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Old May 24th 11, 05:47 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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On May 22, 8:24=A0am, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
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Is there an FAQ for this newsgroup?

Last update I had heard was from John Kasupski about 3 1/2 years ago.
In response to suggestions by other rec.radio.shortwave readers that an
update of Ralph Brandi's original version could be useful, he loudly and
forcefully insisted that he was the only author of such an FAQ, and no
other person should get involved.

No such updated FAQ beyond an initial, and incomplete, draft was
presented, along with forceful reminders from him that no one else
should get involved. =A0Has anything been heard from him, or any other
replacement maintainer, since then?

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Paul W. Schleck,


The Rec.Radio.Shortwave FAQ Issue
-by- John Kasupski
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...cf4461ffd947ef
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[...]

Is There a "FAQ" for the 'Rec.Radio.Shortwave'
NewsGroup ? -well- Yes and No or Maybe So...
.
Honestly What Good Is A "FAQ" If No One Reads It ?
.
More Importantly : What Good Is A "FAQ"
If No One Follows It ?
.
and that is something to think about ~ RHF
.
.


RHF,

Thank you for your reply. I can see that you are one of the more
knowledgeable and helpful posters here on rec.radio.shortwave. The
readership definitely owes you a debt of gratitude.

While an FAQ wouldn't be noticed and read by all, getting it current and
on a regular posting schedule could make it more visible. An FAQ might
not be followed by everyone, but might be useful to provide
justification for abuse complaints. It may also serve as a good
baseline for a charter for the eventual moderated shortwave radio
newsgroup.

Are there any objections to my suggestion that the 2008 attempt to
update Ralph Brandi's original FAQ documents has been abandoned (with
the replacement author's links long since broken from an expired
Internet domain name) and the project is more or less "up-for-grabs" to
any motivated and sincere volunteer?

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Paul W. Schleck

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Old May 24th 11, 06:24 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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Default Is There a "FAQ" for the 'Rec.Radio.Shortwave' NewsGroup ? -well-Yes and No or Maybe So...

On Tue, 24 May 2011, Paul W. Schleck wrote:

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In RHF writes:

On May 22, 8:24=A0am, Paul W. Schleck wrote:
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Is there an FAQ for this newsgroup?

Last update I had heard was from John Kasupski about 3 1/2 years ago.
In response to suggestions by other rec.radio.shortwave readers that an
update of Ralph Brandi's original version could be useful, he loudly and
forcefully insisted that he was the only author of such an FAQ, and no
other person should get involved.

No such updated FAQ beyond an initial, and incomplete, draft was
presented, along with forceful reminders from him that no one else
should get involved. =A0Has anything been heard from him, or any other
replacement maintainer, since then?

- --
Paul W. Schleck
/~pschleck/
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Paul W. Schleck,


The Rec.Radio.Shortwave FAQ Issue
-by- John Kasupski
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...cf4461ffd947ef
.


[...]

Is There a "FAQ" for the 'Rec.Radio.Shortwave'
NewsGroup ? -well- Yes and No or Maybe So...
.
Honestly What Good Is A "FAQ" If No One Reads It ?
.
More Importantly : What Good Is A "FAQ"
If No One Follows It ?
.
and that is something to think about ~ RHF
.
.


RHF,

Thank you for your reply. I can see that you are one of the more
knowledgeable and helpful posters here on rec.radio.shortwave. The
readership definitely owes you a debt of gratitude.

No, he's the idiot who drove people away.

He came in here, and didn't have a clue where he was, posting from google
he knew nothing of usenet, but acted like an expert.

You can't learn anything by poking in here once. You have to read the
newsgroup, and the fact that you don't know anything about RHF is proof
that you aren't paying attention to rec.radio.shortwave. The guy spouts
off on any topic, just for the sake of spouting off.

He pathologically changes subject headers, he seems incapable of simply
replying to a post. Witness he changed the subject header when he replied
to you.

He has no real knowledge, he constantly posts links. Any fool can do a
search. Witness that he doesn't know who you are, he even posted a link
that you or the moderators of rec.radio.info posted.

He feels compelled to reply to everything, whether it's a topic he knows
nothing of (but too often he then appears like he knows what he's talking
about) or off-topic junk. He has to be top-dog, which means replying with
his junk posts even though someone else (who is far more "useful" and
"knowledgeable" to this newsgroup than RHF) had already posted the old
faq.

There was a whole period when he tried to control the newsgroup, while at
the very same time was part of the problem. He constantly replies to the
political junk, he constantly replies to the cross-posted junk, he replies
to everything. He gives approval to the off topic junk

He knows nothing of usenet, on more than one accasion he's taken to task
the automatically posted posts here, like the one about using the phone
line as a sw antenna. He doesn't grasp the point of it, or the validity
of an automatic posting.

Yet the funny thing is, he is constantly posting the same junk links,
rather than doing it more formally, the usenet way.

He gives the perception of "knowing things" because he racks up the posts.
An idiot who has little to say, but people are dazzled because he posts
all those links, because of his endless posts.

If you think RHF has validity here, then you have no authority to do
anything, because you have no judgement on the matter. Keep out of the
newsgroup if you recognize RHF.

This used to be a great newsgroup. It did cover the topic it was intended
for, radio monitoring. It didn't suffer from idiot hams who thought
"shortwave" meant amateur radio (discussing receiving the ham bands is on
topic, but just because it takes place on shortwave does not make it
relevant). There were posts about AM DXing and FM DXing, both valid under
the umbrella that is too specific, but once upon a time one knew what was
meant. There was discussion of what was on shortwave, but also the
auxiliary bits about shortwave receivers and antennas and propagation.
Someone would ask something, and get numerous replies, all going into
depth about what was asked, not some idiot posting links to elsewhere that
is now seen as content. People who weren't around back then cheer "RHF"
because they don't know what it was like, don't know what RHF has driven
off with his idiocy. In the absence of the good posters, of course
RHF appears to be useful, but don't give him credit, ask where the
good posters have gone. Since he's driven off the good posters, then
he can appear as "king". Of course there was a period when there was
transition, I remember some thread on something more technical, the Wadley
loop or maybe synchronous detection, and the village idiot, another poster
who abuses the newsgroup had to put in his two cents, completely
irrelevant.

And the political drivel only came through cross-posting.

Then it started declining, which in itself wouldn't have been a bad idea.
But instead, the political posts came. Most of the remaining "regulars"
post all they want about political junk, they've even given up the
pretense of pretending it's relevant because it's discussed on the radio.
That includes the idiot RHF. Back when I thought there was still a chance
of saving the newsgroup, RHF would whine if someone spanked him for being
off topic, claiming the idiocy of "free speech". The idiots claiming that
right virtually never know what they are talking about, they think it
means talking about what they want where they want. They have killed free
speech in this newsgroup, because the people who wanted to talk about
shortwave listening have left, their right to "free speech" about
listening to radio drowned out by the idiot "free speech" people who want
to talk about politics, or even any topic but shortwave listening.

RHF is not knowledgeable. I remember when he was trying to control the
newsgroup, by chastizing posters rather than being an example, and someone
posted something about propagation, and RHF took him to task. The idiot
was trying to decide what was on topic or not, yet didn't have the skill
to know when someone was talking about something relevant.

So all the old posters are gone, leaving the idiots remaining. They see
it as a hangout, so they post about whatever they like. There was a
period when new people were still coming in, and I remember one idiot
coming here and asking something relevant, then trying to fit in by
posting something about movies. He had lousy examples, since the regulars
were doing it. That was when there was still hope for the newsgroup, I
chastized that idiot for posting off topic. Then later, when I posted
about something related to AM DXing, the idiot came after me, since he was
too clueless to know what the newsgroup was about, but thought the
"shortwave" meant it was only about shortwave

You're as much an idiot as RHF if you think there's a need for a moderated
newsgroup. Look what happened when you started a moderated newsgroup for
amateur radio. Virtually no posts. The choice isn't moderated (which you
love) or "anarchy" it's about running idiots like RHF out of town. We let
him take over, initially we could have stomped him good but we let him do
as he pleased, until it drove off the good posters and left a shallow and
messy newsgroup.

There was a period of hope for this newsgroup, when the idiot RHF suddenly
disappeared, a year or so ago. And some of us came back, briefly, though
not initially since it seemed too likely that it was temporary. And it was,
albeit a few months absence. Right away he was back to his usual posting
habits.

There is no hope for this newsgroup until RHF leaves, or is slapped down
hard enough that he doesn't reply to cross-posts, doesn't post off topic,
doesn't constantly change subject headers, doesn't demean people by
putting their names in subject headers, doesn't give approval to the
"free speechers". doesn't automatically feel a need to reply to every
post. Get him in line to actually form a proper post, I might take him
more seriously if he made even that change. And get him to stop quoting
a long post rather than simply quoting what's relevant. Another
google-centric view, he is clueless that the rest of us have to scroll
through the junk to see the actual reply, on google the quoting can be
hidden.

Next time before you butt in here, do some proper research by actually
reading the newsgroup for a reasonable length of time. After all, that
used to be netiquette, "read the newsgroup for a reasonable time to get a
feel for it before posting".

Michael
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Old May 24th 11, 07:09 PM posted to rec.radio.shortwave
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On 5/24/2011 10:24 AM, Michael Black wrote:
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Michael


Your mental disorder seems to be causing you to become obsessive on RHF,
indeed, to the point of placing him in a villains' role.

We are now familiar with your opinion of RHF, what you find to be his
short-comings, the fact you don't approve of his posting style, that you
don't like him going off topic, your appraisal of his psychological
"disorders", what you consider to have been his mistakes in posting,
complaints about the "coverage area" of his posts -- i.e., AM/FM related
posts, etc. I mean, your complaints, about RHF, are really too numerous
to deal with.

In the end, it is like, I DON'T CARE! In the least, I find his sanity
to be a better companion here than yours ...

Others mileage will vary ...

But you, your post(s) define you, someone I would not want for a
neighbor, someone who looks like a person with many petty gripes and
complaints, etc. I look at you and it makes me thankful for the
neighbors, friends and family I have ... you just seem like a different
flavor of a control freak who must have the order in your world , at all
costs.

Setting up a proper receiver, antenna, listening station and the few and
dwindling SW stations left, and their narrowing of coverage of subjects,
are just not something which volumes and volumes can be written upon ...
diversion is good for the mind ...

Regards,
JS

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