"Jimmie James" wrote in message
...

AGAIN I'm gonna respond to my own post cuz Brenda Ann and Brian D.
shouldn't be
given the right to vote!!!! These two swallow the lies the media feeds
them and
can't think for themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!


My, what a rude little cretin you are.

For starters, I do not buy into everything the media says, in fact, I tend
not to buy much of it at all, this stemming from the experience of the
Reagan shooting, where our press (predominantly ABC) had him everything from
uninjured to dead.. so much for accuracy of the press.

Next, though it's true I do not like Bush, for many reasons, I do not blame
the economy on him. I mean, get real, the president really doesn't have
squat to do with the economy. He does not set stock prices, he does not set
profit levels or influence consumer spending. The economy is out of his
control (this goes for both Republican AND Democratic presidents).

A goodly number of people can't pass the postal exam??? First of all, I
don't
believe it because I know a young woman at our post office who passed it
at 95%
and she didn't even know Hawaii is our 50th state!!!! (Remember those
wonderful
state stamps that were recently marketed by the USPS?? She told us that
she
couldn't understand why Hawaii was included in those stamps!!!!) Now is
that my
problem or George W.'s problem that some schmuck is too moronic to pass
the
HIGHLY simple postal civil service exam???? NO!!!!

If anybody could pass a Civil Service exam, then they most likely would not
have them. And with our education system in the condition it's in, there
are a LOT of folks who can't read the exam questions, let alone answer them.
I'm afraid the problems with the education system can be blamed upon two
generations of politicians (mostly Democrats, but enough Republicans to let
it all slide) who let social workers and pshrinks tell us how to raise our
kids. I know it's not politically correct, but dammit, when we could still
spank our kids, they didn't take guns to school to blow away their
classmates, or knife someone to take their sneakers.

If you want a good job, get an education!! Times have changed. In case
you
haven't noticed, we've become a high-tech society. To work high-tech and
get
the high-tech, high wages, you need high-er EDUCATION!! My teenager is
going
high tech: engineering. He works at a "burger joint" where he USED TO work
minimum wage, but since he's proven to be a well rounded, dependable and
hard
working indiividual....he's now making almost TWICE the minimum wage.
This has
allowed him to pay for his college education!!!

Payed for college on $12 an hour?? Who was he living with? Who was paying
his bills? Our household pulls in $70,000 net per year, and, although some
things are much more expensive here (electricity alone runs upwards of $700
a month during the summer), most is comparable to stateside costs, and we do
buy a lot of toys, and help people out as much as we can, but we don't get
to save a lot. Certainly could not afford college, even a community college
is out of our budget. And are you aware that over 20% (I don't recall the
exact figure) of working people in the US are trying to live off of less
than $25,000 a year? Perhaps in some economically depressed states like
Mississippi or Arkansas or Oklahoma, where rents are much lower, but in most
cities rent alone would eat up about half (or more) of that..


Yes...I've been unemployed before, SEVERAL times. And actually HOMELESS,
living
out of my car!!! (That was right after the GLORY Jimmy Carter years....a
D E M
O C R A T !!) You pull yourself up by your bootstraps and move on! You
don't
sit at home and whine, cry and bitch and blame your President when it's
something YOU can take care of YOURSELF!! NOBODY is suppose to find a job
FOR
YOU!! I live in a state that is SUPPOSE to have one of these so-called
high
unemployment rates. But again, I see HELP WANTED signs from the USPS
(LOCAL job
postings!!!) to factories to McDonalds!

Again, anyone blaming any president, or even CONgress, for that matter, for
the state of the economy, is out of line, no matter the party. There are
just too many market forces applied for such a small group of people, and
certainly any one person, to make much of a dent. The biggest dynamic
involves US and BUSINESS. I would have to guess that if any entity or group
of entities has more overall influence upon the economy, it would be the
trade unions. It is largely the trade unions that have caused the
outsourcing of jobs in the US, and the pricing out of the market of US goods
due to the artificially high wages of many jobs (I can't believe that
someone gets paid $35 an hour to put windshield wipers on on an assembly
line).


But I suppose some of you are too good and want to start right at the top
as
CEO's LOLOLOLOL!!!! Brenda Ann, CEO. Brian Denley, CEO. Has a funny
ring to
it, doesn't it. LOLOLOLOL!!!

FYI, I wouldn't WANT to be a CEO.. I wouldn't want to have a reputation of
being a crook, as is the case of so many such, at least in the public's
perception lately.... I would rather keep my reputation for being an honest
person who still cares about the customer..

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:26:50 -0500, mAximo wrote
(in message ):

My teenager is going high tech: engineering. He works at a "burger joint"
where he USED TO work minimum wage, but since he's proven to be a well
rounded, dependable and hard working indiividual....he's now making
almost TWICE the minimum wage.

This violates the principle of equal pay for equal work, if he isn't 2x as
productive.


No, this is in the United States, not a domain of Max the Troubled.





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Dr. Kervorkian as your family doctor.
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Or The President..

The President IS outsourcing/offshoring his campaign fund soliciting.

Bill, K5BY

Jimmie James wrote in message ...
Again, I'm going to respond via my own message...cuz that little twit in Vermont
is a LIAR!!!!

I just visited your states website. According to your (Vermont's) July
unemployment records, which are the latest available, (Ausgust isn't out yet.)
Vermont is sitting at 4.1%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JJ,

The Good Old 4.1% "UE Rate" is for College Educated White Males ONLY !

So this Translates to:

= 8.2% for White Females and Asian-Americans.

= 12.3% for those who only made it through High School.

= 16.4% for those who did NOT made it through High School.

= 20.5% for Hispanic-Americans.

= 24.9% for African-Americans.


jftfoi ~ RHF
..
..

Now think for a moment if the figure the twit in VT fabricated was actually 15%.
The leading candidate on the Democratic ticket is from Vermont. And we're
suppose to trust this bast-tard to run the nations economy with his states 15%
unemployment????? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

Jimmie

The Labor Department said the number of jobs lost In August rose by a
surprising 93,000, compared with an expected gain of 18,000 jobs. In July,
44,000 jobs were reportedly lost.

The news comes on the back of a report Thursday showing that jobless claims
bumped above the key 400,000 mark, seen as a contraction in the labor market,
in the week ended Aug. 30.

Or The President..

The President IS outsourcing/offshoring his campaign fund soliciting.

Bill, K5BY

"Jimmie James" wrote in message
...

| If you want a good job, get an education!! Times have changed.

And changed again. High - tech jobs are being exported
to India, and programmers there are working for $10K
per year, as opposed to the programmers and analysts
here, who work for $50K and up. While the CIOs
and CEOs thump there chest like baboons and chatter
about "RIO" and "Our dedication to the shareholders,"
highly - educated Americans eat rice and beans, and
wonder how they'll pay their mortgage. So much for
education.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN


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Precisely....to India.

Just like the big stock companies: West, ADC Communications
(here in the Twin Cities), American Express....etc....etc.....

"WShoots1" wrote in message
...
| Or The President..
|
| The President IS outsourcing/offshoring his campaign fund soliciting.
|
| Bill, K5BY


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"Increasing export of white-collar jobs is cause for concern "

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08102...ness/82527.asp

"Already call-center jobs have been affected, including jobs in Utah. Convergys
Corp. a week ago confirmed plans to move at least 100 technical support jobs at
its Taylorsville call center to an overseas center.

Almost any professional job that can be done long-distance is suddenly up
for grabs.
Jobs done by financial analysts, architectural drafters, telemarketers,
accountants, claims adjusters, home loan processors and others at higher levels
of the labor food chain are being farmed out to workers in other countries"


In article et, "Stephen M.H.
Lawrence" writes:



"Jimmie James" wrote in message
...

| If you want a good job, get an education!! Times have changed.

And changed again. High - tech jobs are being exported
to India, and programmers there are working for $10K
per year, as opposed to the programmers and analysts
here, who work for $50K and up. While the CIOs
and CEOs thump there chest like baboons and chatter
about "RIO" and "Our dedication to the shareholders,"
highly - educated Americans eat rice and beans, and
wonder how they'll pay their mortgage. So much for
education.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN


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Subject: It's SO obvious!
From: "Stephen M.H. Lawrence"
Date: 9/6/2003 5:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Precisely....to India.

Just like the big stock companies: West, ADC Communications
(here in the Twin Cities), American Express....etc....etc.....

"WShoots1" wrote in message
...
| Or The President..
|
| The President IS outsourcing/offshoring his campaign fund soliciting.
|
| Bill, K5BY


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White-collar jobs also going overseas

By RALPH NADER

In the past four decades, many millions of manufacturing jobs in this country

have been shipped overseas. This transfer was supposed to be part of the
“win-win”

process of free trade. But 27 straight years of growing trade deficits with
the

rest of the world makes one wonder: Who’s winning?

Conventional economists and their Republican and Democratic converts try to
cushion

this job-export machine by saying that the large majority of jobs in this
country are

white collar, not blue collar. The implication is that white-collar jobs are
not as easy to export.


Well, welcome to the computerization age. U.S. companies are rushing headlong
to export computer

programming work to countries such as India and Malaysia and now China,

where English-language proficiency and cheap labor cut costs by more than
two-thirds.

Payroll processing, airline passenger billings, insurance computer
applications and new software

designs are only some of the labor that is done in foreign countries for U.S.
companies.

Computerworld magazine calls “Offshore’s Rise” relentless. By next year,
it reports 40 percent

of U.S. companies will have completed some kind of pilot program or will be
using nearshore or

offshore services.

It is difficult to find any estimates regarding the total number of American
jobs

displaced in this sector. But Gartner Inc. uses the jargon “human resources
outsourcing

services” and puts a $46 billion price tag on them for this year.

Moreover, U.S. firms are opening subsidiaries in countries such as India to
compete with


Indian firms for outsourcing business.

Accenture CEO Joe W. Forehand is reported by Computerworld as comparing the
trend to the

previous exodus from the United States of many manufacturing operations.

“The way we look at it, the industrialization of IT (information technology)

is a reality, and we have to embrace that,” he said.

IT has been in a bit of a slump, not to mention the rest of the computer
industry.

So, when outsourcing is combined with massive layoffs in this country and the
continuing

inflow of lower-wage computer technology workers under H-1B and L-1 work visas,
it is not surprising to see the gloom besetting American technology workers.

Unlike H-1B visas, which are supposed to receive prevailing wages (but often do
not),

the L-1 does not oblige employers to pay workers prevailing wages, and there
is no cap

on the number of these visas that can be awarded foreign workers.

With more than 500,000 workers in this country on “temporary” H-1B visas,

supposedly meeting a domestic dearth of skills, the L-1 visa workers are
supposed to

be just transfers between subsidiaries and parent companies. In fact, reports
The New York Times,

“they are now routinely used by companies based in India and elsewhere to
bring their

workers into the United States and then contract them out to American companies
– in many

instances to be replacement for American workers.”

The number of workers replaced is unknown, according to the Times.

All this upsets the Organization of the Rights of American Workers,

a nonprofit group based in Meriden, Conn. Its president, John Bauman, believes
that

a recovery in this industry will not bring back the American jobs due to both
outsourcing

and these special visa programs so strongly desired by Silicon Valley
companies.

When these concerns are raised to international economists, one of their
replies is,

“Don’t you know what an extraordinary job machine is the U.S. economy?”


Well, it has lost 2.6 million jobs since February 2001.


Someday the Pollyanna belief that the U.S. economy always replaces the jobs it
loses overseas

with new jobs here, as we keep racing ahead of other countries with modern
technology and

new or redundant services, may run into a contrary riptide that no set of
spurious statistics can obscure.

(Not endorsing the author: Harvey)


http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/ne.../2003/08/18/10
61224067.00100.8024.1448.html

Subject: It's SO obvious!
From: (RHF)
Date: 9/5/2003 2:58 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Jimmie James wrote in message
...
Again, I'm going to respond via my own message...cuz that little twit in
Vermont
is a LIAR!!!!

I just visited your states website. According to your (Vermont's) July
unemployment records, which are the latest available, (Ausgust isn't out
yet.)
Vermont is sitting at 4.1%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JJ,

The Good Old 4.1% "UE Rate" is for College Educated White Males ONLY !

So this Translates to:

= 8.2% for White Females and Asian-Americans.

= 12.3% for those who only made it through High School.

= 16.4% for those who did NOT made it through High School.

= 20.5% for Hispanic-Americans.

= 24.9% for African-Americans.


jftfoi ~ RHF
.
.

Now think for a moment if the figure the twit in VT fabricated was actually
15%.
The leading candidate on the Democratic ticket is from Vermont. And we're
suppose to trust this bast-tard to run the nations economy with his states
15%
unemployment????? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

Jimmie

In article , soames123
@aol.com says...
"Increasing export of white-collar jobs is cause for concern "

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08102...ness/82527.asp

"Already call-center jobs have been affected, including jobs in Utah. Convergys
Corp. a week ago confirmed plans to move at least 100 technical support jobs at
its Taylorsville call center to an overseas center.

Almost any professional job that can be done long-distance is suddenly up
for grabs.
Jobs done by financial analysts, architectural drafters, telemarketers,
accountants, claims adjusters, home loan processors and others at higher levels
of the labor food chain are being farmed out to workers in other countries"


In article et, "Stephen M.H.
Lawrence" writes:



"Jimmie James" wrote in message
...

| If you want a good job, get an education!! Times have changed.

And changed again. High - tech jobs are being exported
to India, and programmers there are working for $10K
per year, as opposed to the programmers and analysts
here, who work for $50K and up. While the CIOs
and CEOs thump there chest like baboons and chatter
about "RIO" and "Our dedication to the shareholders,"
highly - educated Americans eat rice and beans, and
wonder how they'll pay their mortgage. So much for
education.

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MN


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Subject: It's SO obvious!
From: "Stephen M.H. Lawrence"
Date: 9/6/2003 5:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net

Precisely....to India.

Just like the big stock companies: West, ADC Communications
(here in the Twin Cities), American Express....etc....etc.....

"WShoots1" wrote in message
...
| Or The President..
|
| The President IS outsourcing/offshoring his campaign fund soliciting.
|
| Bill, K5BY


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When the brain trusts running these companies figure out that sending
all these jobs overseas:

1. Makes their own sales go down, since who will be able to afford their
stuff if people here can't buy it?
2. ****es people off when they call Dell(for example) and get someone in
India, who they can't understand. I know two people who are "done with
Dell" since they started getting people in India answering CS and Tech
Support calls.
3. Make people even more resentful of the insanely high pay some of
these bigshots get after cutting lots of jobs.


Maybe, they will have the sense to stop it. But I doubt it, most people
in upper management have a totally warped view of how things really
work, and how they should work..

BDK