Am 16.10.2011 18:47, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in
:

...

This is the kind of stupidity that is so typical of the conspiracy
nuts


(Actually its not my business and I'm not a 'conspiracy nut'. )
...
Don't know, how to put all these pieces together and it's actually not
my business, but I suggest you Americans try to do that.

TH


Several here have tried. You aren't unique no matter what your mum told
you. So far, none of their theories have held any more water than yours
have.


I don't think so, because the people in the world act in a different
manners than you think. Knowledge follow an exponential curve. This
means, a certain idea is passed to - say - two (different) friends per
day - and so forth.
The idea spreads relatively slowly. But the last half of the Earth is
covered in a day. (Not quite, but as simplification)

So certain ideas are not visible for a very long time, but this doesn't
mean, they are not there. Only they are not visible.

But if the ideas have their own value and are is some respect 'better'
(as explanation), than they sooner or later outrun the competitors.

In the subjects you call 'conspiracies', there are several ideas, that
seem to be more 'true' (hence: 'truthers'), what gives these ideas
advantages over official explanations.

The 'truthers' will inevitably outrun official fairy tails, because
truth has advantages in explaining things.


TH

Thomas Heger wrote in news:9g1qeuFioqU1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 16.10.2011 18:47, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in
:

..

This is the kind of stupidity that is so typical of the conspiracy
nuts


(Actually its not my business and I'm not a 'conspiracy nut'. )
..
Don't know, how to put all these pieces together and it's actually
not
my business, but I suggest you Americans try to do that.

TH


Several here have tried. You aren't unique no matter what your mum
told
you. So far, none of their theories have held any more water than
yours
have.


I don't think so, because the people in the world act in a different
manners than you think.

Perhaps, perhaps not. You don't know what I think.

Knowledge follow an exponential curve. This
means, a certain idea is passed to - say - two (different) friends per
day - and so forth.
The idea spreads relatively slowly. But the last half of the Earth is
covered in a day. (Not quite, but as simplification)

My point was that your "truther" ideas are not unique to you, and in most
cases, didn't even start with you.

So certain ideas are not visible for a very long time, but this doesn't
mean, they are not there. Only they are not visible.

No one has claimed any different.

But if the ideas have their own value and are is some respect 'better'
(as explanation), than they sooner or later outrun the competitors.

Yes, but so far, the facts don't fit the conspiracy theories.

In the subjects you call 'conspiracies', there are several ideas, that
seem to be more 'true' (hence: 'truthers'), what gives these ideas
advantages over official explanations.

Only in the minds of those who have trouble handling the truth.

The 'truthers' will inevitably outrun official fairy tails, because
truth has advantages in explaining things.

Well, that happens (and it hasn't yet) it will be interesting....but so
far the truth remains and conspiracy theories are like weeds. If you
don't like the one you just saw, wait a bit and another will show up.


--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

Am 17.10.2011 19:11, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g1qeuFioqU1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 16.10.2011 18:47, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in
:
...

This is the kind of stupidity that is so typical of the conspiracy
nuts


(Actually its not my business and I'm not a 'conspiracy nut'. )
..
...

Several here have tried. You aren't unique no matter what your mum
told
you. So far, none of their theories have held any more water than
yours
...


But if the ideas have their own value and are is some respect 'better'
(as explanation), than they sooner or later outrun the competitors.

Yes, but so far, the facts don't fit the conspiracy theories.

In the subjects you call 'conspiracies', there are several ideas, that
seem to be more 'true' (hence: 'truthers'), what gives these ideas
advantages over official explanations.

Only in the minds of those who have trouble handling the truth.

The 'truthers' will inevitably outrun official fairy tails, because
truth has advantages in explaining things.

Well, that happens (and it hasn't yet) it will be interesting....but so
far the truth remains and conspiracy theories are like weeds. If you
don't like the one you just saw, wait a bit and another will show up.

Certainly interesting...

What if these 'theories' are in fact true. Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

Greetings

Thomas

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 17.10.2011 19:11, schrieb RD Sandman:

Well, that happens (and it hasn't yet) it will be interesting....but so
far the truth remains and conspiracy theories are like weeds. If you
don't like the one you just saw, wait a bit and another will show up.

Certainly interesting...

What if these 'theories' are in fact true. Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government? No
good things, I guess.

Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is the
possibility of massive violence in your country.

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a peaceful
manner.

Greetings

Thomas

Maybe you should spend a bit of time studying some comparative history
Let's say comparing the US and Germany over the last 100 years
Do tell us which of the 2 countries has had more violence against it's own
people and against it's neighbors over the last 2 centuries
And how many people died because of those actions

Before you ignorantly tell others what they should be doing, I strongly
suggest that you make sure your own house is in order.

Wild dogs terrorizing Saint Louis.
http://www.drudgereport.com

The three S S S.Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up.

They eat dogs in the Philippines?
cuhulin

"Thomas Heger" wrote in message
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Am 17.10.2011 19:11, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g1qeuFioqU1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 16.10.2011 18:47, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in
:
..

This is the kind of stupidity that is so typical of the conspiracy
nuts


(Actually its not my business and I'm not a 'conspiracy nut'. )
..
..

Several here have tried. You aren't unique no matter what your mum
told
you. So far, none of their theories have held any more water than
yours
..


But if the ideas have their own value and are is some respect 'better'
(as explanation), than they sooner or later outrun the competitors.

Yes, but so far, the facts don't fit the conspiracy theories.

In the subjects you call 'conspiracies', there are several ideas, that
seem to be more 'true' (hence: 'truthers'), what gives these ideas
advantages over official explanations.

Only in the minds of those who have trouble handling the truth.

The 'truthers' will inevitably outrun official fairy tails, because
truth has advantages in explaining things.

Well, that happens (and it hasn't yet) it will be interesting....but so
far the truth remains and conspiracy theories are like weeds. If you
don't like the one you just saw, wait a bit and another will show up.

Certainly interesting...

What if .....

you could actually stick to what you can prove rather than relying on
supposition, intuition, and poor reasoning?

Thomas Heger wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 17.10.2011 19:11, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g1qeuFioqU1
@mid.individual.net:

Am 16.10.2011 18:47, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in
:
..

This is the kind of stupidity that is so typical of the conspiracy
nuts


(Actually its not my business and I'm not a 'conspiracy nut'. )
..
..

Several here have tried. You aren't unique no matter what your mum
told
you. So far, none of their theories have held any more water than
yours
..


But if the ideas have their own value and are is some respect
'better'
(as explanation), than they sooner or later outrun the competitors.

Yes, but so far, the facts don't fit the conspiracy theories.

In the subjects you call 'conspiracies', there are several ideas,
that
seem to be more 'true' (hence: 'truthers'), what gives these ideas
advantages over official explanations.

Only in the minds of those who have trouble handling the truth.

The 'truthers' will inevitably outrun official fairy tails, because
truth has advantages in explaining things.

Well, that happens (and it hasn't yet) it will be interesting....but
so
far the truth remains and conspiracy theories are like weeds. If you
don't like the one you just saw, wait a bit and another will show up.

Certainly interesting...

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.

Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.




--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)

Witnessing Republicans and Democrats bickering over
the National Debt is like watching two drunks argue
over a bar bill on the Titanic.....

Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?
The claim is actually, that there are hidden forces, that try to
manipulate the society by hidden means.

Since they are hidden, these issues are not openly discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

I really liked JFK and especially this speech..


Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.


Well this is in fact true and everything you can do in reality is local.
So I try to fix things in my neighbourhood or in my own vicinity.

But the UseNet gives us the unique opportunity to discuss such subjects
around the globe, almost in realtime.


TH

On 10/18/2011 10:16 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?
The claim is actually, that there are hidden forces, that try to
manipulate the society by hidden means.

Since they are hidden, these issues are not openly discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

I really liked JFK and especially this speech..


Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.


Well this is in fact true and everything you can do in reality is local.
So I try to fix things in my neighbourhood or in my own vicinity.

But the UseNet gives us the unique opportunity to discuss such subjects
around the globe, almost in realtime.


TH


You and I agree here, probably different reasons though, the mafia and
criminals, tired of spending large amounts of time in prison,
infiltrated the public servant offices of the USA ... they are paid,
protected and supported by the criminal rich elite ... and perhaps those
too ignorant to realize what is happening.

However, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ...
the American citizens are waking up ...

Regards,
JS

Am 18.10.2011 22:07, schrieb John Smith:
On 10/18/2011 10:16 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
Am 18.10.2011 18:27, schrieb RD Sandman:
Thomas wrote in news:9g42k9F672U1
@mid.individual.net:

What if these 'theories' are in fact true.

So far, none of them have proved to be.

Not every one of course, but
one of them. What would it tell you about the people in the government?
No good things, I guess.

Most folks in government are just like you and me. They go to work, they
try to do a good job and then come home.



I do not agree. Do you know, why 'conspiracy theories' bear this name?
The claim is actually, that there are hidden forces, that try to
manipulate the society by hidden means.

Since they are hidden, these issues are not openly discussed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeYgLLahHv8

I really liked JFK and especially this speech..


Hope everything comes to a good end. But there are dangers and that is
the possibility of massive violence in your country.

There is the possibility of violence in virtually all countries. Yours,
mine, the one across the river....

This could not be beneficial for the rest of the world. My suggestion
would be, that Americans try to solve their issues, possibly in a
peaceful manner.

We do. My suggestion is that you should mind your own business and fix
things in your country rather than to try and fit conspiracy theories to
ours.


Well this is in fact true and everything you can do in reality is local.
So I try to fix things in my neighbourhood or in my own vicinity.

But the UseNet gives us the unique opportunity to discuss such subjects
around the globe, almost in realtime.


TH


You and I agree here, probably different reasons though, the mafia and
criminals, tired of spending large amounts of time in prison,
infiltrated the public servant offices of the USA ... they are paid,
protected and supported by the criminal rich elite ... and perhaps those
too ignorant to realize what is happening.

However, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ...
the American citizens are waking up ...


The common people in your country - like in mine - are 'milked' by
self-proclaimed elites. If not by them, there are the criminals, that
demand their share.

The common people cannot do very much, but certain things are possible.
I think, if people start to care about their own affairs and try to fix
things, that are actually in reach, than this could add up to a
generally better world.

I mean things like rubble in the streets or the 'pollution' a person
applies to his environment. This could all be reduced to make way for
more healthy developments.

There are lots of things, people - unknowingly - do, that symbolize
death or destruction. This is, what makes crowds look like they do. Lots
of music for example is full of criminal themes, praises the use of
drugs and tell youngsters, how to mess up relationships. Films, comics,
computer games all suggest, that criminal life is more 'fun'. Interiors,
tattoos, jewellery, clothing are often full of skulls and demons. This
is all sick to some extend and should be reduced.

An individual gives a more positive appearance, if the person is not
full of alcohol or sedatives, kind of washed and dressed in fresh clothes.

Now imagine, that all the people would do that: live happy and healthy
and try to imagine, how a city would look like. Certainly different, I
presume.

Once people realize, that they can live a better life and try to achieve
this, the society would slowly change. This could free energies, that
enable people to take back control upon the own affairs.

The thread upon the common people will fall together once they realize,
that the government belongs to them and not the other way round. This
could be achieved, if the little officials are closer bound to laws and
small crimes by officials are actually prosecuted. All these things are
already illegal, like corruption, inside trading, drug or arms
trafficking, blackmailing, violence..

This is just the opposite of what those elites want, since they want to
milk the common people.

TH