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Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint ofOrwell?
On 8/16/2011 12:23 AM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/13...ransit-blocks- cellphones-to-hinder-protest/?intcmp=obnetwork An illegal, Orwellian violation of free-speech rights? Or just a smart tactic to protect train passengers from rowdy would-be demonstrators during a busy evening commute? Not a free speech violation, of course. The government is under no obligation to furnish you with the means of propagating your speech. I don't know technically how BART brings cell service underground, but whatever that mechanism is, BART owns it and can switch it on or off as they see fit. Quite obviously, they have it as a means of providing a service - a service they are under no obligation to provide in the first place. If you want to stand on a street corner and harangue passersby, that is your right - but the state doesn't have to furnish you with a megaphone. Free speech does not include the right to have your speech disseminated beyond your own means. |
Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint of Orwell?
George Plimpton wrote:
If you want to stand on a street corner and harangue passersby, that is your right - but the state doesn't have to furnish you with a megaphone. Free speech does not include the right to have your speech disseminated beyond your own means. That's freakin' ridiculous. |
Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint of Orwell?
On Aug 16, 1:46*pm, dave wrote:
George Plimpton wrote: - - If you want to stand on a street corner - - and harangue passersby, that is your - - right - but the state doesn't have to - - furnish you with a megaphone. - - Free speech does not include the right - - to have your speech disseminated beyond - - your own means. Even the Soapbox Orators of Hyde Park, London [UK] have to bring their own Soap-Boxes. |
(OT) : ? Dave... Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The US Constitution !
On Aug 17, 7:31*am, dave wrote:
George Plimpton wrote: What's ridiculous about it? *Do you think if you wish to harangue the citizenry, the state has to put a television network at your disposal? - - No, they don't. - - If you wish to *buy* time on a network - - for your harangue, fine. - - But you do not have a right to propagate - - your message at someone else's expense. - If a station allows one side a voice for free, - fairness demands they allow free time for an - opposing viewpoint. They should make this a - condition of the station license renewal. ? Dave... Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The US Constitution ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution |
Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint ofOrwell?
All it takes is a 911 call or plea for help that would not connect.
Martin On 8/16/2011 2:37 PM, George Plimpton wrote: On 8/16/2011 12:23 AM, Leroy N. Soetoro wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/13...ransit-blocks- cellphones-to-hinder-protest/?intcmp=obnetwork An illegal, Orwellian violation of free-speech rights? Or just a smart tactic to protect train passengers from rowdy would-be demonstrators during a busy evening commute? Not a free speech violation, of course. The government is under no obligation to furnish you with the means of propagating your speech. I don't know technically how BART brings cell service underground, but whatever that mechanism is, BART owns it and can switch it on or off as they see fit. Quite obviously, they have it as a means of providing a service - a service they are under no obligation to provide in the first place. If you want to stand on a street corner and harangue passersby, that is your right - but the state doesn't have to furnish you with a megaphone. Free speech does not include the right to have your speech disseminated beyond your own means. |
Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint ofOrwell?
I call it San Franciskograd.
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Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint of Orwell?
On Aug 18, 12:01*am, Ignoramus16731 ignoramus16...@NOSPAM.
16731.invalid wrote: I call it San Franciskograd. i Russian Hill . |
(OT) : ? Dave... Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The USConstitution !
On Aug 17, 3:33*pm, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: On Aug 17, 7:31 am, dave wrote: - If a station allows one side a voice for free, - fairness demands they allow free time for an - opposing viewpoint. They should make this a - condition of the station license renewal. ? Dave... Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The US Constitution ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution *. - Our way of governing requires that smart, - well-informed citizens exercise their right - to vote. M4 Mania Dave -oops- Your Liberal Uber Elitism is Showing : Only 'You' that special Smart, and Well-Informed Citizen can be the Decider for All Us {lessor-beings} -aka- The Masses White -or- Black -or- Yellow -or- Brown : ONE HUMAN* = ONE VOTE * US Citizen Man -or- Woman : One Person = One Vote Straight -or- LGBT : One Person = One Vote Rich -or- Poor : One Person = One Vote Property Owner -or- Renter : One Person = One Vote Native Born* -or- Naturalized* : One Person = One Vote * US Citizen -and-therefore-it-follows- Educated* -or- Worker** : One Person = One Vote * Elitist -so-called- Enlightened 'Intellectual' ** Honest Hard-Working American US Citizen |
(OT) : Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The US Constitution !
RHF wrote:
On Aug 17, 3:33*pm, dave wrote: - Our way of governing requires that smart, - well-informed citizens exercise their right - to vote. M4 Mania Dave -oops- Your Liberal Uber Elitism is Showing : Only 'You' that special Smart, and Well-Informed Citizen can be the Decider for All Us {lessor-beings} -aka- The Masses Massive NPR Network with 2500 Radio Stations All Broadcasting the Liberal {Democrat} Party-Line {Propaganda} 24/7 -aka- The Obama-Radio Outlets ! -versus-fragmented-am-talk-radio- I have a vision of America where everyone is smart and well informed. You would prefer a nation of idiots who do whatever that last advert tells them to do. NPR has 800 stations that play some of their programming. About 2/3 of that number are not full power full time NPR stations. "Fairness" is such a bedrock concept for a moral person I'm not surprised it eludes you. |
(OT) : Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The US Constitution !
I have been to Sanfranciscograd twice before, compliments of Unca Sam's
Army. Paul Gallo (Super Talk Missy Sippy radio talk show) said the Dow is down.Going to be a rough day. cuhulin |
(OT) : Where Is "Fairness Demands" In The US Constitution !
J R wrote:
I have been to Sanfranciscograd twice before, compliments of Unca Sam's Army. Paul Gallo (Super Talk Missy Sippy radio talk show) said the Dow is down.Going to be a rough day. cuhulin Only for idiots who buy retail securities |
US Media Equality : Fairness and Balance Between NPR and AM Talk Radio
On Aug 18, 5:42 am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: On Aug 17, 3:33 pm, dave wrote: - Our way of governing requires that smart, - well-informed citizens exercise their right - to vote. M4 Mania Dave -oops- Your Liberal Uber Elitism is Showing : Only 'You' that special Smart, and Well-Informed Citizen can be the Decider for All Us {lessor-beings} -aka- The Masses Massive NPR Network with 2500 Radio Stations All Broadcasting the Liberal {Democrat} Party-Line {Propaganda} 24/7 -aka- The Obama-Radio Outlets ! -versus-fragmented-am-talk-radio- - I have a vision of America where everyone - is smart and well informed. So yours is a Cookie Cutter America where everyone is the same-o-same-o ? What About Diversity Dave . . . ? ? Isn't Diversity Good . . . -not-everyone-can-live-in-an-ivory-tower- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_elitism -oops- Some People Have To Get a Basic Education and Actually Work For A Living ! -the-vast-majority-{masses}-of-any-society- |
US Media Equality : Limbaugh Et-Al Appeals to the Masses {Majority}-while- NPR...Pacifica Attracts a Few Effete Intellectuals {Minority}
On Aug 18, 7:37*pm, dave wrote:
On 8/18/2011 5:58 PM, RHF wrote: -oops- But what you mean by Fairness and Balance is NPR Being 100% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive} -and- AM Talk Radio Being 50% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive}; along with 50% Talk Radio Hosts who are Conservatives& Gawd you are ****ing deranged. There are entire states where all the opinion shows are right wing. This is not healthy for America. Why do you defend the indefensible? Why are you such a hateful old man? ....so... much more Mucho Medical-Marijuana Madness -aka- Liberal-Democrat Thinking by M4 Mania Dave -wrt- PUI Posting Under the Influence of Illegal Street Drugs -restating-the-case-one-more-time- *FACT*IS* NPR is NPR : The Mightiest {Collective} Single Voice on the American AM/FM Radio Bands ! ! ! +plus+ NPR along with PRI and APMG is on AFN ~50% and sometimes the VOA Too ! |
Separate But Equal is the new [old] idea of "fairness"
RHF wrote:
-however- Dave 'i' do understand "Fairness" to be a degree of Equality like : One-For-You & One For Me -therefore-it-follows-that- One-Hour of Liberal NPR = One-Hour of AM Talk 800 x 24 x 7 = 134,400 Weekly NPR Hours (100%) -versus- 500 x 24 x 7 = 84,000 Weekly AM Talk Hours (63%) OMG - Seams like Conservatives & Republican are AM radio covers the entire continent. FM radio only covers cities and surrounding suburbs. Half the people live outside cities. Name 3 NPR opinion programs. Try to find opinion on the Dallas NPR affiliate. Ask WLS if they'd like to swap facilities with WBEZ, tell us what they say. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
"dave" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2011 5:58 PM, RHF wrote: -oops- But what you mean by Fairness and Balance is NPR Being 100% Liberals& Democrats {Progressive} -and- AM Talk Radio Being 50% Liberals& Democrats {Progressive}; along with 50% Talk Radio Hosts who are Conservatives& Gawd you are ****ing deranged. There are entire states where all the opinion shows are right wing. This is not healthy for America. Why do you defend the indefensible? Why are you such a hateful old man? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd love to know where those figures come from. I know personally of two liberals on AM radio: Colmes and Schultz. Air America was put together to counter the overwhelming right wing talk on AM radio, but it failed. I think the actual ratio is something like 15:1 in favor of the right. As far as NPR, we listen a lot here, and there is very little political opinion one way or another, it's predominantly shows more like magazine shows. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
Brenda Ann wrote:
"dave" wrote in message ... On 8/18/2011 5:58 PM, RHF wrote: -oops- But what you mean by Fairness and Balance is NPR Being 100% Liberals& Democrats {Progressive} -and- AM Talk Radio Being 50% Liberals& Democrats {Progressive}; along with 50% Talk Radio Hosts who are Conservatives& Gawd you are ****ing deranged. There are entire states where all the opinion shows are right wing. This is not healthy for America. Why do you defend the indefensible? Why are you such a hateful old man? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd love to know where those figures come from. I know personally of two liberals on AM radio: Colmes and Schultz. Air America was put together to counter the overwhelming right wing talk on AM radio, but it failed. I think the actual ratio is something like 15:1 in favor of the right. As far as NPR, we listen a lot here, and there is very little political opinion one way or another, it's predominantly shows more like magazine shows. I think Roy makes them up. I picture him as a kind of Jabba the Hut [sic] with extra punctuation marks. They are on satellite and in a few big cities and neither is much of a leftie. Colmes is too passive and Shultz is a big dumb jock. Neither represents intelligently, like Thom Hartmann, who has a big AFTRS following. When Limbaugh started pretty much all his stations also carried Larry King. That was more balanced than today. George Noory is part of the birther fringe. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; PacificaDoesn't
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Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint of Orwell?
dave wrote:
On 8/19/2011 4:03 PM, jk wrote: wrote: BART has to provide "state of the art" facilities, which includes connectivity while you're waiting for a train. Say's who, and since when? All they HAVE to provide is an occasional train. jk People expect a certain level of amenities while waiting. SF being all about wonderful tech and all. Apparently "dave's not (all) here" is true. SF is not about all the Tech. SOUTH BAY is all about the tech, and doesn't get bart. jk |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
I HAVE MADE APPLICATION TO SHUT THIS POST DOWN DUE TO ITS CONTENT
BEING UNINTELLIGIBLE. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
On Aug 20, 6:45*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "dave" *wrote in message ... On 8/18/2011 5:58 PM, RHF wrote: -oops- But what you mean by Fairness and Balance is NPR Being 100% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive} -and- AM Talk Radio Being 50% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive}; along with 50% Talk Radio Hosts who are Conservatives& Gawd you are ****ing deranged. There are entire states where all the opinion shows are right wing. This is not healthy for America. Why do you defend the indefensible? Why are you such a hateful old man? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- I'd love to know where those figures come from. I know personally of two liberals on AM radio: Colmes and Schultz. Air America was put together to counter the overwhelming right wing talk on AM radio, but it failed. I think the actual ratio is something like 15:1 in favor of the right. As far as NPR, we listen a lot here, and there is very little political opinion one way or another, it's predominantly shows more like magazine shows. AM radio has become a right -wing-conservative hangout , even George Noory makes more sense than some of the so-called 'political idiots' . . . |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
On Aug 20, 3:45*am, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: "dave" *wrote in message ... On 8/18/2011 5:58 PM, RHF wrote: -oops- But what you mean by Fairness and Balance is NPR Being 100% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive} -and- AM Talk Radio Being 50% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive}; along with 50% Talk Radio Hosts who are Conservatives& Gawd you are ****ing deranged. There are entire states where all the opinion shows are right wing. This is not healthy for America. Why do you defend the indefensible? Why are you such a hateful old man? Are you under the impression that there exists no form on media other than AM Radio? There's no movies? No books? No magazines? No Internet? No broadcast TV? No cable TV? No colleges? Nothing? Just AM radio? |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
On Aug 20, 8:42*am, dave wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: "dave" *wrote in message m... On 8/18/2011 5:58 PM, RHF wrote: -oops- But what you mean by Fairness and Balance is NPR Being 100% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive} -and- AM Talk Radio Being 50% Liberals& *Democrats {Progressive}; along with 50% Talk Radio Hosts who are Conservatives& Gawd you are ****ing deranged. There are entire states where all the opinion shows are right wing. This is not healthy for America. Why do you defend the indefensible? Why are you such a hateful old man? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----- I'd love to know where those figures come from. I know personally of two liberals on AM radio: Colmes and Schultz. Air America was put together to counter the overwhelming right wing talk on AM radio, but it failed. I think the actual ratio is something like 15:1 in favor of the right. As far as NPR, we listen a lot here, and there is very little political opinion one way or another, it's predominantly shows more like magazine shows. I think Roy makes them up. I picture him as a kind of Jabba the Hut [sic] with extra punctuation marks. They are on satellite and in a few big cities and neither is much of a leftie. Colmes is too passive and Shultz is a big dumb jock. Neither represents intelligently, like Thom Hartmann, who has a big AFTRS following. When Limbaugh started pretty much all his stations also carried Larry King. That was more balanced than today. George Noory is part of the birther fringe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you blaspheming George ? |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
AM radio has become a right -wing-conservative hangout ... So what? You're not happy controlling 95% of the media...it's got to be 100%? |
Soviet San Francisco Cell Shutdown: Safety Issue, or Hint of Orwell?
jk wrote:
dave wrote: On 8/19/2011 4:03 PM, jk wrote: wrote: BART has to provide "state of the art" facilities, which includes connectivity while you're waiting for a train. Say's who, and since when? All they HAVE to provide is an occasional train. jk People expect a certain level of amenities while waiting. SF being all about wonderful tech and all. Apparently "dave's not (all) here" is true. SF is not about all the Tech. SOUTH BAY is all about the tech, and doesn't get bart. Obviously the whole place is crawling with fascists. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
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US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
Richard Steel wrote:
AM radio has become a right -wing-conservative hangout ... So what? You're not happy controlling 95% of the media...it's got to be 100%? Who controls 95% of what media? If you think the mass media is controlled by anyone other than the corporations who buy ads you are a stooge, a tool, a simp; digging your own grave and casting your own bullet. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
On Aug 21, 8:29*am, dave wrote:
wrote: They are on satellite and in a few big cities and neither is much of a leftie. Colmes is too passive and Shultz is a big dumb jock. Neither represents intelligently, like Thom Hartmann, who has a big AFTRS following. When Limbaugh started pretty much all his stations also carried Larry King. That was more balanced than today. George Noory is part of the birther fringe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you blaspheming George ? I'm calling him out as a typical American, complete with voluntary lobotomy and fear of his own shadow. That is why his program is so successful . Oh, btw, where is it's the original founder, Art Bell ? Was he finally 'abducted' ?! Or just laughing all the way to the bank ... |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; PacificaDoesn't
Your buddy Rick Dale at Ameican Restoration (on tee vee) would slap a
little bit of paint on it, he would get $5,000 for it.Those fools bringing him their junk to restore, he is laughing at them all the way to the bank.His son got a free junk electric fan, he restored it for a fathers day gift, he wound up paying $50.00 for a new motor.I have an old electric fan just like that one, it still works as good as new.I have a lot of old electric fans, some of them are at least eighty years old or older, they still work too. cuhulin |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; PacificaDoesn't
Why Californiagrad is broke and TEXAS isn't.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=312356 cuhulin |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
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US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
J R wrote:
Why Californiagrad is broke and TEXAS isn't. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=312356 cuhulin Texas is just as broke as California. And it smells funny to boot. |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; Pacifica Doesn't
"dave" wrote in message ... J R wrote: Why Californiagrad is broke and TEXAS isn't. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=312356 cuhulin Texas is just as broke as California. And it smells funny to boot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's just cuz of what's ON those boots.. :) |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; PacificaDoesn't
Why Californiagrad is broke and Missy Sippy isn't.
The Missy Sippy jogger, after shooting the coyote, would consider it road kill and take it home and cook it up for supper. cuhulin |
US Media Equality: Limbaugh Gets Flamethrowers; PacificaDoesn't
///Calling Barranca! Calling Barranca!/// (Only Angels Have Wings, on
TCM tee vee right now) What's that smell? ///Winds from California blowing to Texas/// Drop some more of that Nitro and scare those buzzards away. ///Calling Lookout! Calling Lookout! What's your mule doing in there?/// I had to bring him in to keep him from blowing away. cuhulin |
The Public Airwaves Are For Sharing Ideas, Not Spewing Ideoligy and Dogma
RHF wrote:
On Aug 19, 4:29*am, dave wrote: . - Ask WLS if they'd like to swap facilities - with WBEZ, tell us what they say. Dave blah,,, Blah... BLAH ! ! ! -am-apples- & -npr-cabbages- + WLS-AM 890 kHz @ 50KW in Chicago, IL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLS_%28AM%29 http://www.radio-locator.com/info/WLS-AM -versus- WBEZ-FM 91.5 MHZ @ 8KW in Chicago, IL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBEZ http://www.radio-locator.com/info/WBEZ-FM -typical-liberal-tactic- Conpairing an AM Clear Channel to a Local FM. Thank-you for proving my point so bombastically. WLS covers 30 states at night, WBEZ parts of 4 states. |
AFN Radio Exemplifying Fair and Balance !?!
RHF wrote:
. -actually-imho- AFN Radio with both NPR and Rush & Sean ETC... does a reasonable job of being fair and balanced. NPR is not political. Period. Thom Hartmann makes Limbaugh and Hannitoad look like ranting propagandists; he is balance, not freaking Click and Clack. |
AFN Radio Exemplifying Fair and Balance !?!
"dave" wrote in message ... RHF wrote: . -actually-imho- AFN Radio with both NPR and Rush & Sean ETC... does a reasonable job of being fair and balanced. NPR is not political. Period. Thom Hartmann makes Limbaugh and Hannitoad look like ranting propagandists; he is balance, not freaking Click and Clack. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On the other hand, AFRTS DOES have Ed Schultz, Alan Colmes vs. Rush and the Manatee. They used to carry Dr. Laura, but thank the Lord they put her out to pasture.. |
NPR -v- AM Talk Radio : You Can Not Force People To Listen To WhatThey Don't Want To Hear On-the-Radio in a Free Society
On Aug 22, 5:25*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote: On Aug 19, 4:29*am, dave wrote: *. - Ask WLS if they'd like to swap facilities - with WBEZ, tell us what they say. Dave blah,,, Blah... BLAH ! ! ! -am-apples- & -npr-cabbages- + WLS-AM 890 kHz @ 50KW in Chicago, IL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLS_%28AM%29 http://www.radio-locator.com/info/WLS-AM -versus- WBEZ-FM 91.5 MHZ @ 8KW in Chicago, IL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBEZ http://www.radio-locator.com/info/WBEZ-FM - - -typical-liberal-tactic- - - Conpairing an AM Clear Channel to a Local FM. - Thank-you for proving my point so bombastically. - WLS covers 30 states at night, WBEZ parts of 4 states. Dave -again- Typical Liberal 'Flawed' Logic : Comparing a major AM/MW {Licensed} "Clear Channel" Radio Station -to- a Local FM {License} to Cover a Metro Area Setting The NPR {Liberal} to AM Talk Radio {Conservative} Record Straight and Maintaining Fairness and Balance http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...6e8540f36aca4c |
AFN Radio Exemplifying Fair and Balance !?!
On Aug 22, 8:27 am, dave wrote:
[...] NPR is not political. Period. What a huge steaming stinking pile of BS ! |
AFN Radio Exemplifying Fair and Balance !?!
This aints no BS!
http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?...on+Mississippi Miracle dog Francis.I just now saw on WLBT 3 tee vee noos, Francis was Voted the Winner.That dog is high steppin now. cuhulin |
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