On 5/12/2011 12:08 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except
in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"


With every good wish,


Kevin, WB4AIO.

I would say you make the exact mistake which the narrow minded make
on any given subject.

You think yourself to know, things which you cannot possibly know,
yet, with the present state of knowledge.

Any race which would visit us and suggest they where "GODS", and
were but a few thousand years ahead of us, 5,000 - 10,000, would be
entirely able to convince us they were "GODS" -- their technology
would simply allow them to do all the things which "GODS" do.

I see the possibility that where it would be possible for a race to
be a billion years ahead of us, give or take.

And, the inception, the creation, the very first living organism,
even if single celled, requires so many factors, and so many
extremely complex design considerations, to have all come together
all within a very time critical period, and in such an exactly
defined technical arrangement and order, as too virtually, at least
in our present state of understanding, be strongly suggestive that
some form of higher intelligence was involved in our design and
creation.

And, if I am correct in my analysis, Einstein was an agnostic -- he
simply knew he didn't know enough, yet ...

Regards,
JS



Well, even if you're right about all that -- and you may be -- that
doesn't change the fact that the small fraction of the thousands of
crazy Middle Eastern miracle books that the dominant sect chose as
"canonical" are about as likely to be uniquely inspired by God as
are the collected works of the Amazing Kreskin.


With my best regards,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

On 5/12/2011 10:31 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
On 5/12/2011 12:08 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except
in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"


With every good wish,


Kevin, WB4AIO.

I would say you make the exact mistake which the narrow minded make
on any given subject.

You think yourself to know, things which you cannot possibly know,
yet, with the present state of knowledge.

Any race which would visit us and suggest they where "GODS", and
were but a few thousand years ahead of us, 5,000 - 10,000, would be
entirely able to convince us they were "GODS" -- their technology
would simply allow them to do all the things which "GODS" do.

I see the possibility that where it would be possible for a race to
be a billion years ahead of us, give or take.

And, the inception, the creation, the very first living organism,
even if single celled, requires so many factors, and so many
extremely complex design considerations, to have all come together
all within a very time critical period, and in such an exactly
defined technical arrangement and order, as too virtually, at least
in our present state of understanding, be strongly suggestive that
some form of higher intelligence was involved in our design and
creation.

And, if I am correct in my analysis, Einstein was an agnostic -- he
simply knew he didn't know enough, yet ...

Regards,
JS



Well, even if you're right about all that -- and you may be -- that
doesn't change the fact that the small fraction of the thousands of
crazy Middle Eastern miracle books that the dominant sect chose as
"canonical" are about as likely to be uniquely inspired by God as are
the collected works of the Amazing Kreskin.


With my best regards,


Kevin Alfred Strom.

There is no proof that the bible was "divinely inspired", at the present
time, I can't imagine where such proof could be had -- for that a leap
of faith is required ... one I have great difficulty in making, though I
keep an open mind, and looking ...

I am just able to manage, a mind greater than our own is a likely
candidate for our existence.

Regards,
JS

On May 9, 1:30*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
OK, so you guys have heard of Family Radio, no doubt. *Their studios
are just 10 miles from where I live and their main transmitter on HF
is in Okeedokee, er Okeechbee, Florida. *Harold Camping, the founder
and genius behind Family Radio, has predicted with stunning accuracy
and without overt prophecy from the Almighty, that the rapture will
occur on May 21, 2011, although we cannot yet tell if it will be
before or after lunch.

Anyway, so I'm groovin' along down the street after having gotten a
sandwich (vegetarian, of course - God loves animals and does not enjoy
seeing them harmed needlessly) and soft drink, and what do I spy but a
Family Radio minivan with two very friendly chaps setting up a sign
that sayeth, "Judgment Day May 21, 2011." *I stop and smile knowingly
at this, and one of them energetically hands me several "End Times"
brochures and a handful of spanking new full-color business cards with
glossy overcoat that also declare as much.

Well - What can I say? *What can I do? *I am dumbfounded and amused as
I, an ordinary shortwave radio enthusiast and occasional listener to
the Family Radio interval signal (as it covers up the desired signals
from Pakistan or Bhutan), am CHOSEN by Harold Camping's hand-selected
assistants to receive the Word and also to pass out the Word on fancy
little business cards! *It must be a sign, a revelation, a not-so-
subtle message from the great beyond that, for the next 12 days, it is
my predestiny to proseletyze profoundly on this preposterously proven
prostitution, er, I mean, postulation.

So there you have it, the story of my improbable conversion to TBOTET
(True Believer of the End Times) and chosen cherub of chicanery. *I
will have photos up of the business cards later so that you, too, can
become a convert. *(These cards will also be nice souvenirs of
interesting times when we reach May 22, 2011 without substantial
transsubstantiation ;-)

Somebody's humble servant (we won't say whose ;-),
Bruce Jensen (CA - USA)

Brother Star was a Preaching -a'gin- Brother Camping
last night on the Shortwave Radio on 5890 kHz WWCR
saying ONLY a Prophet-of-God could predict the Last
Day; and that Brother Camping was not a prophet.

The Overcomer Ministry with Brother Stair [PoG]
http://www.overcomerministry.org/

On 5/12/2011 3:51 PM, RHF wrote:
On May 9, 1:30 pm, wrote:
OK, so you guys have heard of Family Radio, no doubt. Their studios
are just 10 miles from where I live and their main transmitter on HF
is in Okeedokee, er Okeechbee, Florida. Harold Camping, the founder
and genius behind Family Radio, has predicted with stunning accuracy
and without overt prophecy from the Almighty, that the rapture will
occur on May 21, 2011, although we cannot yet tell if it will be
before or after lunch.

Anyway, so I'm groovin' along down the street after having gotten a
sandwich (vegetarian, of course - God loves animals and does not enjoy
seeing them harmed needlessly) and soft drink, and what do I spy but a
Family Radio minivan with two very friendly chaps setting up a sign
that sayeth, "Judgment Day May 21, 2011." I stop and smile knowingly
at this, and one of them energetically hands me several "End Times"
brochures and a handful of spanking new full-color business cards with
glossy overcoat that also declare as much.

Well - What can I say? What can I do? I am dumbfounded and amused as
I, an ordinary shortwave radio enthusiast and occasional listener to
the Family Radio interval signal (as it covers up the desired signals
from Pakistan or Bhutan), am CHOSEN by Harold Camping's hand-selected
assistants to receive the Word and also to pass out the Word on fancy
little business cards! It must be a sign, a revelation, a not-so-
subtle message from the great beyond that, for the next 12 days, it is
my predestiny to proseletyze profoundly on this preposterously proven
prostitution, er, I mean, postulation.

So there you have it, the story of my improbable conversion to TBOTET
(True Believer of the End Times) and chosen cherub of chicanery. I
will have photos up of the business cards later so that you, too, can
become a convert. (These cards will also be nice souvenirs of
interesting times when we reach May 22, 2011 without substantial
transsubstantiation ;-)

Somebody's humble servant (we won't say whose ;-),
Bruce Jensen (CA - USA)

Brother Star was a Preaching -a'gin- Brother Camping
last night on the Shortwave Radio on 5890 kHz WWCR
saying ONLY a Prophet-of-God could predict the Last
Day; and that Brother Camping was not a prophet.

The Overcomer Ministry with Brother Stair [PoG]
http://www.overcomerministry.org/
.
WWCR Shortwave Program Schedule
http://www.wwcr.com/program-guides/W...gram_Guide.pdf
Transmitter # 4 for the Overcomer Ministry with
Brother Stair [PoG] 5890& 9890 kHz
.
WYFR : Family Radio World Wide with Brother Camping
http://www.familyradio.com/index2.html
* The Judgement Day 21 Mayo 2011 {Commercial}
http://www.familyradio.com/may21/
.
yes - i heard hear it on the short-wavy ray-di-oh ~ RHF
Twain Harte, CA -USA- : http://tinyurl.com/2fn6xog
Grundig Satellit 800-M Receiver
.
Shortwave Listener QSL Reports : http://tinyurl.com/2d9qlq
http://www.google.com/group/shortwav...er-qsl-reports
.
- = 2FN6XOG = -& - = 2D9QLQ = -
.
.

I would think that those who claim the bible is correct would correctly
stay to its' claims ... no MAN is to know, unless the prophet is some
angel or alien, they seem to only mock themselves!

Regards,
JS

On 05/12/2011 05:49 PM, John Smith wrote:
There is no proof that the bible was "divinely inspired", at the present
time, I can't imagine where such proof could be had -- for that a leap
of faith is required ... one I have great difficulty in making, though I
keep an open mind, and looking ...

I am just able to manage, a mind greater than our own is a likely
candidate for our existence.
The first thing the Levantine god said was "Let there be light".
The first thing Aryan Gaia said was :"Oooops!"

The Levantine god is dead because like a stone, he does not change.
Gaia is alive because like all live, She is evolving. She does not
really know what She had in mind at the start when She emerged out of
primordial Chaos, and has been winging it ever since.

That we are here is an accident, but we've been making do and growing
up, and now its time to put away childish visions of a father god.

On 5/12/2011 5:45 PM, Day Brown wrote:

...
The first thing the Levantine god said was "Let there be light".
The first thing Aryan Gaia said was :"Oooops!"

The Levantine god is dead because like a stone, he does not change.
Gaia is alive because like all live, She is evolving. She does not
really know what She had in mind at the start when She emerged out of
primordial Chaos, and has been winging it ever since.

That we are here is an accident, but we've been making do and growing
up, and now its time to put away childish visions of a father god.

Whatever intelligence that/would has/have "emerged out of primordial
chaos" is God, DUH. Unless God has a mate, which he, she, or anyone
else, for that matter, has not mentioned, any application of he/she
would be meaningless, at least to myself.

Accidents only happen when humans are involved ... undoubtedly, the
universe is unfolding just as it should in a way of "proper and good"
which is above our judgment, intervention and manipulation.

I don't believe "evolution", in the grand scheme of things, is a stand
alone item, rather just a designed function of the grand design.

Whenever you see a pile of rocks, it is impossible to determine if
nature or man has piled those rocks.

However, when you see a pile of rocks which look like, and serves all
the functions of a castle, you can damn well be certain it is man made
.... so does God leave such signatures ...

Regards,
JS

On 5/12/2011 6:49 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 10:31 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
On 5/12/2011 12:08 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except
in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"


With every good wish,


Kevin, WB4AIO.

I would say you make the exact mistake which the narrow minded make
on any given subject.

You think yourself to know, things which you cannot possibly know,
yet, with the present state of knowledge.

Any race which would visit us and suggest they where "GODS", and
were but a few thousand years ahead of us, 5,000 - 10,000, would be
entirely able to convince us they were "GODS" -- their technology
would simply allow them to do all the things which "GODS" do.

I see the possibility that where it would be possible for a race to
be a billion years ahead of us, give or take.

And, the inception, the creation, the very first living organism,
even if single celled, requires so many factors, and so many
extremely complex design considerations, to have all come together
all within a very time critical period, and in such an exactly
defined technical arrangement and order, as too virtually, at least
in our present state of understanding, be strongly suggestive that
some form of higher intelligence was involved in our design and
creation.

And, if I am correct in my analysis, Einstein was an agnostic -- he
simply knew he didn't know enough, yet ...

Regards,
JS



Well, even if you're right about all that -- and you may be -- that
doesn't change the fact that the small fraction of the thousands of
crazy Middle Eastern miracle books that the dominant sect chose as
"canonical" are about as likely to be uniquely inspired by God as are
the collected works of the Amazing Kreskin.


With my best regards,


Kevin Alfred Strom.

There is no proof that the bible was "divinely inspired", at the
present time, I can't imagine where such proof could be had -- for
that a leap of faith is required ... one I have great difficulty in
making, though I keep an open mind, and looking ...

I am just able to manage, a mind greater than our own is a likely
candidate for our existence.

Regards,
JS




Yes. I don't claim to know, but I think that there is a strong
possibility that that mind may only exist in the part of timespace
that we call the future.

And I also think there is a distinct possibility that events in the
future can determine events in the past -- that timespace folds back
upon itself, like a variation of Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, or,
as our ancestors believed, time is cyclical.


With my very best,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

On 5/12/2011 6:49 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 10:31 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
On 5/12/2011 12:08 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except
in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"


With every good wish,


Kevin, WB4AIO.

I would say you make the exact mistake which the narrow minded make
on any given subject.

You think yourself to know, things which you cannot possibly know,
yet, with the present state of knowledge.

Any race which would visit us and suggest they where "GODS", and
were but a few thousand years ahead of us, 5,000 - 10,000, would be
entirely able to convince us they were "GODS" -- their technology
would simply allow them to do all the things which "GODS" do.

I see the possibility that where it would be possible for a race to
be a billion years ahead of us, give or take.

And, the inception, the creation, the very first living organism,
even if single celled, requires so many factors, and so many
extremely complex design considerations, to have all come together
all within a very time critical period, and in such an exactly
defined technical arrangement and order, as too virtually, at least
in our present state of understanding, be strongly suggestive that
some form of higher intelligence was involved in our design and
creation.

And, if I am correct in my analysis, Einstein was an agnostic -- he
simply knew he didn't know enough, yet ...

Regards,
JS



Well, even if you're right about all that -- and you may be -- that
doesn't change the fact that the small fraction of the thousands of
crazy Middle Eastern miracle books that the dominant sect chose as
"canonical" are about as likely to be uniquely inspired by God as are
the collected works of the Amazing Kreskin.


With my best regards,


Kevin Alfred Strom.

There is no proof that the bible was "divinely inspired", at the
present time, I can't imagine where such proof could be had -- for
that a leap of faith is required ... one I have great difficulty in
making, though I keep an open mind, and looking ...

I am just able to manage, a mind greater than our own is a likely
candidate for our existence.

Regards,
JS


Yes. I don't claim to know, but I think that there is a strong
possibility that that mind may only exist in the part of timespace
that we call the future.

And I also think there is a distinct possibility that events in the
future can determine events in the past -- that timespace folds back
upon itself, like a variation of Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, or,
as our ancestors believed, time is cyclical.

What go's around comes around?

On 5/13/2011 8:43 AM, dxAce wrote:


Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

On 5/12/2011 6:49 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 10:31 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
On 5/12/2011 12:08 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5/12/2011 3:44 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

...
Since it's all made up, in a sense there is no original -- except
in the
imaginations of the authors.

It's like asking "What did Alice _really_ say to the Red Queen?"


With every good wish,


Kevin, WB4AIO.

I would say you make the exact mistake which the narrow minded make
on any given subject.

You think yourself to know, things which you cannot possibly know,
yet, with the present state of knowledge.

Any race which would visit us and suggest they where "GODS", and
were but a few thousand years ahead of us, 5,000 - 10,000, would be
entirely able to convince us they were "GODS" -- their technology
would simply allow them to do all the things which "GODS" do.

I see the possibility that where it would be possible for a race to
be a billion years ahead of us, give or take.

And, the inception, the creation, the very first living organism,
even if single celled, requires so many factors, and so many
extremely complex design considerations, to have all come together
all within a very time critical period, and in such an exactly
defined technical arrangement and order, as too virtually, at least
in our present state of understanding, be strongly suggestive that
some form of higher intelligence was involved in our design and
creation.

And, if I am correct in my analysis, Einstein was an agnostic -- he
simply knew he didn't know enough, yet ...

Regards,
JS



Well, even if you're right about all that -- and you may be -- that
doesn't change the fact that the small fraction of the thousands of
crazy Middle Eastern miracle books that the dominant sect chose as
"canonical" are about as likely to be uniquely inspired by God as are
the collected works of the Amazing Kreskin.


With my best regards,


Kevin Alfred Strom.

There is no proof that the bible was "divinely inspired", at the
present time, I can't imagine where such proof could be had -- for
that a leap of faith is required ... one I have great difficulty in
making, though I keep an open mind, and looking ...

I am just able to manage, a mind greater than our own is a likely
candidate for our existence.

Regards,
JS


Yes. I don't claim to know, but I think that there is a strong
possibility that that mind may only exist in the part of timespace
that we call the future.

And I also think there is a distinct possibility that events in the
future can determine events in the past -- that timespace folds back
upon itself, like a variation of Nietzsche's eternal recurrence, or,
as our ancestors believed, time is cyclical.

What go's around comes around?




That's one way of putting it!

Kevin.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

On 05/12/2011 08:06 PM, John Smith wrote:
Whatever intelligence that/would has/have "emerged out of primordial
chaos" is God, DUH. Unless God has a mate, which he, she, or anyone
else, for that matter, has not mentioned, any application of he/she
would be meaningless, at least to myself.
The original Aryan cosmology had it that Chaos was primordial. But
eventually, inevitably, what we call a 'self replicating sequence', Gaia
emerged. But because replication is not perfect, She evolved to the
point of reaching sentience and then differentiating Herself from Chaos
and Maya (the physical universe).

Life forms that give birth without male fertilization are parthenogenic
mothers. Which is why Gaia is female. And why Athena was in the Parthenon.

Accidents only happen when humans are involved ... undoubtedly, the
universe is unfolding just as it should in a way of "proper and good"
which is above our judgment, intervention and manipulation.
That it is, is one thing, that it should, is another. I dunno.

I don't believe "evolution", in the grand scheme of things, is a stand
alone item, rather just a designed function of the grand design.

Whenever you see a pile of rocks, it is impossible to determine if
nature or man has piled those rocks.

However, when you see a pile of rocks which look like, and serves all
the functions of a castle, you can damn well be certain it is man made
... so does God leave such signatures ...
What passes for reality is made up of Fractal algorithms, a combination of
the laws of Mother Nature and random chaotic input.