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about Fri, 30 Sep 2011 03:12:24 +0000 (UTC) did write, type or otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following: The "professionals" only prevail if you fight them on their terms. Has no one heard of Sun Tzu? 'The art of war' old Chinese philosophy of government. But anyhow: there is a difference between a person and a country. I have trouble to understand the idea, that people think, they have to defend themselves against the own government. I take it then you're not a student of history? I mean, not only with words, but with real guns. Ain't these professionals the own soldiers? How could soldiers even consider to fight against their own people? I accept this as confirmation you know next to nothing about history. They get brainwashed, for sure. But even zombies on drugs would remember, were they came from. Or is that about money? Well, 'rip off the pharao' was the favourite game of the Egyptian 'priests'. Or are there religious motives? Considering what an education costs today, WTF are they teaching? A good case of malpractice and/or deceptive practices lurks here. "Why should a fool have the price of knowledge in his hand, seeing as how he has no wisdom?" -- pyotr filipivich Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History". |
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Kind of nice to see that there are at least some folks who admit they don't know everything, and are willing to learn. No, they're not. John Smith and his moronic cross posting entourage are too stupid to even try limiting their responses to their own groups. They are idiots all, and Smith is their leader. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOhfi1AAoJEGQ2h+1OL/AcFGoH/0dgutIffC2MvLIiVBQgK39m 7bJIqdnJkoOqE+TuImNQ3uPVIc8Wgzpi2lUH2bLijsDEplotIP wOf7uQvTq6Txre 9W/IYaejK9GV4Axo89GBxjfgwDf+09ko/JulMQTngl57S1TevsWRcYPpL83SmFBY 6pU21tni3gdz6tn8DPKUKGNjImZZsAmxAcbYgRVx/Rm/IqGXEYk1YJ+IOVC97KxM ZTrBVqAUyThe6HQOGsTtMNY5VX1r/iXkdeb1QqvMd91c8uHsnzH8btXcfylY9aC6 7lrOd2jF2Tb64FsMcmIOwhA/G9KunLMZD7ETnolftch3xY7j5gU6AYKYcvb9OdM= =p3zS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:13:15 -0600, m II wrote:
Brenda Ann wrote: Kind of nice to see that there are at least some folks who admit they don't know everything, and are willing to learn. No, they're not. John Smith and his moronic cross posting entourage are too stupid to even try limiting their responses to their own groups. They are idiots all, and Smith is their leader. mike Truer words were never posted. |
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Brenda Ann wrote: Kind of nice to see that there are at least some folks who admit they don't know everything, and are willing to learn. No, they're not. John Smith and his moronic cross posting entourage are too stupid to even try limiting their responses to their own groups. They are idiots all, and Smith is their leader. mike *signature.asc 1KViewDownload Mike [M II] and . . . Your Post Proves That You Are No Better +plus+a+repeat+offender+too+ -see-Mike [M II]-Prior-Post- "Stop the crap cross postings, Genius." http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...29343dbca8fc8a Only geniuses cross post, right {Mike M II} Bachmann? |
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: "RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "BDK" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:29:19 -0700, John Smith wrote: .410 buck (or a choice), .357/.38 .... good obama blaster, criminal public servant controller, etc. Could stop 'em from stealing you SW radio, golf clubs, other guns, or save your arse when you wake up to the conspiracy and the conspirators want you silenced! http://bondarmsusa.com/ (make sure you watch the video!) Would even fit in the san fransicko boys' purses! Regards, JS **** that. This is a much better weapon. http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html Five shots, better reload time, much more accurate. Leave it to Johnny Kook to pick a POS like a Bond Arms 2 shot. Dozens of better guns out there. Depends on what you're after. On a shot per shot basis, the .410 is going to deliver more to target. effectively ten 30 caliber pellets to target in the time it takes to pull the trigger twice. A .410 handgun round contains 8 or 9 pellets if it is a #4 shot. That's about right, the problem is you lose space because the pellets are staggered. Thus a lot of the shell capacity is empty air. It contains 3 pellets if it is 000 which is approximately .36 caliber. Maybe a few brands, but if you look around even in 2.5" you can get 4 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...ctNumber=53316 6 and in 3" (which I believe I mentioned somewhere) you get 5 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=170759 and .36 matches up nicely with the .357 caliber of the .38 and .357. A 12ga shoots about 9 pellets in 00. Again, with the 12, you lose capacity because the pellets are staggered. In the .410 they are neatly lined up, making maximum use of the available space. Use a buffered shot and you will get a nice tight group at close ranges. Whereas the Ruger is going to take 5 trigger pulls, a reload, and than another 5 trigger pulls. Nope. Go back and revisit the .410 load fired by a Judge. Are you talking the regular Judge or the 3" Judge? Both seem to contain the same number of pellets in 000. The difference is in the powder charge, apparently. Check the links given. You can get 5 pellets in a 3" shell, and 4 in a 2.5" shell. See yesterday's statement further down. One gives you 4 pellets of triple aught, the other gives you 5. Not per wiki. Midway sells them. Maybe wiki is wrong? There, corrected it for you. 2.5" shell holds 4, not 3 per http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=533166 The Bondarm's Century 2000 derringer, the gun under discussion, accepts up to a 3" .410 shell. Hence the 5 pellets discussed. Perhaps of 00.......but the heavy load mentioned was 000. Yep, and as cited above in a 3" shell even according to wiki it's 5 pellets of 000 Not nine as originally stated. That was the reason I mentioned 12ga. Of course, you could also load in a .410 with 5 pellets of 0000 buck (0.375). Of course, you're probably going to need to mail order those, and I think only a few manufacturers even make them. :-) That's not to say that one is a better gun than the other, but as in so much it depends on what you're looking for it to do. Also the .410 loading is generally reported to have a fairly high 1 shot stop percentage, since you are usually effectively hitting the target multiple times in 1 shot. Three, if all impact and you are shooting 000 buck. Actually even if more than 1 hit, you will still be hitting the target multiple times. :-) Same with two trigger pulls on an SP-101. Yea, but 2 trigger pulls take longer than 1. Yes, but not as long as one trigger pull, a search for the damn gun...and another trigger pull.....if one is up to it. Those derringers have a very nasty recoil and not much to hang on to. However, if that's the case, odds are you didn't hit much of consequence unless you're talking the head. Both at close range would be effective to center mass....the edge going to the .410. Simply my point, the .410 derringer isn't automatically unsuitable as Dudu asserted. You still pay attention to his claims? You need to fire both barrels in a Bond 2 shot to equal the number of rounds in an SP-101. Uh, an SP-101 in .38/.357 only holds 5 rounds. That's equal to the number of pellets of triple or quad aught buck in a 3" shell. Again, not per wiki on the .410 shotshell. Anyway, I have three SP-101s (as you can tell, I hate them), two in .357 and one in .327Federal. The latter holds six rounds. True, but Dudu cited the .38/.357 Again, my comments weren't intended to address all the possible combinations, only to challenge Dudu's immediate dismissal of the derringer and the assertion that the SP101 would be drastically better for self defense. See above statement on Dudu's veracity.... So you would have to fire until empty, reload, and then empty again, your SP101 to get an equal number of lead pieces headed downrange to match those produced by 2 pulls of the Bond's trigger. :-) Not going to argue with you. You can see what wiki says as well as I can. Yep, and in this case it was wrong. Which is why I provided the cites above for you. Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) Based on reports and testing, the rounds that produce the best one shot stops are those that produce a nice hydrostatic shock wave in the blood pressure that effectively shuts down the brain for a period of time. Now that's not to say they are going to stay down, only that they are going to drop on the first shot and stay down for a bit. Shotguns do this quite effectively since they tend to dump a large part of their energy to a broad section of the body inducing such a hydrostatic shock. This, of course, depends upon a reasonably direct impact to center mass. So it all depends on your preferences, choices, and so on. This is true. My biggest objection would be the weight of the piece which IMO makes it less of a carry piece. On the other hand it's flat which again IMO makes it easier to conceal than a revolver. True with the Bond derringer, not so with a Taurus Judge or the S&W. Well, I wasn't intending this to be an in-depth review of all the variations, only contesting Dudu's immediate and apparently arbitrary dismissal of the Century 2000 as being unsuitable for self defense, and challenging each of his talking points to establish that. Dudu tends to run off half cocked over anything you say or suggest so I don't pay much attention to him on those points. What got me going was mention of the SP-101. It is one of the things he and I agree on. It is an excellent gun. It is, and I'm not challenging that. I'm simply challenging his dismissal of the derringer as something far worse. About the only point that was really valid was the accuracy issue, but at self defense ranges a gun doesn't need to be particularly accurate hence my noting it as pretty much a moot point. Fair enough. I thought so. :-) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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: "Gray Guest" wrote in message 44.100... "Scout" wrote in : "Gray Guest" wrote in message 44.100... "Scout" wrote in news:j6182n : "Gray Guest" wrote in message 44.100... "Scout" wrote in : "RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "BDK" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:29:19 -0700, John Smith wrote: .410 buck (or a choice), .357/.38 .... good obama blaster, criminal public servant controller, etc. Could stop 'em from stealing you SW radio, golf clubs, other guns, or save your arse when you wake up to the conspiracy and the conspirators want you silenced! http://bondarmsusa.com/ (make sure you watch the video!) Would even fit in the san fransicko boys' purses! Regards, JS **** that. This is a much better weapon. http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html Five shots, better reload time, much more accurate. Leave it to Johnny Kook to pick a POS like a Bond Arms 2 shot. Dozens of better guns out there. Depends on what you're after. On a shot per shot basis, the .410 is going to deliver more to target. effectively ten 30 caliber pellets to target in the time it takes to pull the trigger twice. A .410 handgun round contains 8 or 9 pellets if it is a #4 shot. That's about right, the problem is you lose space because the pellets are staggered. Thus a lot of the shell capacity is empty air. It contains 3 pellets if it is 000 which is approximately .36 caliber. Maybe a few brands, but if you look around even in 2.5" you can get 4 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...roductNumber=5 3316 6 and in 3" (which I believe I mentioned somewhere) you get 5 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=170759 and .36 matches up nicely with the .357 caliber of the .38 and .357. A 12ga shoots about 9 pellets in 00. Again, with the 12, you lose capacity because the pellets are staggered. In the .410 they are neatly lined up, making maximum use of the available space. Use a buffered shot and you will get a nice tight group at close ranges. Whereas the Ruger is going to take 5 trigger pulls, a reload, and than another 5 trigger pulls. Nope. Go back and revisit the .410 load fired by a Judge. Are you talking the regular Judge or the 3" Judge? One gives you 4 pellets of triple aught, the other gives you 5. The Bondarm's Century 2000 derringer, the gun under discussion, accepts up to a 3" .410 shell. Hence the 5 pellets discussed. Of course, you could also load in a .410 with 5 pellets of 0000 buck (0.375). Of course, you're probably going to need to mail order those, and I think only a few manufacturers even make them. :-) That's not to say that one is a better gun than the other, but as in so much it depends on what you're looking for it to do. Also the .410 loading is generally reported to have a fairly high 1 shot stop percentage, since you are usually effectively hitting the target multiple times in 1 shot. Three, if all impact and you are shooting 000 buck. Actually even if more than 1 hit, you will still be hitting the target multiple times. :-) However, if that's the case, odds are you didn't hit much of consequence unless you're talking the head. You need to fire both barrels in a Bond 2 shot to equal the number of rounds in an SP-101. Uh, an SP-101 in .38/.357 only holds 5 rounds. That's equal to the number of pellets of triple or quad aught buck in a 3" shell. So you would have to fire until empty, reload, and then empty again, your SP101 to get an equal number of lead pieces headed downrange to match those produced by 2 pulls of the Bond's trigger. :-) Based on reports and testing, the rounds that produce the best one shot stops are those that produce a nice hydrostatic shock wave in the blood pressure that effectively shuts down the brain for a period of time. Now that's not to say they are going to stay down, only that they are going to drop on the first shot and stay down for a bit. Shotguns do this quite effectively since they tend to dump a large part of their energy to a broad section of the body inducing such a hydrostatic shock. This, of course, depends upon a reasonably direct impact to center mass. So it all depends on your preferences, choices, and so on. This is true. My biggest objection would be the weight of the piece which IMO makes it less of a carry piece. On the other hand it's flat which again IMO makes it easier to conceal than a revolver. True with the Bond derringer, not so with a Taurus Judge or the S&W. Well, I wasn't intending this to be an in-depth review of all the variations, only contesting Dudu's immediate and apparently arbitrary dismissal of the Century 2000 as being unsuitable for self defense, and challenging each of his talking points to establish that. About the only point that was really valid was the accuracy issue, but at self defense ranges a gun doesn't need to be particularly accurate hence my noting it as pretty much a moot point. Honestly, after several years of looking at derringers and some of the absurd calibers they come in, I find it hard to fault the choice of any lightweight J frame. The more serious calibers are often as wide and nearly as long and always weigh more. Mine hides very well and while reloading isn't really an issue at close range (IMO) reloading a derringer can be a PITA. I bought some Speed Strips and I can carry the J-Frame and 2 Speed strips very comfortably. I really only would carry it if the 908 or G-19 was impractical for some reason, though. Different strokes for different folks. Doesn't mean a derringer in .410 is the automatically bad choice Dudu tried to assert. You have your preferences, I have mine, Dudu has his, and John has his. But a .410 is a proven performer. Undoubtedly, I have merely stated my preference. Dogmatism amongst gun owners is amusing and frequently annoying. Especially when paired with innaccurate information. 8) Which I think is the point I'm trying to make. We all have preferences, and just because John has one preference and Dudu another, doesn't justify his assertion that this derringer isn't suitable. Well, would you truly expect Doodoo to be rational or even courteous about anything? A very valid point, I will grant you. I assume you guys have noticed that he has deserted the thread. ;) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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"RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "BDK" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:29:19 -0700, John Smith wrote: .410 buck (or a choice), .357/.38 .... good obama blaster, criminal public servant controller, etc. Could stop 'em from stealing you SW radio, golf clubs, other guns, or save your arse when you wake up to the conspiracy and the conspirators want you silenced! http://bondarmsusa.com/ (make sure you watch the video!) Would even fit in the san fransicko boys' purses! Regards, JS **** that. This is a much better weapon. http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html Five shots, better reload time, much more accurate. Leave it to Johnny Kook to pick a POS like a Bond Arms 2 shot. Dozens of better guns out there. Depends on what you're after. On a shot per shot basis, the .410 is going to deliver more to target. effectively ten 30 caliber pellets to target in the time it takes to pull the trigger twice. A .410 handgun round contains 8 or 9 pellets if it is a #4 shot. That's about right, the problem is you lose space because the pellets are staggered. Thus a lot of the shell capacity is empty air. It contains 3 pellets if it is 000 which is approximately .36 caliber. Maybe a few brands, but if you look around even in 2.5" you can get 4 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...ctNumber=53316 6 and in 3" (which I believe I mentioned somewhere) you get 5 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=170759 and .36 matches up nicely with the .357 caliber of the .38 and .357. A 12ga shoots about 9 pellets in 00. Again, with the 12, you lose capacity because the pellets are staggered. In the .410 they are neatly lined up, making maximum use of the available space. Use a buffered shot and you will get a nice tight group at close ranges. Whereas the Ruger is going to take 5 trigger pulls, a reload, and than another 5 trigger pulls. Nope. Go back and revisit the .410 load fired by a Judge. Are you talking the regular Judge or the 3" Judge? Both seem to contain the same number of pellets in 000. The difference is in the powder charge, apparently. Check the links given. You can get 5 pellets in a 3" shell, and 4 in a 2.5" shell. See yesterday's statement further down. One gives you 4 pellets of triple aught, the other gives you 5. Not per wiki. Midway sells them. Maybe wiki is wrong? There, corrected it for you. 2.5" shell holds 4, not 3 per http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=533166 The Bondarm's Century 2000 derringer, the gun under discussion, accepts up to a 3" .410 shell. Hence the 5 pellets discussed. Perhaps of 00.......but the heavy load mentioned was 000. Yep, and as cited above in a 3" shell even according to wiki it's 5 pellets of 000 Not nine as originally stated. That was the reason I mentioned 12ga. I've never said nine.....but let me check.....nope, closest I got was stating you would fire 10 pellets with TWO pulls of the trigger. "On a shot per shot basis, the .410 is going to deliver more to target. effectively ten 30 caliber pellets to target in the time it takes to pull the trigger twice." I think a slight misreading on your end. It happens. Glad we could clear that up. Of course, you could also load in a .410 with 5 pellets of 0000 buck (0.375). Of course, you're probably going to need to mail order those, and I think only a few manufacturers even make them. :-) That's not to say that one is a better gun than the other, but as in so much it depends on what you're looking for it to do. Also the .410 loading is generally reported to have a fairly high 1 shot stop percentage, since you are usually effectively hitting the target multiple times in 1 shot. Three, if all impact and you are shooting 000 buck. Actually even if more than 1 hit, you will still be hitting the target multiple times. :-) Same with two trigger pulls on an SP-101. Yea, but 2 trigger pulls take longer than 1. Yes, but not as long as one trigger pull, a search for the damn gun...and another trigger pull.....if one is up to it. Those derringers have a very nasty recoil and not much to hang on to. Hmmm... While the recoil is punishing, I've never dropped one when firing it yet. Not even the first time. However, if that's the case, odds are you didn't hit much of consequence unless you're talking the head. Both at close range would be effective to center mass....the edge going to the .410. Simply my point, the .410 derringer isn't automatically unsuitable as Dudu asserted. You still pay attention to his claims? Not really, just tend to slap him about when he makes foolish ones. Maybe he will learn. Otherwise it's simple amusement. You need to fire both barrels in a Bond 2 shot to equal the number of rounds in an SP-101. Uh, an SP-101 in .38/.357 only holds 5 rounds. That's equal to the number of pellets of triple or quad aught buck in a 3" shell. Again, not per wiki on the .410 shotshell. Anyway, I have three SP-101s (as you can tell, I hate them), two in .357 and one in .327Federal. The latter holds six rounds. True, but Dudu cited the .38/.357 Again, my comments weren't intended to address all the possible combinations, only to challenge Dudu's immediate dismissal of the derringer and the assertion that the SP101 would be drastically better for self defense. See above statement on Dudu's veracity.... So you would have to fire until empty, reload, and then empty again, your SP101 to get an equal number of lead pieces headed downrange to match those produced by 2 pulls of the Bond's trigger. :-) Not going to argue with you. You can see what wiki says as well as I can. Yep, and in this case it was wrong. Which is why I provided the cites above for you. Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) Oh, I agree they aren't a pleasure to shoot....but generally you're not shooting them for enjoyment. Based on reports and testing, the rounds that produce the best one shot stops are those that produce a nice hydrostatic shock wave in the blood pressure that effectively shuts down the brain for a period of time. Now that's not to say they are going to stay down, only that they are going to drop on the first shot and stay down for a bit. Shotguns do this quite effectively since they tend to dump a large part of their energy to a broad section of the body inducing such a hydrostatic shock. This, of course, depends upon a reasonably direct impact to center mass. So it all depends on your preferences, choices, and so on. This is true. My biggest objection would be the weight of the piece which IMO makes it less of a carry piece. On the other hand it's flat which again IMO makes it easier to conceal than a revolver. True with the Bond derringer, not so with a Taurus Judge or the S&W. Well, I wasn't intending this to be an in-depth review of all the variations, only contesting Dudu's immediate and apparently arbitrary dismissal of the Century 2000 as being unsuitable for self defense, and challenging each of his talking points to establish that. Dudu tends to run off half cocked over anything you say or suggest so I don't pay much attention to him on those points. What got me going was mention of the SP-101. It is one of the things he and I agree on. It is an excellent gun. It is, and I'm not challenging that. I'm simply challenging his dismissal of the derringer as something far worse. About the only point that was really valid was the accuracy issue, but at self defense ranges a gun doesn't need to be particularly accurate hence my noting it as pretty much a moot point. Fair enough. I thought so. :-) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ..against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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"RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "Gray Guest" wrote in message 44.100... "Scout" wrote in : "Gray Guest" wrote in message 44.100... "Scout" wrote in news:j6182n : "Gray Guest" wrote in message 44.100... "Scout" wrote in : "RD Sandman" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote in : "BDK" wrote in message . .. In article , says... On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:29:19 -0700, John Smith wrote: .410 buck (or a choice), .357/.38 .... good obama blaster, criminal public servant controller, etc. Could stop 'em from stealing you SW radio, golf clubs, other guns, or save your arse when you wake up to the conspiracy and the conspirators want you silenced! http://bondarmsusa.com/ (make sure you watch the video!) Would even fit in the san fransicko boys' purses! Regards, JS **** that. This is a much better weapon. http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html Five shots, better reload time, much more accurate. Leave it to Johnny Kook to pick a POS like a Bond Arms 2 shot. Dozens of better guns out there. Depends on what you're after. On a shot per shot basis, the .410 is going to deliver more to target. effectively ten 30 caliber pellets to target in the time it takes to pull the trigger twice. A .410 handgun round contains 8 or 9 pellets if it is a #4 shot. That's about right, the problem is you lose space because the pellets are staggered. Thus a lot of the shell capacity is empty air. It contains 3 pellets if it is 000 which is approximately .36 caliber. Maybe a few brands, but if you look around even in 2.5" you can get 4 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...roductNumber=5 3316 6 and in 3" (which I believe I mentioned somewhere) you get 5 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=170759 and .36 matches up nicely with the .357 caliber of the .38 and .357. A 12ga shoots about 9 pellets in 00. Again, with the 12, you lose capacity because the pellets are staggered. In the .410 they are neatly lined up, making maximum use of the available space. Use a buffered shot and you will get a nice tight group at close ranges. Whereas the Ruger is going to take 5 trigger pulls, a reload, and than another 5 trigger pulls. Nope. Go back and revisit the .410 load fired by a Judge. Are you talking the regular Judge or the 3" Judge? One gives you 4 pellets of triple aught, the other gives you 5. The Bondarm's Century 2000 derringer, the gun under discussion, accepts up to a 3" .410 shell. Hence the 5 pellets discussed. Of course, you could also load in a .410 with 5 pellets of 0000 buck (0.375). Of course, you're probably going to need to mail order those, and I think only a few manufacturers even make them. :-) That's not to say that one is a better gun than the other, but as in so much it depends on what you're looking for it to do. Also the .410 loading is generally reported to have a fairly high 1 shot stop percentage, since you are usually effectively hitting the target multiple times in 1 shot. Three, if all impact and you are shooting 000 buck. Actually even if more than 1 hit, you will still be hitting the target multiple times. :-) However, if that's the case, odds are you didn't hit much of consequence unless you're talking the head. You need to fire both barrels in a Bond 2 shot to equal the number of rounds in an SP-101. Uh, an SP-101 in .38/.357 only holds 5 rounds. That's equal to the number of pellets of triple or quad aught buck in a 3" shell. So you would have to fire until empty, reload, and then empty again, your SP101 to get an equal number of lead pieces headed downrange to match those produced by 2 pulls of the Bond's trigger. :-) Based on reports and testing, the rounds that produce the best one shot stops are those that produce a nice hydrostatic shock wave in the blood pressure that effectively shuts down the brain for a period of time. Now that's not to say they are going to stay down, only that they are going to drop on the first shot and stay down for a bit. Shotguns do this quite effectively since they tend to dump a large part of their energy to a broad section of the body inducing such a hydrostatic shock. This, of course, depends upon a reasonably direct impact to center mass. So it all depends on your preferences, choices, and so on. This is true. My biggest objection would be the weight of the piece which IMO makes it less of a carry piece. On the other hand it's flat which again IMO makes it easier to conceal than a revolver. True with the Bond derringer, not so with a Taurus Judge or the S&W. Well, I wasn't intending this to be an in-depth review of all the variations, only contesting Dudu's immediate and apparently arbitrary dismissal of the Century 2000 as being unsuitable for self defense, and challenging each of his talking points to establish that. About the only point that was really valid was the accuracy issue, but at self defense ranges a gun doesn't need to be particularly accurate hence my noting it as pretty much a moot point. Honestly, after several years of looking at derringers and some of the absurd calibers they come in, I find it hard to fault the choice of any lightweight J frame. The more serious calibers are often as wide and nearly as long and always weigh more. Mine hides very well and while reloading isn't really an issue at close range (IMO) reloading a derringer can be a PITA. I bought some Speed Strips and I can carry the J-Frame and 2 Speed strips very comfortably. I really only would carry it if the 908 or G-19 was impractical for some reason, though. Different strokes for different folks. Doesn't mean a derringer in .410 is the automatically bad choice Dudu tried to assert. You have your preferences, I have mine, Dudu has his, and John has his. But a .410 is a proven performer. Undoubtedly, I have merely stated my preference. Dogmatism amongst gun owners is amusing and frequently annoying. Especially when paired with innaccurate information. 8) Which I think is the point I'm trying to make. We all have preferences, and just because John has one preference and Dudu another, doesn't justify his assertion that this derringer isn't suitable. Well, would you truly expect Doodoo to be rational or even courteous about anything? A very valid point, I will grant you. 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On Sep 30, 12:15*pm, RD Sandman wrote:
"Scout" wrote : "RD Sandman" wrote in message .. . "Scout" wrote in : "RD Sandman" wrote in message . .. "Scout" wrote in : "BDK" wrote in message .com... In article , says... On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:29:19 -0700, John Smith wrote: .410 buck (or a choice), .357/.38 .... good obama blaster, criminal public servant controller, etc. Could stop 'em from stealing you SW radio, golf clubs, other guns, or save your arse when you wake up to the conspiracy and the conspirators want you silenced! http://bondarmsusa.com/ (make sure you watch the video!) Would even fit in the san fransicko boys' purses! Regards, JS **** that. *This is a much better weapon. http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/index.html Five shots, better reload time, much more accurate. Leave it to Johnny Kook to pick a POS like a Bond Arms 2 shot. Dozens of better guns out there. Depends on what you're after. On a shot per shot basis, the .410 is going to deliver more to target. effectively ten 30 caliber pellets to target in the time it takes to pull the trigger twice. A .410 handgun round contains 8 or 9 pellets if it is a #4 shot. That's about right, the problem is you lose space because the pellets are staggered. Thus a lot of the shell capacity is empty air. It contains 3 pellets if it is 000 which is approximately .36 caliber. Maybe a few brands, but if you look around even in 2.5" you can get 4 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...ctNumber=53316 6 and in 3" (which I believe I mentioned somewhere) you get 5 pellets. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=170759 and .36 matches up nicely with the .357 caliber of the .38 and .357. *A 12ga shoots about 9 pellets in 00. Again, with the 12, you lose capacity because the pellets are staggered. In the .410 they are neatly lined up, making maximum use of the available space. Use a buffered shot and you will get a nice tight group at close ranges. Whereas the Ruger is going to take 5 trigger pulls, a reload, and than another 5 trigger pulls. Nope. *Go back and revisit the .410 load fired by a Judge. Are you talking the regular Judge or the 3" Judge? Both seem to contain the same number of pellets in 000. *The difference is in the powder charge, apparently. Check the links given. You can get 5 pellets in a 3" shell, and 4 in a 2.5" shell. See yesterday's statement further down. One gives you 4 pellets of triple aught, the other gives you 5. Not per wiki. Midway sells them. Maybe wiki is wrong? There, corrected it for you. 2.5" shell holds 4, not 3 per http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=533166 The Bondarm's Century 2000 derringer, the gun under discussion, accepts up to a 3" .410 shell. Hence the 5 pellets discussed. Perhaps of 00.......but the heavy load mentioned was 000. Yep, and as cited above in a 3" shell even according to wiki it's 5 pellets of 000 Not nine as originally stated. *That was the reason I mentioned 12ga. Of course, you could also load in a .410 with 5 pellets of 0000 buck (0.375). Of course, you're probably going to need to mail order those, and I think only a few manufacturers even make them. :-) That's not to say that one is a better gun than the other, but as in so much it depends on what you're looking for it to do. Also the .410 loading is generally reported to have a fairly high 1 shot stop percentage, since you are usually effectively hitting the target multiple times in 1 shot. Three, if all impact and you are shooting 000 buck. Actually even if more than 1 hit, you will still be hitting the target multiple times. :-) Same with two trigger pulls on an SP-101. Yea, but 2 trigger pulls take longer than 1. - Yes, but not as long as one trigger pull, - a search for the damn gun... That's the One-Shot {inside-a-room} scenario. -female-using-both-hands-on-one-knee-in-a-corner- and another trigger pull.....if one is up to it. *IF* that One-Shot missed or did not stop him -then- The Last Shot [#2] is to Shove the Gun in his Gut as he come to you and Pull the Trigger. |
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... I assume you guys have noticed that he has deserted the thread. ;) Maybe he got bogged down in deep dudu? Regards, JS |
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"Thomas Heger" wrote in message ... Am 29.09.2011 17:04, schrieb SaPeIsMa: But - for example- what kind of benefit do you expect from the invasion of Afghanistan, Somalia, Irak? It always ends like Vietnam: with a lot of dead soldiers and no real gain. Afghanistan was to attack and destabilize the Taliban At the time, becoming a major force force in creating radical Islamofascists. Somalia was at the time supposed to be an aid mission that was badly planned and executed Somalia was one of the poorest countries of the world in that time. The Americans managed to make things even worse, since now there are pirates from that country, that threaten the ships coming from the Suez Canal. Really And naturally, other than making a fatuous and unsubstantiated claim, you can provide a CAUSAL explanation to support that claim ? It is hard to believe how these people could be a thread to the US military, since there wasn't even a government, hence no real army - only tribal forces with not much more than a self-made mortar. Your stupid strawman I'll leave you to feed it.. Why did the US forces failed to create at least a little bit stability? Because 1) They didn't go there in large enough numbers to control the whole country 2) They were sent to take out a specific warlord 3) They project was undermanned and poorly planned by the powers that be 4) They then ran into a serious problem (Blackhawk Down) 5) The politicians then got cold feet and pulled out.. Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid allegations about what happened and what followed. Iraq was a multiple level play a) limit and ultimately get rid of Saddam b) Send a message to Iran and others that they are NOT invulnerable because they are far from the US c) an opportunity to destroy a whole bunch of jihadists d) curb local mullahs e) Come to the aid of the Kurds and southern Iraqis who were being massacred wholesale by Saddam. Just to name a few... Actually the Kurds had more problems with the Turks, which is a country the Americans support. Diversion noted Don't change the subject to avoid facing data you did NOT know.. |
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On 9/30/2011 4:39 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:
... Good points I believe he's already read De Tocqueville (But clearly, I need to read him). So we need something more recent. You can read a lot of stuff, and it is good, indeed, the sum total of what any individual is, is based, mainly, on what they have learned from the world and others. However, some point along your educations, after you have crossed over the very simple, been wham-boggled by the overly complex, and had the con men of the world teach you their lessons ... you finally have a complete enough picture to be able to create a model of the world in your mind. For me, there are some very simple and basic truths, they were all available early on, but I could not see their importance ... now the fog is beginning to clear ... Family is important ... today, more important than ever, and with the droves of children removed from their families, used as a source of income for foster families and then dumped, in many cases like trash, out on street with no support, this becomes staggeringly apparent -- indeed, we have created a whole army of these "citizens" to now fill our prisons -- and far into the future -- and we continue to do so at an alarming rate. Friends are important, and in a world full of morons, imbeciles and idiots, never has the importance been more apparent. My grandmother once said to me that if, over the course of a lifetime, you were able to gather a mere small handful of friends, you were fortunate beyond belief .... I am embarrassed I took exception with her wisdom, back then ... The realization that no less than this planet, the trees, the stars, the oceans, etc. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE! Your creator provided land, water, food, resources for you, to support your life, the family you would create, the rights for you to enjoy, the diversions to entertain you ... but, evil men and women were created to prevent you from enjoying your birth rights -- and it is a forever battle and takes your commitment to ensure you secure these, for yourself, your family, your friends, etc. Today, there are strong attempts by criminals, and even by criminals in high places who illegal hold positions which were created to look out for people, to help and assist people, to push further the betterment of mankind, his pursuits, his rewards, the quality of his life, etc. Indeed, these institutions which were created by man, for man have now taken on a seeming life of their own -- they now attempt to enslave other groups of men, to control other groups of men -- even down to the control of others thoughts, actions and activities -- they now carry the actions of criminals because they are being run by criminals. As you get caught up in the complexities, plans, schemes, contrivances, aspirations, goals, etc. of other men, it is easy to loose a grip on what is real, what is important, what has real meaning ... the time has simply come for men who have fallen asleep to awaken, to claim what is theirs, to do the right thing, and to restore sanity to an insane world .... actually, these are the best of times to live in, exciting, and like I have said, a time when there is ample opportunity of men of great worth and caliber to step forward and become the type of heroes which are immortalized in history ... each waking day advances us one small step towards the time of real men, again ... Regards, JS |
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Cross posting MORONS... "What a Maroon! Will ya get a load of this Maroon?" --Bugs Bunny ROTFLMAO!!! ;D Hey, numbnuts; it's YOU who started this Cross-posted thread in: rec.radio.shortwave, talk.politics.guns, rec.sport.golf, alt.conspiracy Q. Does Usenet help stamp out ignorance? A. That depends on whether by `stamp out' you mean `eliminate' or `reproduce rapidly in great quantity.' -- Dr. Roger M. Firestone "If Ignorance is Bliss, then Liberalism must be Nirvana" |
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Am 01.10.2011 16:46, schrieb SaPeIsMa:
"Thomas Heger" wrote in message ... Am 29.09.2011 17:04, schrieb SaPeIsMa: But - for example- what kind of benefit do you expect from the invasion of Afghanistan, Somalia, Irak? It always ends like Vietnam: with a lot of dead soldiers and no real gain. Afghanistan was to attack and destabilize the Taliban At the time, becoming a major force force in creating radical Islamofascists. Somalia was at the time supposed to be an aid mission that was badly planned and executed Somalia was one of the poorest countries of the world in that time. The Americans managed to make things even worse, since now there are pirates from that country, that threaten the ships coming from the Suez Canal. Really And naturally, other than making a fatuous and unsubstantiated claim, you can provide a CAUSAL explanation to support that claim ? (Sorry, but I do not understand, what you want. Maybe it's a question of language. But could you please repeat your question with some other words.) I didn't understand, what the US forces wanted to achieve in Somalia. Maybe something like aid (for whom ??). Somehow they didn't get what they came for (my guess), but I don't know, what that was. In any case Somalia was (and is) an extreme case of 'third world' and these 'war lords' had no real army. The greatest thread was - maybe- a Toyota pick-up with a AK47 mounted on top. Somehow the US forces managed to loose a few of their high-tech helicopters, because they were shot down. (with bow and arrow?) Then the US lost interest in that country and left it, worse then before. So: where is the 'aid'? and what is the benefit for America from this adventure? It is hard to believe how these people could be a thread to the US military, since there wasn't even a government, hence no real army - only tribal forces with not much more than a self-made mortar. Your stupid strawman I'll leave you to feed it.. ??? What ??? 'Strawman' ? The translation 'Strohmann' in German is a person, that pretends to be an independent individual, but is secretly a puppet for somebody else (hidden). 'Your strawman' would mean, I had somebody in control???? Why did the US forces failed to create at least a little bit stability? Because 1) They didn't go there in large enough numbers to control the whole country 2) They were sent to take out a specific warlord 3) They project was undermanned and poorly planned by the powers that be 4) They then ran into a serious problem (Blackhawk Down) 5) The politicians then got cold feet and pulled out.. Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual, especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets, individuals could usually be identified with. But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to find a specific war lord. (?) Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid allegations about what happened and what followed. sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of research. TH |
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On 10/1/2011 10:35 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
On Oct 1, 12:25 pm, John stamped out: Cross posting MORONS... "What a Maroon! Will ya get a load of this Maroon?" --Bugs Bunny ROTFLMAO!!! ;D Hey, numbnuts; it's YOU who started this Cross-posted thread in: rec.radio.shortwave, talk.politics.guns, rec.sport.golf, alt.conspiracy Q. Does Usenet help stamp out ignorance? A. That depends on whether by `stamp out' you mean `eliminate' or `reproduce rapidly in great quantity.' -- Dr. Roger M. Firestone "If Ignorance is Bliss, then Liberalism must be Nirvana" ROFLOL ... uh, make up a list, post it in response to my post here, when I get a chance, I will review, can't make you any more promises that ... I am sure you understand ... grin Regards, JS |
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4.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are far less painful. Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those light guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy ****!!", fire another time and by the third round are looking for the exit. ;) To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in is heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327 Federal feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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On 9/30/2011 12:17 PM, RD Sandman wrote: ... I assume you guys have noticed that he has deserted the thread. ;) Maybe he got bogged down in deep dudu? Regards, JS Could well be. Apparently it caused some kind of identity crisis. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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@mid.individual.net: Am 01.10.2011 16:46, schrieb SaPeIsMa: "Thomas Heger" wrote in message ... Am 29.09.2011 17:04, schrieb SaPeIsMa: But - for example- what kind of benefit do you expect from the invasion of Afghanistan, Somalia, Irak? It always ends like Vietnam: with a lot of dead soldiers and no real gain. Afghanistan was to attack and destabilize the Taliban At the time, becoming a major force force in creating radical Islamofascists. Somalia was at the time supposed to be an aid mission that was badly planned and executed Somalia was one of the poorest countries of the world in that time. The Americans managed to make things even worse, since now there are pirates from that country, that threaten the ships coming from the Suez Canal. Really And naturally, other than making a fatuous and unsubstantiated claim, you can provide a CAUSAL explanation to support that claim ? (Sorry, but I do not understand, what you want. Maybe it's a question of language. But could you please repeat your question with some other words.) I didn't understand, what the US forces wanted to achieve in Somalia. Maybe something like aid (for whom ??). Somehow they didn't get what they came for (my guess), but I don't know, what that was. In any case Somalia was (and is) an extreme case of 'third world' and these 'war lords' had no real army. The greatest thread was - maybe- a Toyota pick-up with a AK47 mounted on top. Somehow the US forces managed to loose a few of their high-tech helicopters, because they were shot down. (with bow and arrow?) Then the US lost interest in that country and left it, worse then before. So: where is the 'aid'? and what is the benefit for America from this adventure? It is hard to believe how these people could be a thread to the US military, since there wasn't even a government, hence no real army - only tribal forces with not much more than a self-made mortar. Your stupid strawman I'll leave you to feed it.. ??? What ??? 'Strawman' ? The translation 'Strohmann' in German is a person, that pretends to be an independent individual, but is secretly a puppet for somebody else (hidden). 'Your strawman' would mean, I had somebody in control???? Why did the US forces failed to create at least a little bit stability? Because 1) They didn't go there in large enough numbers to control the whole country 2) They were sent to take out a specific warlord 3) They project was undermanned and poorly planned by the powers that be 4) They then ran into a serious problem (Blackhawk Down) 5) The politicians then got cold feet and pulled out.. Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual, especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets, individuals could usually be identified with. But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to find a specific war lord. (?) Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid allegations about what happened and what followed. sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of research. TH If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are particularly unqualified to comment. -- Words of wisdom What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage. |
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: Gray Guest wrote in 4.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are far less painful. Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those light guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy ****!!", fire another time and by the third round are looking for the exit. ;) To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in is heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327 Federal feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;) Sp-101 is the shot, is it not? The 5 shot .357 is what I shot. Maybe it was the grips. I like recoil but to much is enough. And I looked at the Scandiums and almost coughed up a lung laughing. I have my 642(?) blued, concealed hammer, airweight 5 shot Jframe and I like it plenty. Just use good bullets and practice. Self abuse is supposed to be pleasureable, isn't it? 8) -- Words of wisdom What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage. |
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44.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Gray Guest wrote in 4.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are far less painful. Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those light guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy ****!!", fire another time and by the third round are looking for the exit. ;) To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in is heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327 Federal feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;) Sp-101 is the shot, is it not? The 5 shot .357 is what I shot. Maybe it was the grips. I like recoil but to much is enough. Oh, well........I have carried one for over twenty years. Used it as an adjunct to my old(?) GP-100 with a 3" bbl. Sold the GP-100 (what a mistake that was) and now have the three SP-101s. However, if they would make a GP100 in .44 spl, I would buy another one in heartbeat. And I looked at the Scandiums and almost coughed up a lung laughing. I have my 642(?) blued, concealed hammer, airweight 5 shot Jframe and I like it plenty. Just use good bullets and practice. That airweight Jframe should be at least as abusive as the SP-101. You are looking at 11 ounces (J frame) compared to 25 ounces (SP-101) Both empty. Self abuse is supposed to be pleasureable, isn't it? 8) As long as the gun fits..... it is pleasurable to shoot. One reason why there are so many choices out there. -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:23 -0700, John Smith
wrote: The realization that no less than this planet, the trees, the stars, the oceans, etc. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE! Your creator provided land, water, food, resources for you, to support your life, the family you would create, the rights for you to enjoy, the diversions to entertain you ... but, evil men and women were created to prevent you from enjoying your birth rights -- and it is a forever battle and takes your commitment to ensure you secure these, for yourself, your family, your friends, etc. But we have a duty to take care of this gift and to pass it on to future generations. -- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found, than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department." - James Madison |
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On 10/1/2011 3:21 PM, Howard Brazee wrote:
On Sat, 01 Oct 2011 09:50:23 -0700, John wrote: The realization that no less than this planet, the trees, the stars, the oceans, etc. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE! Your creator provided land, water, food, resources for you, to support your life, the family you would create, the rights for you to enjoy, the diversions to entertain you ... but, evil men and women were created to prevent you from enjoying your birth rights -- and it is a forever battle and takes your commitment to ensure you secure these, for yourself, your family, your friends, etc. But we have a duty to take care of this gift and to pass it on to future generations. Well, if you are really that concerned with all that, you can just kill yourself now, and let those future generations enjoy it -- I mean, it is America and you should have that right! Regards, JS |
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: Gray Guest wrote in 44.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Gray Guest wrote in 4.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are far less painful. Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those light guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy ****!!", fire another time and by the third round are looking for the exit. ;) To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in is heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327 Federal feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;) Sp-101 is the shot, is it not? The 5 shot .357 is what I shot. Maybe it was the grips. I like recoil but to much is enough. Oh, well........I have carried one for over twenty years. Used it as an adjunct to my old(?) GP-100 with a 3" bbl. Sold the GP-100 (what a mistake that was) and now have the three SP-101s. However, if they would make a GP100 in .44 spl, I would buy another one in heartbeat. Amen. I would love a .44 Spl revolver! And I looked at the Scandiums and almost coughed up a lung laughing. I have my 642(?) blued, concealed hammer, airweight 5 shot Jframe and I like it plenty. Just use good bullets and practice. That airweight Jframe should be at least as abusive as the SP-101. You are looking at 11 ounces (J frame) compared to 25 ounces (SP-101) Both empty. Yeah but the .38, even the +P don't seem as vigorous as .357. Maybe it was the rounds we were shooting. I have a 2.5" M-19 (old FBI trade in form when they went to the 10mm, very slick) that is easy to shoot even with hot loads. It has Pachmyar RB grips though. I really think it is about the grips in a lot of cases. I'm kinda funny about what I'll carry though. The guns i do carry have been flawless or very easily adjusted by myself. Anything to untoward I get uncomfortable. Had a Taurus 85CH. Great gun. Firing pin broke. Even though they fized it under warranty and I'm sure it was fine I just couldn't put it in my pocket again. Ended up selling it. Same thing with the 101. Bad first impression makes me less likely to go back for more. Not saying it's a bad gun, enough people swear by them. It's just personal preference. Self abuse is supposed to be pleasureable, isn't it? 8) As long as the gun fits..... it is pleasurable to shoot. One reason why there are so many choices out there. I had a Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. You know the one with the squared trigger guard? I loved it until the first session at the range. The damn corner tore the Hell outta my knuckles. I was holdling it right, it's just the way it recoiled. OTOH my wife has the Ruger Mk II. Love it. Great to shoot. And my heavy barrel 10/22? It's indecent how much I love that thing. I have to watch when I shooting it because I can go through a LOT of .22 in an afternoon, it's such a pleasure to shoot. I use steel plate swingers and just try to keep 'em moving so I don't have to worry about changing out paper targets. Man it's a blast! -- Words of wisdom What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage. |
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Gray Guest wrote in
4.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Gray Guest wrote in 44.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Gray Guest wrote in 4.100: RD Sandman wrote in : Fair enough.......I have, as mentioned, three of the SP-101s and none of the derringers.....although a friend of mine has about 10 of them. He isn't thrilled about shooting them either. ;) I shot an SP-101. Once. There is no reason to subject yourself to that as there are equally effective gun/cartridge combos that are far less painful. Huh? The SP-101 is a relatively heavy gun for a snubbie. That is one of the complaints about it. If you think it is vicious in recoil, you really should stay away from any of the Scandiums from S&W, or the titaniums from Taurus. Keep in mind that in those light guns, most folks shooting .357 Mags, fire once, think "Holy ****!!", fire another time and by the third round are looking for the exit. ;) To me, there are several poly semi autos in 9mm that the recoil in is heavier than an SP-101 in .357 Mag. Hell, the SP-101 in .327 Federal feels like a fart compared to a windstorm. ;) Sp-101 is the shot, is it not? The 5 shot .357 is what I shot. Maybe it was the grips. I like recoil but to much is enough. Oh, well........I have carried one for over twenty years. Used it as an adjunct to my old(?) GP-100 with a 3" bbl. Sold the GP-100 (what a mistake that was) and now have the three SP-101s. However, if they would make a GP100 in .44 spl, I would buy another one in heartbeat. Amen. I would love a .44 Spl revolver! I have three......a New Model Blackhawk, a Colt SAA, and a Taurus 445. I also have one .44Mag, a Sporting Arms, Inc Seville Sheriff's model. I carried the Taurus for a long time. I also had and sold two Rossi 720Cs. Excellent guns. Smooth trigger in operation but I didn't like the feel of it where it was grooved. I smoothed one of them out but not the other. Got too good an offer for them. And I looked at the Scandiums and almost coughed up a lung laughing. I have my 642(?) blued, concealed hammer, airweight 5 shot Jframe and I like it plenty. Just use good bullets and practice. That airweight Jframe should be at least as abusive as the SP-101. You are looking at 11 ounces (J frame) compared to 25 ounces (SP-101) Both empty. Yeah but the .38, even the +P don't seem as vigorous as .357. It's not but both of the guns I mentioned there are available as .357s. Additionally, just 'cause one has a .357, it doesn't make it that you must shoot .357s in it. I know several folks with .357 snubbies who carry .38 spl +P or +P+ in them. Maybe it was the rounds we were shooting. I have a 2.5" M-19 (old FBI trade in form when they went to the 10mm, very slick) that is easy to shoot even with hot loads. It has Pachmyar RB grips though. I really think it is about the grips in a lot of cases. Grips make a big difference. My 445 didn't come with the Ribber grip that Taurus makes but it can be added. That Ribber grip does come with the titanium model, just not the steel one. I'm kinda funny about what I'll carry though. The guns i do carry have been flawless or very easily adjusted by myself. Anything to untoward I get uncomfortable. Had a Taurus 85CH. Great gun. Firing pin broke. Even though they fized it under warranty and I'm sure it was fine I just couldn't put it in my pocket again. Ended up selling it. Good gun, I have a Taurus Ultra lite....snappy little sucker with +P but it means well. Same thing with the 101. Bad first impression makes me less likely to go back for more. Not saying it's a bad gun, enough people swear by them. It's just personal preference. As noted, that is why there are so many choices.....there is no one size fits all. Self abuse is supposed to be pleasureable, isn't it? 8) As long as the gun fits..... it is pleasurable to shoot. One reason why there are so many choices out there. I had a Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag. You know the one with the squared trigger guard? I loved it until the first session at the range. The damn corner tore the Hell outta my knuckles. I was holdling it right, it's just the way it recoiled. Shoot a Redhawk sometime. Another excellent gun from Ruger. OTOH my wife has the Ruger Mk II. Love it. Great to shoot. And my heavy barrel 10/22? It's indecent how much I love that thing. I have to watch when I shooting it because I can go through a LOT of .22 in an afternoon, it's such a pleasure to shoot. I use steel plate swingers and just try to keep 'em moving so I don't have to worry about changing out paper targets. Man it's a blast! ;) -- Sleep well tonight, RD (The Sandman) WINE - Does not make you FAT....it makes you LEAN.... ...against tables, chairs, floors, walls and ugly people... |
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Am 01.10.2011 20:30, schrieb Gray Guest:
Thomas wrote in news:9ep1fdF442U1 @mid.individual.net: Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual, especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets, individuals could usually be identified with. But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to find a specific war lord. (?) Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid allegations about what happened and what followed. sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of research. TH If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are particularly unqualified to comment. I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were there is any befit from this. In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the USA look particularly happy. You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And this is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing for civil war). So, were is the benefit? Greetings TH |
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Guten Tag/Guten Morgen/whichever the case may be.
(Y'all didn't know I know German language, I don't know it, except for a few German words) Yeah, in fact of the business,,,, More and more everyday, more Americans are NOT trusting American Government, and Rightly so too. http://www.rense.com Liberty Survivor, Phil Tourney & James Morris on McCain email. cuhulin |
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Thomas Heger wrote in :
Am 01.10.2011 20:30, schrieb Gray Guest: Thomas wrote in news:9ep1fdF442U1 @mid.individual.net: Well, Somalia is larger than you think and is full of deserts and mountains. It could be real hard to find a certain individual, especially since they don't use all these electronic gadgets, individuals could usually be identified with. But you don't want to tell me, the US army/navy/air force went there, to find a specific war lord. (?) Why do you have to demonstrate such abyssal ignorance And since you are so ignorant, maybe you should stop making stupid allegations about what happened and what followed. sorry, but this thread is a bit out of my usual range of subjects and meandered somewhere even more remote. But I don't think my statements are that wrong. But if you are interested, I can do a little bit of research. TH If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are particularly unqualified to comment. I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were there is any befit from this. So you don't actually know the answer then? Just checking. In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot Name each one. of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the USA look particularly happy. So, where was the guarantee of happy? Killing Nazis, communists and Islamofacists is it's own reward. You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And this is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing for civil war). So, were is the benefit? Um, no. The original post was from some douchebag shilling for derringers as the ultimate defensice weapon for personal protection. Now, don't you feel stupid? I mena, more than usual. Greetings TH -- Words of wisdom What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage. |
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How to create home made tear gas mask.
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Watchin 12:00 Pee Em WLBT 3 tee vee noos, (teh tee vee station that
doesn't exist, neither does WJTV 12 and neither does WAPT 16) one of the tee vee commercials was about DISCOUNT GUN SAFE in Pearl,Missy Sippy.Teh City of Pearl is just across the Pearl River from Jackson, about six miles East of doggy's couch Keep your Shootin Irons safe. http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?...rl+Mississippi cuhulin |
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Am 03.10.2011 03:53, schrieb SaPeIsMa:
... If you have to ask that question, now, all these years later, you are particularly unqualified to comment. I don't 'have to ask these questions'. Somalia was an example, but I could have taken another invasion and ask, why that was done and were there is any befit from this. In a century the USA fought - maybe - two hundred wars. That was a lot of 'help' (military aid) to the world. But neither the world nor the USA look particularly happy. And how many wars did the Euros start and fight during that time ? And how many Euros are particularly proud or happy about those wars You are right and Europeans fought even more wars than the USA, especially the UK, that holds the unofficial award for the most militaristic society on the planet. (Personally I think, that Hitler was an English spy, but that is my personal opinion only. Another is, that England regards the USA as a colony and uses its military to perform a few more invasions. ) The big difference in the great majority of wars where the US got involved are 1) It was to help someone else 2) It was to avoid someone else becoming the victim of statists There never was any guarantee that ALL of such attempts would be 100 % well executed or successful. But unlike countries like yours, the US has a far better record than anyone else. Yes, agreed. The USA usually win wars - but looses the peace. That seems to be a general pattern, that I do not understand. You see, the subject of this thread were small arms and how they could be used for self-defence - apparently against the own government. That is no sign for a population, that really trusts the government. And this is not, how a particularly happy society looks like (preparing for civil war). So, were is the benefit? I'm sure all those Jews, gypsies, and others whom the German government exterminated felt safe and secure in Germany right before it happened There are tales of many people, who later ended in camps, who felt that it just couldn't happen to them I do not want to justify the crimes of the German government in the so called 3rd Reich. Germany lost the war and was almost totally destroyed. Then the Nazis have left Germany, mainly in the direction of South America. But a god part went to the USA. These Nazis are dangerous people, especially to their host. Only fools who have learned nothing from history would actually trust and keep trusting governments Governments are tools to serve people But to often in the past, the tables were turned and the people ended up serving the few who controlled government. No, I don't agree. In a democracy the government is 'We, the people...'. These governments should never be a thread to their own people. That seems to be an American speciality, that we don't have in Germany. TH |
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