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BPL *IS* Going to Happen- Get Ready
"David Stinson" wrote in message ... Money talks, public service walks- BPL is a certainty. Money's the half of it. Ego and politics are the other half. Pols like Michael Powell and Billy Tauzin want credit for sweeping away all those presumably outmoded concerns about RFI so people in rural areas can get the on ramp to the modern hi-speed info superhighway right there in their fusebox. The "null it out- anyone can do it" argument is crap- works well in theory, poorly in the field. Even with excellent nulling, QRP and other weak signal work is finished. Shortwave DXing is finished. You have three choices- Give up radio. Move far enough into the country to avoid the polluted grid, "Gorilla warfare-" Power lines that leak out, can also leak IN. 50 watts of broadband noise generator plugged into the nearest socket would do. Note that I would never advocate anything illegal..... D.S. As a former US President said, "We could do it, but it would be wrong." I have to wonder how much BPL access would be knocked out by a sparky old ozone generating vacuum cleaner. One room? A few houses? And let's not forget our old nemisis, the bargain basement switchmode computer power supply. I have one which pumps enough hashy variable frequency hets to overwhelm even strong local broadcast stations on a radio in the same room. Some thief ran, well -- hobbled, off with my arc welder a few years ago. I never replaced it. Good thing, I now realize. I kinda doubt electrical interference would cut off somebody's BPL access entirely. I picture the error rate going up and up, and the connection speeds going down and down. Maybe even slower than dial-up. Even worse, the guy who pays for BPL is likely to blame the power company, rather than the real culprit -- the clown who just doesn't give a damn about RFI. Frank Dresser |
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:43:12 GMT, Frank Dresser wrote:
Even worse, the guy who pays for BPL is likely to blame the power company, rather than the real culprit -- the clown who just doesn't give a damn about RFI. Aren't they the same in that situation ?? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
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"Phil Kane" wrote in message et... On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:43:12 GMT, Frank Dresser wrote: Even worse, the guy who pays for BPL is likely to blame the power company, rather than the real culprit -- the clown who just doesn't give a damn about RFI. Aren't they the same in that situation ?? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Partly. The power company doesn't care. The FCC seems lax in Part 15 enforcement, among other things. Certain congressmen seem to think the only impediments to the Jetson way of life are outmoded regulations. The neighbors only think of interference when Tom Brokaw turns green and they blame it on the SWL's random wire antenna. The only people who give a damn about RFI are the people who use radio. I'm not an expert on BPL, but I don't have any faith in the FCC's ability to look past a glossy demo and into the real world, either. If I had been invited to the demos, I'd have brought my old vacuum cleaner and my homebuilt PC with the noisy power supply(which, I assume, is good under Part 15 regs. Ha!). I think somebody would give a damn if everyday electrical noisemakers slowed BPL. Frank Dresser |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote
Have any of these Genii given any though of what would happen to bpl during solar event? Probably nothing at all. BPL operates on conducted RF, not radiated RF. A solar event might put a random pulse or two on the grid, but not a sustained coherent signal which might impair BPL. By the way, BPL would also care little about random white noise. 73, Hans -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Have any of these Genii given any though of what would happen to bpl during solar event? Maybe the FCC can serve an enforcement letter to the sun! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Or how about some high intensity E-skip. 70 over 9 broadband crap inputing someone elses system. Gotta be fun. Of course they didn't think it out. If they did it would never have made it to this stage. BINGO! The reason that lights and motors work well enough is that they aren't affected by the junk that gets impressed on the power lines. And finally, just finally, I wonder exactly HOW the power companies are going to respond to the problems of their OWN RFI generation? Lessee, lets look at the enforcement letters from the FCC. Many of them are to power providers because of equipment that is interfering with some ham somewhere. It has to get to the enforcement stage, for crying out loud. So are the Power companies going to replace all those transfprmers and other power line junk that is spewing out RFI for the BPL'ers? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote
And what would happen if a thousand breakers tripped and the lights go out again? Is the conducted RF going to pass through the 'ether' ? Uh, don't look now but if "a thousand breakers tripped" the steenking computers won't power up anyhow and it's a moot point. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote
Or how about some high intensity E-skip. BPL works on conducted signals, not radiated signals. The power grid is an incredibly poor receiving antenna, so any microvolt-level or even millivolt-level signal from "out there" won't even show up on the copper. 73, de Hans, K0HB -- "Reality doesn't care what you believe." -- K0HB |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Have any of these Genii given any though of what would happen to bpl during solar event? Maybe the FCC can serve an enforcement letter to the sun! 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - Or how about some high intensity E-skip. 70 over 9 broadband crap inputing someone elses system. Gotta be fun. Of course they didn't think it out. If they did it would never have made it to this stage. BINGO! The reason that lights and motors work well enough is that they aren't affected by the junk that gets impressed on the power lines. And finally, just finally, I wonder exactly HOW the power companies are going to respond to the problems of their OWN RFI generation? Lessee, lets look at the enforcement letters from the FCC. Many of them are to power providers because of equipment that is interfering with some ham somewhere. It has to get to the enforcement stage, for crying out loud. So are the Power companies going to replace all those transfprmers and other power line junk that is spewing out RFI for the BPL'ers? - Mike KB3EIA - The power companies are not going to do a damn thing that will cost them money. I have been fighting with ALA Power for 5 years and still don't have it ALL gone. All these complaint letters began with me, BTW. I got the ARRL and Riley involved and they jumped on the bandwagon. But it STILL isn't fixed. So when they put BPL into this mess there own RFI will trash their new found toy. Can't wait. Gess its gonna be like a snake eating its own tail. And with their track record it will be fun to watch...As they destroy HF in the process. Dan/W4NTI |
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Hans,
Do you think insulated 10 gauge ladder line from a 3 KW tuner plugged into the electric stove outlet might make a good antenna? For experimentation only, of course 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "K0HB" wrote in message m... BPL works on conducted signals, not radiated signals. The power grid is an incredibly poor receiving antenna, so any microvolt-level or even millivolt-level signal from "out there" won't even show up on the copper. 73, de Hans, K0HB -- "Reality doesn't care what you believe." -- K0HB --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/20/03 |
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I'm not an expert on BPL, but I don't have any faith in the FCC's ability to look past a glossy demo and into the real world, either. If I had been invited to the demos, I'd have brought my old vacuum cleaner and my homebuilt PC with the noisy power supply(which, I assume, is good under Part 15 regs. Ha!). I think somebody would give a damn if everyday electrical noisemakers slowed BPL. Don't know about BPL, but back when they were testing various proposed broadcast HDTV transmission standards, one of the devices used in noise tests was literally an old vacuum cleaner motor. |
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