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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:54:54 PM UTC-5, wrote:
More corporate welfare courtesy of the American taxpayer. The Zumwalt was originally estimated to cost about $3.8 billion, but so much technology was crammed onboard that its cost has nearly doubled and after the first three are built production will stop. With all the new weapons systems the Navy wants aboard the Zumwalt planners installed a power plant that could provide power to 78,000 homes (around 78 megawatts). Construction of the ship required General Dynamics to build a special $40 million "Ultra Hall" to hold the pieces. Read mo http://www.businessinsider.com/zumwa...#ixzz2kaJJOdfO Here we go again, another one of Uncle Sam's "hobby" special projects. Let me see, now... $3.8 B with the underestimated production cost overruns is actually around $7.6B . Ok, only two more coming. Projected $22B in the total bill. Are they sure it is enough to cover all the hidden and unexpected problems ? |
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On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:05:09 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:54:54 PM UTC-5, wrote: More corporate welfare courtesy of the American taxpayer. The Zumwalt was originally estimated to cost about $3.8 billion, but so much technology was crammed onboard that its cost has nearly doubled and after the first three are built production will stop. With all the new weapons systems the Navy wants aboard the Zumwalt planners installed a power plant that could provide power to 78,000 homes (around 78 megawatts). Construction of the ship required General Dynamics to build a special $40 million "Ultra Hall" to hold the pieces. Read mo http://www.businessinsider.com/zumwa...#ixzz2kaJJOdfO Here we go again, another one of Uncle Sam's "hobby" special projects. Let me see, now... $3.8 B with the underestimated production cost overruns is actually around $7.6B . Ok, only two more coming. Projected $22B in the total bill. Are they sure it is enough to cover all the hidden and unexpected problems ? Food prices are UP too. |
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On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:05:09 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Here we go again, another one of Uncle Sam's "hobby" special projects. Let me see, now... $3.8 B with the underestimated production cost overruns is actually around $7.6B . Ok, only two more coming. Projected $22B in the total bill. Are they sure it is enough to cover all the hidden and unexpected problems ? Meanwhile FAUX NEWS is doing nightly undercover "investigations" exposing a burned out stoner in California that sold his food stamps for $118. |
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dave wrote: On 11/15/2013 08:09 PM, wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:05:09 AM UTC-6, wrote: Here we go again, another one of Uncle Sam's "hobby" special projects. Let me see, now... $3.8 B with the underestimated production cost overruns is actually around $7.6B . Ok, only two more coming. Projected $22B in the total bill. Are they sure it is enough to cover all the hidden and unexpected problems ? Meanwhile FAUX NEWS is doing nightly undercover "investigations" exposing a burned out stoner in California that sold his food stamps for $118. Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. Rickmers, you're a f00kin' clown 'tard. If anyone is 'abnormal', it is you and the rest of the clown 'tard lefties. In other words, you are mentally ill, just like your clown 'tard President, who obviously is a flat out liar, just like the rest of the leftie echo chamber. |
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On 11/16/2013 01:30 PM, dxAce wrote:
dave wrote: On 11/15/2013 08:09 PM, wrote: On Friday, November 15, 2013 9:05:09 AM UTC-6, wrote: Here we go again, another one of Uncle Sam's "hobby" special projects. Let me see, now... $3.8 B with the underestimated production cost overruns is actually around $7.6B . Ok, only two more coming. Projected $22B in the total bill. Are they sure it is enough to cover all the hidden and unexpected problems ? Meanwhile FAUX NEWS is doing nightly undercover "investigations" exposing a burned out stoner in California that sold his food stamps for $118. Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. Rickmers, you're a f00kin' clown 'tard. If anyone is 'abnormal', it is you and the rest of the clown 'tard lefties. In other words, you are mentally ill, just like your clown 'tard President, who obviously is a flat out liar, just like the rest of the leftie echo chamber. You have to be a flaming idiot to believe what comes out of the mouth of a politician. Anybody who couldn't tell he was overselling deserves to get fleeced by fake insurance. " ....Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say..." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0407121337.htm |
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote:
Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. ...Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say..." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0407121337.htm Interesting. Hasn't there been studies that determined blacks frontal lobes are less developed than other races? Considering: "the frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People who have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate." Just asking. |
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 7:57:15 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. ...Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say..." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0407121337.htm Interesting. Hasn't there been studies that determined blacks frontal lobes are less developed than other races? Considering: "the frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People who have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate." Just asking. Y'all play nice now. |
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:57:15 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. ...Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say..." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0407121337.htm Interesting. Hasn't there been studies that determined blacks frontal lobes are less developed than other races? Considering: "the frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People who have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate." Just asking. Eugenics has been around for quite some time. Nothing new here ... |
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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:03:45 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:57:15 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. ...Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say..." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0407121337.htm Interesting. Hasn't there been studies that determined blacks frontal lobes are less developed than other races? Considering: "the frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People who have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate." Just asking. Eugenics has been around for quite some time. Nothing new here ... That Solar Attacks movie is real Good, doggy and I watched it last night on TV. Do a www.imdb.com for it. |
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On 11/16/2013 05:57 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: Interesting. Hasn't there been studies that determined blacks frontal lobes are less developed than other races? Considering: "the frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People who have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate." Just asking. I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Phrenology was from 2 centuries ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0213173131.htm |
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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:12:58 PM UTC-5, dave wrote:
On 11/16/2013 05:57 PM, wrote: On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: Interesting. Hasn't there been studies that determined blacks frontal lobes are less developed than other races? Considering: "the frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, sexual behavior, socialization and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People who have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate." Just asking. I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Phrenology was from 2 centuries ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0213173131.htm There is one very unusual(!) conjecture about the Human Origin ... and it really stands apart from all the rest . Some people believe the reason for having the the 6 (major) different Races today is not an Earthly Creation at all, but we are actually descendants of 'tourists' from other Planets. And Michio Kaku is one of the proponents of this bizarre theory ... |
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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, dave wrote:
I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Black is a color as is white. "African Americans" decided they want to be called "blacks", their term not mine. Used to be "negro" then "colored" then "Afro-Americans" then "African Americans" and now "Black". And their is no difference between races? Okaaaaaay. The world is glad you settled that! |
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On Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:40:42 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Black is a color as is white. "African Americans" decided they want to be called "blacks", their term not mine. Used to be "negro" then "colored" then "Afro-Americans" then "African Americans" and now "Black". And their is no difference between races? Okaaaaaay. The world is glad you settled that! Black is the inclusion of all colors. White is the exclusion of all colors. In the Field of Photography, anyway. Go ask a Photography expert if you don't believe me. |
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On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:44:31 AM UTC-5, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:40:42 PM UTC-6, wrote: On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Black is a color as is white. "African Americans" decided they want to be called "blacks", their term not mine. Used to be "negro" then "colored" then "Afro-Americans" then "African Americans" and now "Black". And their is no difference between races? Okaaaaaay. The world is glad you settled that! Black is the inclusion of all colors. White is the exclusion of all colors. In the Field of Photography, anyway. Go ask a Photography expert if you don't believe me. In physics(and that encompasses many various fields) optics black is the total lack of any light. Or at least what they claim. Unless they talk about Black Holes ... |
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On Monday, November 18, 2013 9:17:55 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:44:31 AM UTC-5, DhiaDuit wrote: On Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:40:42 PM UTC-6, wrote: On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Black is a color as is white. "African Americans" decided they want to be called "blacks", their term not mine. Used to be "negro" then "colored" then "Afro-Americans" then "African Americans" and now "Black". And their is no difference between races? Okaaaaaay. The world is glad you settled that! Black is the inclusion of all colors. White is the exclusion of all colors. In the Field of Photography, anyway. Go ask a Photography expert if you don't believe me. In physics(and that encompasses many various fields) optics black is the total lack of any light. Or at least what they claim. Unless they talk about Black Holes ... I don't know, maybe I had it backwards. Here in backwater hick The Great Land Mass. |
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On Monday, November 18, 2013 6:46:11 PM UTC-6, dave wrote:
On 11/17/2013 08:40 PM, wrote: On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Black is a color as is white. "African Americans" decided they want to be called "blacks", their term not mine. Used to be "negro" then "colored" then "Afro-Americans" then "African Americans" and now "Black". And their is no difference between races? Okaaaaaay. The world is glad you settled that! No differences in the relative sizes of the cerebral lobes, you dunderhead. This isn't Fox "News", you can't chop it up to suit your narrative. Can't defend your stupid assertions so you result to lying and name calling. and throw in the red herring of "Fox News". Pathetic. But that pretty much sums up your body of work on this newsgroup doesn't it Ricketts or whatever disease you are named after. Small wonder you are a multiple winner of Dxace's "GOLDEN COME ALONG AWARD". Looks like a "threepeat" for you. |
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:48:30 PM UTC-6, dave wrote:
On 11/16/2013 01:30 PM, dxAce wrote: dave wrote: Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. Rickmers, you're a f00kin' clown 'tard. If anyone is 'abnormal', it is you and the rest of the clown 'tard lefties. In other words, you are mentally ill, just like your clown 'tard President, who obviously is a flat out liar, just like the rest of the leftie echo chamber. You have to be a flaming idiot to believe what comes out of the mouth of a politician. Anybody who couldn't tell he was overselling deserves to get fleeced by fake insurance. Oh that makes is all alright then eh? It's the victims fault. Okay. Not a member of Mensa are you Ricketts or whatever. Good grief. .. By the way, Dxace served his country honorably in the U.S. Navy so show some respect. What branch of the military did you serve in? |
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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:26:24 PM UTC-6, dave wrote:
Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. Leftist Lies Destroyed as Scientists Discover the Gene Which Causes Brain Size and Intelligence. See: http://newobserveronline.com/leftist...-intelligence/ |
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On 11/18/2013 06:03 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 18, 2013 6:46:11 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: On 11/17/2013 08:40 PM, wrote: On Sunday, November 17, 2013 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: I thought black was a color... The races are identical as far as I know. Black is a color as is white. "African Americans" decided they want to be called "blacks", their term not mine. Used to be "negro" then "colored" then "Afro-Americans" then "African Americans" and now "Black". And their is no difference between races? Okaaaaaay. The world is glad you settled that! No differences in the relative sizes of the cerebral lobes, you dunderhead. This isn't Fox "News", you can't chop it up to suit your narrative. Can't defend your stupid assertions so you result to lying and name calling. and throw in the red herring of "Fox News". Pathetic. But that pretty much sums up your body of work on this newsgroup doesn't it Ricketts or whatever disease you are named after. Small wonder you are a multiple winner of Dxace's "GOLDEN COME ALONG AWARD". Looks like a "threepeat" for you. A badge of honor...I doubt people ask to be called "Blacks". They more likely prefer to be called black people, if anything. That bubble must be getting pretty stinky inside... |
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On 11/18/2013 06:32 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, November 16, 2013 3:26:24 PM UTC-6, dave wrote: Righties have abnormal brain physiology. Their "fear" lobes are oversized. Fox "News" uses fear and emotion to focus like a laser beam on these frightened hillbillies. Fun to watch but not good for the future. Leftist Lies Destroyed as Scientists Discover the Gene Which Causes Brain Size and Intelligence. See: http://newobserveronline.com/leftist...-intelligence/ I have no doubt there's a web site to "prove" anything. Your "study" has no cites. I'll check back later. |
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On 13-11-19 12:38 PM, dave wrote:
The only soldiers (etc.) I respect are dead. I, and thousands of others, feel the same way. We pray for the day we can respect dxAce. Sincerely. mike |
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On 11/22/2013 08:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. You must be an MSNBC staffer. I miss Roy Fisk. |
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On 11/22/2013 09:32 AM, dave wrote:
On 11/22/2013 08:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. You must be an MSNBC staffer. I miss Roy Fisk. And Telemon. (Thousand Oaks is Family Dad territory). |
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On 11/22/2013 11:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. So what's yer point? Two wrong (or a dozen) out of a few hundred ain't too bad IMHO. Ignoring your two and possibly a few others, the great preponderance of quotes (the other 99% that ARE correct) seems to paint a pretty accurate picture of lare's "character". You must be an MSNBC staffer. And then YOU must be the founder and President for Life of the lare fan club. :-D Pick your friends wisely or you may end up being tarred with the same brush. |
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On 11/23/13 09:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 11/22/2013 11:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. So what's yer point? Two wrong (or a dozen) out of a few hundred ain't too bad IMHO. Ignoring your two and possibly a few others, the great preponderance of quotes (the other 99% that ARE correct) seems to paint a pretty accurate picture of lare's "character". Read carefully, I said that TWO are mine. How many others are there? I certainly can't be the only one. Which suggests that we're no longer discussing 99%. Your opinion that a few, or a dozen, is yours to hold and cherish. But if mII's accuracy is off by a few, or a dozen, then he's sloppy. And his reportage is dismissable on its face. Because he doesn't care to verify, verify, verify. If one is going to quote someone, with the intent of smearing him, one is obligated to tell the truth. Not just a percentage. You must be an MSNBC staffer., And then YOU must be the founder and President for Life of the lare fan club. :-D Not at all. If you'd go back and inspect your history, you'd find that there have been times he and I have gone at it, hammer and tongs. He can be crude. He can be opinionated. So what? He's an American. It's his birthright. He may say what he wishes. Don't like it? Refute it. Or don't listen. YOUR birthright. Pick your friends wisely or you may end up being tarred with the same brush. The 'isolate' portion of the Radical agenda, Joe? Voltaire would slap your face. You're better than that. Go back and do some reading. I've put a lot of content on this newsgroup. And along the way, I've stood up for many, here, whose politics I've disagreed with. And I've done it simply because they were under assault by someone with faulty claims. One even went so far as to print a post of mine in his local newspaper. And believe me, that gave me some very real reasons for concern. I have a long standing client in his hometown, and I didn't need to be tarred, as you put it, with the brush of his politics. That could be costly. Nevertheless, the truth about him had been unspoken amongst a very real and costly bed of insinuations and lies. So, I spoke up, and when he asked for permission to print it, I gave it to him. The truth to be spoken. No matter the cost. I have done the same for Steve Lare. I've done the same for others in this group and beyond. I would do the same for you, given sufficient reason. Just as there have been those who have stood up for me. There are those here who think as little of me as you do of Steve. So what? This is USENet. We're all Tom Selleck and Charles Manson. Usually at the same time. Those of us who've had a little life under our belts don't let threats of disapproval by someone unseen and unknown create fear. We don't let strangers put horns on our heads, or pitchforks in our hands just because someone doesn't like our demeanor. Or our politics. Or our choice of media. We don't get our satisfaction, or our self esteem, from external approval by strangers. Or by association with one or another accepted recitudes of the day. We aren't manipulated by others' thoughts, others' shining light of mass sanctimony. Such is the nature of being Free. You don't like us? You don't know what you're missing. We discuss divergent politics. We share tech tips. We share extraordinary experiences, and we enjoy the somewhat shaky but white hot spotlight that another's perspective brings to our own thoughtfully and first hand experience derived understandings of reality, and its handmaiden -- possibilities. (Did you know Steve Lare wrote, and and had published, an article about homebrew 9:1 antenna un-un that perform nearly to the same standard as those manufactured? Kevin Strom has also written tech articles to advance the hobby.) We even listen to you. Across the decades, I've been tarred with many brushes, Joe. It washes off, after the temporary sting has passed. But, if it doesn't, there's not much I can do about it. What someone thinks of me is none of my business. And if it's none of my business, it can't be relevant to the discussion. |
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"D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 11/23/13 09:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. So what's yer point? Two wrong (or a dozen) out of a few hundred ain't too bad IMHO. Ignoring your two and possibly a few others, the great preponderance of quotes (the other 99% that ARE correct) seems to paint a pretty accurate picture of lare's "character". Read carefully, I said that TWO are mine. How many others are there? I certainly can't be the only one. Which suggests that we're no longer discussing 99%. Your opinion that a few, or a dozen, is yours to hold and cherish. But if mII's accuracy is off by a few, or a dozen, then he's sloppy. And his reportage is dismissable on its face. Because he doesn't care to verify, verify, verify. If one is going to quote someone, with the intent of smearing him, one is obligated to tell the truth. Not just a percentage. You must be an MSNBC staffer., And then YOU must be the founder and President for Life of the lare fan club. :-D Not at all. If you'd go back and inspect your history, you'd find that there have been times he and I have gone at it, hammer and tongs. He can be crude. He can be opinionated. So what? He's an American. It's his birthright. He may say what he wishes. Don't like it? Refute it. Or don't listen. YOUR birthright. Pick your friends wisely or you may end up being tarred with the same brush. The 'isolate' portion of the Radical agenda, Joe? Voltaire would slap your face. You're better than that. Go back and do some reading. I've put a lot of content on this newsgroup. And along the way, I've stood up for many, here, whose politics I've disagreed with. And I've done it simply because they were under assault by someone with faulty claims. One even went so far as to print a post of mine in his local newspaper. And believe me, that gave me some very real reasons for concern. I have a long standing client in his hometown, and I didn't need to be tarred, as you put it, with the brush of his politics. That could be costly. Nevertheless, the truth about him had been unspoken amongst a very real and costly bed of insinuations and lies. So, I spoke up, and when he asked for permission to print it, I gave it to him. The truth to be spoken. No matter the cost. I have done the same for Steve Lare. I've done the same for others in this group and beyond. I would do the same for you, given sufficient reason. Just as there have been those who have stood up for me. There are those here who think as little of me as you do of Steve. So what? This is USENet. We're all Tom Selleck and Charles Manson. Usually at the same time. Those of us who've had a little life under our belts don't let threats of disapproval by someone unseen and unknown create fear. We don't let strangers put horns on our heads, or pitchforks in our hands just because someone doesn't like our demeanor. Or our politics. Or our choice of media. We don't get our satisfaction, or our self esteem, from external approval by strangers. Or by association with one or another accepted recitudes of the day. We aren't manipulated by others' thoughts, others' shining light of mass sanctimony. Such is the nature of being Free. You don't like us? You don't know what you're missing. We discuss divergent politics. We share tech tips. We share extraordinary experiences, and we enjoy the somewhat shaky but white hot spotlight that another's perspective brings to our own thoughtfully and first hand experience derived understandings of reality, and its handmaiden -- possibilities. (Did you know Steve Lare wrote, and and had published, an article about homebrew 9:1 antenna un-un that perform nearly to the same standard as those manufactured? Kevin Strom has also written tech articles to advance the hobby.) Thanks, but the article was actually written by Alan Johnson, N4LUS and appeared in the NASWA Journal, July 1992. One can read it by going he http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm We even listen to you. Across the decades, I've been tarred with many brushes, Joe. It washes off, after the temporary sting has passed. But, if it doesn't, there's not much I can do about it. What someone thinks of me is none of my business. And if it's none of my business, it can't be relevant to the discussion. |
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dxAce wrote: "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 11/23/13 09:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. So what's yer point? Two wrong (or a dozen) out of a few hundred ain't too bad IMHO. Ignoring your two and possibly a few others, the great preponderance of quotes (the other 99% that ARE correct) seems to paint a pretty accurate picture of lare's "character". Read carefully, I said that TWO are mine. How many others are there? I certainly can't be the only one. Which suggests that we're no longer discussing 99%. Your opinion that a few, or a dozen, is yours to hold and cherish. But if mII's accuracy is off by a few, or a dozen, then he's sloppy. And his reportage is dismissable on its face. Because he doesn't care to verify, verify, verify. If one is going to quote someone, with the intent of smearing him, one is obligated to tell the truth. Not just a percentage. You must be an MSNBC staffer., And then YOU must be the founder and President for Life of the lare fan club. :-D Not at all. If you'd go back and inspect your history, you'd find that there have been times he and I have gone at it, hammer and tongs. He can be crude. He can be opinionated. So what? He's an American. It's his birthright. He may say what he wishes. Don't like it? Refute it. Or don't listen. YOUR birthright. Pick your friends wisely or you may end up being tarred with the same brush. The 'isolate' portion of the Radical agenda, Joe? Voltaire would slap your face. You're better than that. Go back and do some reading. I've put a lot of content on this newsgroup. And along the way, I've stood up for many, here, whose politics I've disagreed with. And I've done it simply because they were under assault by someone with faulty claims. One even went so far as to print a post of mine in his local newspaper. And believe me, that gave me some very real reasons for concern. I have a long standing client in his hometown, and I didn't need to be tarred, as you put it, with the brush of his politics. That could be costly. Nevertheless, the truth about him had been unspoken amongst a very real and costly bed of insinuations and lies. So, I spoke up, and when he asked for permission to print it, I gave it to him. The truth to be spoken. No matter the cost. I have done the same for Steve Lare. I've done the same for others in this group and beyond. I would do the same for you, given sufficient reason. Just as there have been those who have stood up for me. There are those here who think as little of me as you do of Steve. So what? This is USENet. We're all Tom Selleck and Charles Manson. Usually at the same time. Those of us who've had a little life under our belts don't let threats of disapproval by someone unseen and unknown create fear. We don't let strangers put horns on our heads, or pitchforks in our hands just because someone doesn't like our demeanor. Or our politics. Or our choice of media. We don't get our satisfaction, or our self esteem, from external approval by strangers. Or by association with one or another accepted recitudes of the day. We aren't manipulated by others' thoughts, others' shining light of mass sanctimony. Such is the nature of being Free. You don't like us? You don't know what you're missing. We discuss divergent politics. We share tech tips. We share extraordinary experiences, and we enjoy the somewhat shaky but white hot spotlight that another's perspective brings to our own thoughtfully and first hand experience derived understandings of reality, and its handmaiden -- possibilities. (Did you know Steve Lare wrote, and and had published, an article about homebrew 9:1 antenna un-un that perform nearly to the same standard as those manufactured? Kevin Strom has also written tech articles to advance the hobby.) Thanks, but the article was actually written by Alan Johnson, N4LUS and appeared in the NASWA Journal, July 1992. One can read it by going he http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm I should point out that RF Systems (a Dutch firm), threatened to sue me, stating that I was using their design, which was proprietary. BS! I wrote back and told 'em to stuff it. Never heard from them again. I think I sold 400+ of the darn things, then gave it up. We even listen to you. Across the decades, I've been tarred with many brushes, Joe. It washes off, after the temporary sting has passed. But, if it doesn't, there's not much I can do about it. What someone thinks of me is none of my business. And if it's none of my business, it can't be relevant to the discussion. |
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On 11/23/13 13:14 , dxAce wrote:
Thanks, but the article was actually written by Alan Johnson, N4LUS and appeared in the NASWA Journal, July 1992. One can read it by going hehttp://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/xfmr.htm Oh...I apologize. I thought that it was you. Thanks for the correction. p |
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On 11/23/13 13:28 , dxAce wrote:
I should point out that RF Systems (a Dutch firm), threatened to sue me, stating that I was using their design, which was proprietary. BS! I wrote back and told 'em to stuff it. Never heard from them again. I think I sold 400+ of the darn things, then gave it up. I recall you were making them. And that RF Systems got in your face about it. I didn't know you sold 400 of them though. Damn. Nice business. |
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On 11/23/13 13:28 , dxAce wrote:
I should point out that RF Systems (a Dutch firm), threatened to sue me, stating that I was using their design, which was proprietary. BS! I wrote back and told 'em to stuff it. Never heard from them again. I think I sold 400+ of the darn things, then gave it up. I recall you were making them. And that RF Systems got in your face about it. I didn't know you sold 400 of them though. Damn. Nice business. |
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"D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 11/23/13 13:28 , dxAce wrote: I should point out that RF Systems (a Dutch firm), threatened to sue me, stating that I was using their design, which was proprietary. BS! I wrote back and told 'em to stuff it. Never heard from them again. I think I sold 400+ of the darn things, then gave it up. I recall you were making them. And that RF Systems got in your face about it. I didn't know you sold 400 of them though. Damn. Nice business. Yeah, they sent me a "nice" letter. Wish I'd saved it as it would be a nice memento. |
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On 11/22/2013 11:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. On 11/23/13 09:11 , Joe from Kokomo wrote: So what's yer point? Two wrong (or a dozen) out of a few hundred ain't too bad IMHO. Ignoring your two and possibly a few others, the great preponderance of quotes (the other 99% that ARE correct) seems to paint a pretty accurate picture of lare's "character". On 11/23/2013 1:28 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote: Read carefully, I said that TWO are mine. How many others are there? I certainly can't be the only one. Which suggests that we're no longer discussing 99%. Your opinion that a few, or a dozen, is yours to hold and cherish. But if mII's accuracy is off by a few, or a dozen, then he's sloppy. And his reportage is dismissable on its face. Because he doesn't care to verify, verify, verify. He may be "sloppy", but on the other hand, he is not a professional reporter. And frankly, there is a VERY large body of rude posts attributable to lare. You are tap dancing and nit-picking if you ignore the vast bulk of those posts with no socially redeeming value. If one is going to quote someone, with the intent of smearing him, one is obligated to tell the truth. Not just a percentage. First, I don't think he was "smearing" him. He was just quoting lare's OWN POSTS. If anyone was smearing lare, it was lare. I don't necessarily want to debate percentages with you; that is not the point. To me, the point is that most of us have been around here long enough and read enough of lare's posts to know that the rudeness, crudeness and racial pot shots are indeed a large portion ('percentages' notwithstanding) of lare's stock-in-trade. Not to quibble that there may be one or two or a few misquotes, there are many, many quotes that are indeed true and have indeed come from lare's keyboard. He can be crude. He can be opinionated. So what? So what? I can admire your support of unpopular viewpoints; however, I cannot understand your defense of crudeness, vulgarity and racism. Go back and do some reading. I've put a lot of content on this newsgroup. And along the way, I've stood up for many, here, whose politics I've disagreed with. And I've done it simply because they were under assault by someone with faulty claims. Again, support of "divergent politics, sharing tech tips and sharing extraordinary experiences", is fine. But I (and many others here) DO have a problem with support of crudeness, vulgarity and racism. Please feel free to have the last word, but let me leave you with these two thoughts: 1) Don't get hung up on percentages. There were still HUNDREDS of vulgar posts with no redeeming social value directly attributable to lare that we are complaining about, not the unun or DX posts. 2) Please try not to confuse discussion of divergent political views, tech tips and sharing 'extraordinary' experiences with crudeness, vulgarity and racism. There IS a difference. |
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On 11/23/13 21:05 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
You are tap dancing and nit-picking if you ignore the vast bulk of those posts with no socially redeeming value. Thank God, you don't get to determine what is and isn't socially redeeming. You really do need to brush up on your Voltaire. Not to quibble that there may be one or two or a few misquotes, there are many, many quotes that are indeed true and have indeed come from lare's keyboard. And do we know which ones mII quoted correctly. He's gotten mine mixed in there. How many others are there? By your own logic, fruit of the poisoned tree. I can admire your support of unpopular viewpoints; however, I cannot understand your defense of crudeness, vulgarity and racism. In a free society, he may say what he wishes, regardless of what I think of his content. I'm not his conscience, nor his censor. Neither are you. 2) Please try not to confuse discussion of divergent political views, tech tips and sharing 'extraordinary' experiences with crudeness, vulgarity and racism. There IS a difference. In a free society, one may say as one wishes. Personally, I'm offended by all this talk of sunshine and puppies. But I support the right to utter that crap as well. Try not to confuse support of free speech with the endorsement of content. There IS a difference. |
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On 11/25/2013 07:58 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
In a free society, one may say as one wishes. Personally, I'm offended by all this talk of sunshine and puppies. But I support the right to utter that crap as well. "Free society"? Give me a break. You have no voice. Billionaires are "free" to comment. You are not. OK, now defend the billionaires. Defend Citizens United. Defend money as the determinant of one's ability to shape opinion. Explain how this was the intention of the Founders. |
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On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:49:42 AM UTC-6, dave wrote:
On 11/25/2013 07:58 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: In a free society, one may say as one wishes. Personally, I'm offended by all this talk of sunshine and puppies. But I support the right to utter that crap as well. "Free society"? Give me a break. You have no voice. Billionaires are "free" to comment. You are not. OK, now defend the billionaires. Defend Citizens United. Defend money as the determinant of one's ability to shape opinion. Explain how this was the intention of the Founders. Duh. |
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On 13-11-22 09:15 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
Given that two of these are mine, I wonder how many others have been miscredited in your zeal to tickle dxAce. You must be an MSNBC staffer. It seems to me that we've been here before. I asked you to tell me which two. I will happily remove them. Mind you, the staff here takes great pride in their collection of these little gems, so the possibility of an erroneous attribution is almost infinitesimally small. mike |
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