On Nov 27, 7:30*pm, Only Nixon could go to China Blue
wrote:
In article , John Smith wrote:
On 11/27/2011 12:51 PM, dave wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:21:47 -0800, John Smith wrote:

If you are going to make statements, you could, at least, make accurate
statements ...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...n_and_religion

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

Haha, according to your article, Washington said we should give thanks to
the "Being". Is God a spaceman from Alpha Cetauri?

The only thing I can be certain of is that, DNA was coded by a
programmer(s) much more knowledge and skill than any software
engineer(s) we have today -- beyond that, who would be foolish enough to
limit the creator(s?)

Undoubtedly, such works as found he
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htmspeak of beings which would have
looked like gods to the peoples of the times ... either that, or ancient
peoples read Buck Rogers!

- - But, in the end, when we find the real answer,
- - I think the question will become,
- - "Who created the creator(s?)"

- The creator created itself.

Existence By It's Nature : Exists ! [I AM !]
-everything-else-is-relative-in-time-and-space-

On Nov 27, 12:27*pm, BeamMeUpScotty
wrote:
On 11/26/11 15:01 , Bret Cahill wrote:
On Thanksgiving Day, Americans gather with their family and
friends to
celebrate the blessings that Providence has bestowed on their
beloved
country.

A deep appreciation of these blessings involves understanding
that
they were earned. *It is to understand the awesome truth of
how "God
helps those who help themselves" applies to the Mayflower
Pilgrims and
their First Thanksgiving at America's birth.

This is an appreciation and understanding of which those on
the Left
are incapable - for it would mean celebrating the capitalist
freedom
that made that original Thanksgiving possible. *This no
liberal, no
Democrat, no leftie can do. *Thus they must distort history
instead.

The distortion starts in Kindergarten, with the childish
make-believe
of your kid's school play portraying the noble Squanto
teaching the
helpless Pilgrims how to feed themselves. *So let's drop the
curtain
on the distortion and watch the real thing. *Here it is.

http://www.ToThePointNews.com/content/view/4762/2/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheelerwww.ToThePointNews.com

Dr. Wheeler needs to know that God help those who can't help
themselves which is what he did on the cross. *Man had no hope,
but
God intervened and took the penalty for all sin. *Now, all man
has to
do is believe and he is forgiven of all sin.

The first Thanksgiving was all about giving thanks to God for his
many
blessings he had given the Pilgrims as they crossed the sea and
afterwards when they had established homes in the Cape Cod
area. *The
first Thanksgiving was a prayfull three day celebration.

What Tracey won't talk about is that the Mayflower Compact
prescribed
a socialist style of property distribution and socialist
government.

Yep, our once great nation started out as a socialist colony. *Both
the early Virginians and the Plymouth settlers subscribed to
socialism.

And it worked.

Separation of church and state got started with the pilgrims.

Bret Cahill

Yet We have settled for keeping the Federal government out of
religion.....

The word *separate* is NOT used in the constitution to describe the
relationship between government and religion.

Just the more powerful term "establishment."

Bret Cahill

Oh, I think "we" have ... take marriage for example, given to Adam and
Eve by God ... the government simply has no right to redefine it ...
and

Yes they do ignore the constitution that tells government to stay out of
the "business" of religion. My point was that "we" The People decided in
the constitution that "congress shall NOT establish a National religion"
* but there is NOTHING written in the constitution saying that religions
can't be present in government.

The constitution powers/laws limit government, they're NOT there to
limit religion

Seven (7) state constitutions from the Revolution had outright bans
against priests, athiests and ministers holding public office and it
was unthinkable everywhere else.

["Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"]

That says *CONGRESS* ... *it says Nothing of the States powers?

["Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people."]

Amendment 10 says that since Congress was *NOT* given the power to make
laws establishing religion..... that POWER belongs to the States. *Is
there some where that this power is prohibited to the States? * I didn't
see that amendment but I'd be open to creating it.

- What is NOT a Federal power is a State power,
- or a Right of the people.

Yep the Individual 'Right' of "The People"
To Be Religious {Believers & Persons-of-Faith}
-or- Not To Be Religious {Atheists & Un-Believers}
-and- Both Have The Right To Fully Participate
As US Citizens In Their Federal Government
=Equal=Treatment=Under=The=Federal=Law=

On Nov 27, 9:15*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 11/27/11 14:43 , John Smith wrote:









On 11/27/2011 11:54 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 11/26/11 15:01 , Bret Cahill wrote:
On Thanksgiving Day, Americans gather with their family and
friends to
celebrate the blessings that Providence has bestowed on their
beloved
country.

A deep appreciation of these blessings involves understanding
that
they were earned. It is to understand the awesome truth of how
"God
helps those who help themselves" applies to the Mayflower
Pilgrims and
their First Thanksgiving at America's birth.

This is an appreciation and understanding of which those on
the Left
are incapable - for it would mean celebrating the capitalist
freedom
that made that original Thanksgiving possible. This no
liberal, no
Democrat, no leftie can do. Thus they must distort history
instead.

The distortion starts in Kindergarten, with the childish
make-believe
of your kid's school play portraying the noble Squanto
teaching the
helpless Pilgrims how to feed themselves. So let's drop the
curtain
on the distortion and watch the real thing. Here it is.

http://www.ToThePointNews.com/content/view/4762/2/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheelerwww.ToThePointNews.com

Dr. Wheeler needs to know that God help those who can't help
themselves which is what he did on the cross. Man had no hope,
but
God intervened and took the penalty for all sin. Now, all man
has to
do is believe and he is forgiven of all sin.

The first Thanksgiving was all about giving thanks to God for his
many
blessings he had given the Pilgrims as they crossed the sea and
afterwards when they had established homes in the Cape Cod
area. The
first Thanksgiving was a prayfull three day celebration.

What Tracey won't talk about is that the Mayflower Compact
prescribed
a socialist style of property distribution and socialist
government.

Yep, our once great nation started out as a socialist colony. Both
the early Virginians and the Plymouth settlers subscribed to
socialism.

And it worked.

Separation of church and state got started with the pilgrims.

Bret Cahill

Yet We have settled for keeping the Federal government out of
religion.....

The word *separate* is NOT used in the constitution to describe the
relationship between government and religion.

Just the more powerful term "establishment."

Bret Cahill

Oh, I think "we" have ... take marriage for example, given to Adam and
Eve by God ... the government simply has no right to redefine it ....
and

Yes they do ignore the constitution that tells government to stay
out of
the "business" of religion. My point was that "we" The People
decided in
the constitution that "congress shall NOT establish a National
religion"
but there is NOTHING written in the constitution saying that religions
can't be present in government.

The constitution powers/laws limit government, they're NOT there to
limit religion

Seven (7) state constitutions from the Revolution had outright bans
against priests, athiests and ministers holding public office and it
was unthinkable everywhere else.

States are NOT the Federal Government. And the limits on the Government
defined by the Constitution are limits on the Federal government.

The states may more or less do what they like.

But the distinction above is well made...there is a difference between
not establishing a national religion and barring religion from being
present in Government.

There is also a significant difference between religion and faith.

I would absolutely state that the states MUST conduct laws, rules and
regulations well within the bounds set by the Constitution -- obviously
they are not.

* *Re-read the document...Powers specifically assigned to and limited
for the Federal Goverment apply only to the Federal Government. Those
powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the Federal Government are
reserved for the States.

Yep - To The States & To The Citizens {The People}

On Nov 25, 5:38Â*am, dave wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 07:01:00 -0800, ∅baMa∅ Tse Dung wrote:
On Thanksgiving Day, Americans gather with their family and friends to
celebrate the blessings that Providence has bestowed on their beloved
country.

A deep appreciation of these blessings involves understanding that they
were earned. Â*It is to understand the awesome truth of how "God helps
those who help themselves" applies to the Mayflower Pilgrims and their
First Thanksgiving at America's birth.

- Â*What a bunch of crap! Go burn some witches.

M4* Mania Dave -proclaims- "Go Burn Some Witches"

OK Dave Smoke'Em If You Got Them
-or...-?-have-you-been-drinking-that-
-there-witch's-brew-again-dave-?-

* Mucho Medical-Marijuana Madness [M4]

-wrt- The Pilgrims Were Chased Out of Europe
'Cause They Were Nuts'

Speaking of 'Nuts' M4* Mania Dave
you still chasing your hash-pipe . . .
-!-dave-the-hemp-happy-wanderer-!-

On 11/28/2011 8:40 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

...

At the same time there is no power to allow the Federal Government to
make a law that makes Marijuana illegal.

Lets let people have the real freedom that the constitution allows.



http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...53e19c382fcb1f
.
.



Absolutely! You got it!

Along with our "creator given rights, privileges and freedoms" are our
creator given plants ... no individual, group or government has any
right, what-so-ever, to make any illegal.

These belligerent fools in government overstep their bounds with
criminal and evil intents -- but the enslaved mind will never utter a
word of complaint ...

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On 11/28/2011 11:55 AM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:

...
Evolutionists definitely wish to start with a universe with everything,
all the elements in it--forming spheres and chunks ... truth is,
something, someone, some intelligence has been here and left something.


I don't see the proof of it.



It is only then you can begin the explainations of how complex
operations and constructions have taken place without plans, without an
intelligence -- again, that demonstrates all the intelligence of finding
a 757 in the middle of a desert and claiming, "It just happened!"

The 757 may be somewhere in the universe. Where it just happened!




You are right, and I know the most likely place, after giving it some
thought!

In santas workshop surrounded by elves!

But then, who made santa and his elves?

ROFLOL -- The minds of children, you just gotta love them, and stay in
"the shallow end!" ROFLOL

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On Nov 28, 8:17*am, BeamMeUpScotty
wrote:
On 11/27/2011 10:30 PM, Only Nixon could go to China Blue wrote:









In article , John Smith wrote:

On 11/27/2011 12:51 PM, dave wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:21:47 -0800, John Smith wrote:

If you are going to make statements, you could, at least, make accurate
statements ...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...n_and_religion

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

Haha, according to your article, Washington said we should give thanks to
the "Being". Is God a spaceman from Alpha Cetauri?

The only thing I can be certain of is that, DNA was coded by a
programmer(s) much more knowledge and skill than any software
engineer(s) we have today -- beyond that, who would be foolish enough to
limit the creator(s?)

Undoubtedly, such works as found he
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htmspeak of beings which would have
looked like gods to the peoples of the times ... either that, or ancient
peoples read Buck Rogers!

But, in the end, when we find the real answer, I think the question will
become, "Who created the creator(s?)"

- - The creator created itself.

- And why haven't they created a new being
- or animal with a new kind of reproducing
- DNA since the beginning of life on earth.
- --

OMG Came : OMG Created : OMG Left
-you-are-on-your-own-obtw-that's-life-!-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5gKS6f7h5c

On Nov 28, 11:59*am, John Smith wrote:
On 11/28/2011 5:19 AM, RHF wrote:

...
Yep - To The States& *To The Citizens {The People}
* .
What the US Constitution Really Says... -versus-
What Anti-Religious Liberal Atheists Tell You
It Means
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...53e19c382fcb1f
* .
* .

Truth be told, I think 9/10ths of the people in the states are fed up,
dissatisfied, don't want what is going on, to be going on, don't support
the unfair taxes, fees, fines, rules, regulations, perks to public
servants, budgets, expenditures, wars, exportation of American jobs,
etc., etc. -- and endless list which probably touches on everything.

However, when you are slaves like we are, when you have had the
government of the people, by the people and for the people usurped by
criminals promising to support the people and obey the people, but
actually enslaving the people for nothing more than "milking for
wealth", to feed to their masters, we live as we do now.

We are nothing more than slaves which are too stupid to realize they
have been enslaved -- however, a few more do seem to wake up each and
everyday ...

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

Check the 'Write-In' Box of the 2012
Prez-A-Duntz-ial Election Ballot and
-write-in- "99%" {The 99%}
Just Say 'No' To Obama Democrat 1%ers
-and- Just Say 'No' To The Republicans 1%ers

On 11/29/2011 1:13 AM, RHF wrote:
On Nov 28, 8:17 am, BeamMeUpScotty
wrote:
On 11/27/2011 10:30 PM, Only Nixon could go to China Blue wrote:









In , John wrote:

On 11/27/2011 12:51 PM, dave wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 12:21:47 -0800, John Smith wrote:

If you are going to make statements, you could, at least, make accurate
statements ...:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_...n_and_religion

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

Haha, according to your article, Washington said we should give thanks to
the "Being". Is God a spaceman from Alpha Cetauri?

The only thing I can be certain of is that, DNA was coded by a
programmer(s) much more knowledge and skill than any software
engineer(s) we have today -- beyond that, who would be foolish enough to
limit the creator(s?)

Undoubtedly, such works as found he
http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htmspeak of beings which would have
looked like gods to the peoples of the times ... either that, or ancient
peoples read Buck Rogers!

But, in the end, when we find the real answer, I think the question will
become, "Who created the creator(s?)"

- - The creator created itself.

- And why haven't they created a new being
- or animal with a new kind of reproducing
- DNA since the beginning of life on earth.
- --

OMG Came : OMG Created : OMG Left
-you-are-on-your-own-obtw-that's-life-!-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5gKS6f7h5c
.

Actually, the bible, one of the oldest known records of man, makes a
statement about man being created in Gods' image -- that certainly
implies, to me, we will ...

Regards,
JS
The calendar says 2011, the heart says 1776!

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:15:47 -0600, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 11/27/11 14:43 , John Smith wrote:
On 11/27/2011 11:54 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 11/26/11 15:01 , Bret Cahill wrote:
On Thanksgiving Day, Americans gather with their family and
friends to
celebrate the blessings that Providence has bestowed on their
beloved
country.

A deep appreciation of these blessings involves understanding
that
they were earned. It is to understand the awesome truth of
how "God
helps those who help themselves" applies to the Mayflower
Pilgrims and
their First Thanksgiving at America's birth.

This is an appreciation and understanding of which those on
the Left
are incapable - for it would mean celebrating the capitalist
freedom
that made that original Thanksgiving possible. This no
liberal, no
Democrat, no leftie can do. Thus they must distort history
instead.

The distortion starts in Kindergarten, with the childish
make-believe
of your kid's school play portraying the noble Squanto
teaching the
helpless Pilgrims how to feed themselves. So let's drop the
curtain
on the distortion and watch the real thing. Here it is.

http://www.ToThePointNews.com/content/view/4762/2/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheelerwww.ToThePointNews.com

Dr. Wheeler needs to know that God help those who can't help
themselves which is what he did on the cross. Man had no hope,
but
God intervened and took the penalty for all sin. Now, all man
has to
do is believe and he is forgiven of all sin.

The first Thanksgiving was all about giving thanks to God for
his many
blessings he had given the Pilgrims as they crossed the sea
and afterwards when they had established homes in the Cape Cod
area. The
first Thanksgiving was a prayfull three day celebration.

What Tracey won't talk about is that the Mayflower Compact
prescribed
a socialist style of property distribution and socialist
government.

Yep, our once great nation started out as a socialist colony.
Both the early Virginians and the Plymouth settlers subscribed
to socialism.

And it worked.

Separation of church and state got started with the pilgrims.

Bret Cahill

Yet We have settled for keeping the Federal government out of
religion.....

The word *separate* is NOT used in the constitution to describe
the relationship between government and religion.

Just the more powerful term "establishment."

Bret Cahill

Oh, I think "we" have ... take marriage for example, given to Adam
and Eve by God ... the government simply has no right to redefine
it ... and

Yes they do ignore the constitution that tells government to stay
out of
the "business" of religion. My point was that "we" The People
decided in
the constitution that "congress shall NOT establish a National
religion"
but there is NOTHING written in the constitution saying that
religions can't be present in government.

The constitution powers/laws limit government, they're NOT there to
limit religion

Seven (7) state constitutions from the Revolution had outright bans
against priests, athiests and ministers holding public office and it
was unthinkable everywhere else.


States are NOT the Federal Government. And the limits on the
Government defined by the Constitution are limits on the Federal
government.

The states may more or less do what they like.

But the distinction above is well made...there is a difference between
not establishing a national religion and barring religion from being
present in Government.

There is also a significant difference between religion and faith.





I would absolutely state that the states MUST conduct laws, rules and
regulations well within the bounds set by the Constitution -- obviously
they are not.


Re-read the document...Powers specifically assigned to and limited
for the Federal Goverment apply only to the Federal Government. Those
powers not enumerated in the Constitution to the Federal Government are
reserved for the States.