I would also be interested in the answer.
My impression is that particular balums are used purely on a custom and
practice basis and 'suck it and see'. I have not seen any guide to measuring
the rf resistance/impedance of a throw out or long wire antenna.
If someone doesn't answer your question the chances are they don't know
either.

Lionel Carter

"Michalkun" wrote in message
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How does one can determine the impendance of a wire to get the right balun
for it, so it can be hooked up to the coaxial cable?

LC,

I guess what you are inferring is that there are two approaches to
buying or building a Bal-Un (Un-Un) for an Antenna.

#1. MOST OF THE TIME: We buy or built a certain kind of antenna that
has a known XXX 'impedance' an installed it the best we can.
- - - Therefore We "ASSUME" that XXX is the antennas 'impedance' and
buy or build a Bal-Un (Un-Un) to match the antenna to the feed-line
and antenna input of the receiver.

2. SOME OF THE TIME: We buy or built a specific kind of antenna an
installed it correctly.
- - - Then We 'test' the antenna with an impedance bridge or antenna
tester and 'know' for a "Fact" the YYY 'impedance' of the antenna.
+ + + Next, knowing that YYY is the antennas 'impedance': We buy or
build a Bal-Un (Un-Un) to match the antenna to the feed-line and
antenna input of the receiver.
= = = Finally, We Re-Test the Antenna with the Bal-Un Installed to
confirm our results.


~ RHF
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I would also be interested in the answer.
My impression is that particular balums are used purely on a custom and
practice basis and 'suck it and see'. I have not seen any guide to measuring
the rf resistance/impedance of a throw out or long wire antenna.
If someone doesn't answer your question the chances are they don't know
either.

Lionel Carter

"Michalkun" wrote in message
.251...
How does one can determine the impendance of a wire to get the right balun
for it, so it can be hooked up to the coaxial cable?

"Lionel Carter" wrote in message ...
I would also be interested in the answer.
My impression is that particular balums are used purely on a custom and
practice basis and 'suck it and see'. I have not seen any guide to measuring
the rf resistance/impedance of a throw out or long wire antenna.
If someone doesn't answer your question the chances are they don't know
either.

Lionel Carter

It can be modeled. Or you can use a antenna analyser, etc. Random wire
antennas feedpoint will vary radically with freq changes. So for the
most part, it is "suck it up and see". Not much you can do about it
except try a different ratio transformer. Most of the antennas I use
are not random element designs, and have a fixed pre-known feedpoint
for the bands they are designed for. IE: most coax fed dipoles will
run from appx 50-75 ohms depending on height above ground, etc. So
naturally a 1:1 is the best choice. And you will still have enough
signal on most any other band for a usable s/n ratio. The only
exception might be with short coax fed dipoles used on very low
freq's, and in that case all you need to do is just unhook the ground
shield connection from the radio and let the center pin make the only
connection. EZNEC will spit out a SWR graph of any freq range you want
to punch in. You see a green "ball" on the top of the graph line. Say
if I scan from 1 to 30 mhz. I can place the green ball on 15 mhz and
see the feedpoint data. You can do this with the EZNEC demo.

I ran a swr scan on a 65 ft random wire, end fed. 1-30 mhz, every 500
cycles.
The "ball" is on 15 mhz. The feedpoint Z is anywhere from very low on
1 mhz to high on many frequencies. In the program, you can click on
any "500 cycle" portion and see the feedpoint specs. This can be used
with any antenna you want to punch in, and you don't even have to
leave your puter. You can d/l the eznec demo on the web. MK
http://web.wt.net/~nm5k/swr.jpg