On 11/16/11 15:21 , flipper wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:01:11 -0600, "D. Peter Maus"
wrote:

On 11/15/11 19:05 , flipper wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:45:09 -0600, "D. Peter Maus"
wrote:

On 11/11/11 08:42 , Lord Valve wrote:

If you are paranoid, you an even find stores in many places where you can buy
a refurbished radio for cash and leave a fake name and address.

Huh?

Where are you posting from? Why would anyone need to
leave his name and address - fake or otherwise - when
purchasing a radio?


Because cash transactions are coming under the scrutiny of
authority, today. Louisiana just became the most recent state to
require identity of purchaser in a cash transaction or a ban on the
cash transaction. Even a used purchase from a flea market or a
garage sale.

You need to be more cautious and critical of Internet and media hype.



And you need to make sure you're not talking to someone getting
his information first hand from the legislators voting on the bill.

I don't ever blindly take anyone's characterization of something. I
read the text of the bill.

http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdat...asp?did=760886

Which, as it explicitly says, amends and reenacts (among other
sections) RS 37:1861

http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=93498

However, to your implied innuendo, one would hope the author of a bill
understands it better than a web blog.


The broad definitions of 'second hand retailer' virtually expands
the limits of interpretation to include flea markets, garage sales,
and one on one cash transactions.



http://www.agcrowe.com/pg-51-15-pres...px?pressid=526

That doesn't mean I 'take his word' for it either but, I'll tell you
one thing, I can find HIS claims in the actual text of the law.

It does not apply to non profits, flea markets, garage sales, persons
solely engaged in the business of buying, selling, trading in, or
otherwise acquiring or disposing of motor vehicles and used parts of
motor vehicles, or wreckers or dismantlers of motor vehicles, dealers
in coins and currency, dealers in antiques, gun and knife shows or
other trade and hobby shows, and, well, anyone who isn't a "secondhand
dealer"

Actually, these are specifically what the law is intended to
address.

Says WHO?

As I said, one of the legislators voting for the bill. I'm in
media. I frequently interview legislators about their intents, and
their actions. I've been attempting to get the Attorney General on
the line to explain how this law affects street level commerce.
Louisiana has been attempting to get control of cash transactions
since I lived there in the 80's.

They also attempted to ban owners' self repair of their own cars
through similar legislation.

It's an interesting state. More a foreign country than a State.
Where the limits of the Constitution appear not to apply. And with
this bill, 'legal tender' of the United States becomes illegal to
use within the State of Louisiana.

A court test is being prepared on this matter. Expect significant
debate locally on this. If not resistance.






My compendium of who it did not apply to is a collection of quotes
from enacted law prefaced by "B.... the provisions of this Part shall
not apply to." For example, the text beginning with "persons solely
engaged in" comes from page 2 of 8 of Act 389 (amending RS 37:1861).
The remainder comes from the unamended portion of RS 37:1861. I.E. The
text beginning with "dealers in coins.. " is item B (1).

Actually, the "persons solely engaged in" could have been quoted from
RS 37:1861 because the only change was [licensed under the provisions
of] "32:783."

They're simply trying to disrupt the sale of stolen goods through
secondhand dealers by requiring said dealers to use traceable payments
in their purchases and keep records identifying the seller; and even
if there were no 'exemptions' it applies only to secondhand dealers
and has nothing to do with 'consumers' because they are NOT
"secondhand dealers."


Agreed on that point.

But the language of the bill is sufficiently broad to allow
interpretation beyond commercial interests alone, to include persons
conducting flea markets, garage sales, or one on one transactions.
To the degree that it's had a chilling effect on flea markets on the
local level, in areas where economic distress has made flea markets
a significant segment of the shopping culture.