards,
JS

Rejoice a/o Repent or just... Never Mind :

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What does your date planner look like on May 22, 2011.

On May 19, 6:57*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote:
On 5/19/2011 4:23 AM, RHF wrote:





On May 18, 6:42 pm, John Smith wrote:
On 5/18/2011 6:34 PM, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"

How deep is a rabbit hole...?

Quite shallow!

Life on earth is the only example of itself ... at least at this present
time.

Nothing in all of our view of the universe before us, earth, mars, moon,
other planets, etc. would lead one to believe that life can "just happen
by accident." *"Spontaneous Generation", or life "just happening" was
tried as a theory, long ago, although it still has its' followers, it
has simply grown into a religion which would have one make a leap of
faith against all logical thought and reason to believe ... end of story.

Therefore, and borne out by occams' razor, the most likely explanation
is that an intelligence created us ...

Nothing tells us enough to have enough information for either theory and
Occums Razor needs enough information to apply it.

In this case we are short on facts for either assumption.

No one has a simple proof there is no God and no one has proof there is
a God. *Leaving the same fate to the spontaneous life theory....

The question is.... *if life was started when the Earth was one billion
years old, why hasn't it been started with new and different DNA again
in the last three billion years?

If Life was started "successfully" in the last 4 billion years, how many
times was it started unsuccessfully in the last 4 billion years. By that
I mean that if life was started that can and did have DNA *to reproduce
how many times did life get started with different DNA that couldn't
reproduce? If it took Billions of "life creations" to start life that
could reproduce, where are the billions of failed "life" that we have
never seen because they have DNA that's different and can't reproduce?

Evolution means that there are many failed and many variations in the
many streams of DNA in life. Where are they?

What has the universe produced only one of? Einstein predicted that
there may even be multiple universes. It seems odd that there is only
one type of reproducing DNA based life all from one common start of life
three billion years ago. All the elements are still here waiting to
start new life(reproducing and NON-reproducing) and should be doing so
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It is scientifically and logically impossible to prove that there is
no God. One of the primary tenets of logic, regardless of the topic,
is that the null hypothesis cannot be proven. The full burden of
proof rests on those who make the extraordinary claim to begin with.
Arguing about "trying to prove the existence or nonexistence of God"
is a waste of time for people who are unfamiliar with either science
or logic.

It is purely a matter of faith, and throwing around DNA arguments like
these above is just unscientific nonsense.

Bruce Jensen