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![]() "JC" wrote in message ... It's payback time! A vindictive mentality just drags everybody down in the mud shouting and slugging it out. When a "winner" ultimately emerges, it won't settle which position is right or superior, just who has the bigger fists. That's fine for troops of baboons, but not so good for civilized humans. Yes, Rush's "get tough on drug users" stand is infinitely hypocritical, and speaks for itself. You want to harm Rush? Dig out those quotes and trot them out. However, aside from whatever damage this does to Rush's credibility, I thought the classic liberal position was that this drug addiction is a medical and rehabilitation problem, rather than a law enforcement one. Do I misunderstand? Is there any value in jailing someone for becoming addicted to pain medication, after he sought rehab? Any value at all??? I thought not. No deterrent value. No rehabilitation value. Huge negative costs. This whole business of digging into his medical records and violating his privacy rights disgusts me, and quite frankly, those who are driving this ought to be ashamed of themselves if they're acting this way out of political motives. I sickens me to see this kind of mentality amongst supposedly evolved people. I'm not just saying this. You guys - get a grip and play the game by the rules. My 0.02. -- Ross |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:57:16 GMT, "Ross Archer" wrote:
Do I misunderstand? Is there any value in jailing someone for becoming addicted to pain medication, after he sought rehab? Any value at all??? I thought not. No deterrent value. No rehabilitation value. Huge negative costs. Is there any value in throwing a confessed sex offender in jail? After they sought help a few times? Any value at all? Can't deter a sex offender right? Can they be rehabilitated? Costs? It's not a question of liberal/conservative values. Who could give a flying F about how those ideals apply to this argument. If a law was broken - pay the consequences. If not - no problem. If anything, he's not a victim of his politics - just a victim of being famous. Regards. |
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RJ,
BASIC FACT: Rush Limbaugh 'abused' Prescription Drugs; has admitted being a Drug Addict; has sought Drug Treatment twice before; and recently completed a Drug Treatment Program. POLITICAL FACT: The Basic Facts are NOT Important [.] What Is Important is Rush Limbaugh is a Conservative Talk Show Host; and thus can be 'categorized' as "Social Deviant"; who requires Internment for his Out Spoken Right Wing Political Views. SIMPLE FACT: After she left Rush Limbaugh's employment; his former housekeeper (Wilma Cline) was caught along with her husband (David Cline) for Drug Dealing. LEGAL FACT: After the Clines were caught, they then 'traded' audio tapes and eMails that they claimed were from Rush Limbaugh to the police and was "Granted Immunity from Prosecution". = = = GET OUT OF JAIL FREE ! RECORDED FACT: The Clines are/were in-fact Drug Dealers and evidently had kept records and evidence on their drug dealing business to 'trade' with the police, if and when they got caught. NAKED FACT: Punishing Drug Dealers if NOT the Focus of the Current Criminal Investigation. Because the Drug Dealers are being Granted Immunity from Procsecution" for Information on the Right Wing Polictial Criminal who is called "Rush Limbaugh". PUBLIC FACT: Rush Limbaugh is widely known as a Major Leader of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. This has been publicly confirmed by President Bill Clinton. = = = We Can Trust Him At His Word ![]() APPARENT FACT: Rush Limbaugh is a Criminal (or ought to be a criminal) for simply being Rush Limbaugh. UNDISPUTBLE FACT: Rush Limbaugh is Rush Limbaugh [.] ( Rush Limbaugh has Publicly Admitted to being Rush Limbaugh. ) Just "The FACTS" Man ~ RHF .. .. = = = "RJ" = = = wrote in message . .. Here's a topic for discussion; it's claimed that; Rush's houskeeper blackmailed him, threatening to tell of his addiction unless he paid her $$$$$. If you threaten to tell the truth about someone unless they pay you, is it blackmail ? Would it be a criminal offense ? How is it different from extortion ? If they can prove that she took money to keep quiet, has she committed a criminal offense ? further If she took the cash, then told anyway, would she be liable in civil court for "breach of contract" ? ???? ( it's a slow SW day..... ) rj .. |
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FD,
Lets Do The Math (LDTM): Most Common "Oxycodone" Dosage is 40 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day. = = = Three to Six Pills a Day. (Maximum of Six Pills.) Maximum "Oxycodone" Dosage is 160 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day. = = = Dosage Factor: 160 mg divided by 40 mg Equals Four Times (4X) Using your Heron Over Dose Numbers: = Base Dose 200 mg = OverDose 1800 mg = "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X) Resulting Conclusion: 216 @ 40 mg Pills 1. Maximum of Six Pills 2. Dosage Factor Equals Four Times (4X) 3. "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X) TBL: 6 X 4 X 9 = 216 Pills in a Day should produce an Over Dose. WOW... "RUSH" YOU DA MAN ! (He Is Still Alive - Wow !) waef... ~ RHF = When All Else Fails... = = Take Off Your Shoes = = = And Count Your Toes ! .. .. = = = "Frank Dresser" = = = wrote in message ... "RHF" wrote in message om... [snip] Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend - several hundred - think about it." I Have Thought About It "KT". Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.] Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive ! It's probably not worth checking out, but I did anyway. I couldn't find the lethal dose of oxycodone, but I did find something on heroin. Just for the sake of arguement, let's say the lethal doses are similar: Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from 200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and over." This is from: http://www.drug-overdose.com/heroin.htm So how much oxycodone is in each oxycontin pill? "It is supplied in 10 mg, 20 mg, 40 mg, 80 mg, and 160 mg tablet strengths for oral administration." The website says the 40 mg pills are the most commonly abused. Oxycontin, unlike heroin, is a time release drug. "Taking broken, chewed, or crushed tablets could lead to the rapid release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose of oxycodone." These quotes are from: http://www.stopoxycontinaddiction.co...ontin-pill.htm I'll assume Rush wasn't chewing or grinding and snorting the pills. The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in a weekend aren't inconceiveable. It would take a fistful of 10 mg oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. I suppose Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs. Elvis did. Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do. "Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998" Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html The TalkLeft site has the headline wrong. Rush wasn't supporting legalizing drugs: "Raise the price sky high and fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs." Did Rush really want to "fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs" with drug tax money? Or was he illustrating the absurdity of the tabacco restrictions? "Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in Prison" Source= http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm There's actually a good point at the drugpolicy site. Prisions aren't drug treatment centers. Rush wasn't personally hijacking trucks or breaking into pharmacies. But he was throwing cash into the criminal culture. Maybe, after this case is worked out, he'll talk about such things as criminalizing drug abuse. I'd like to hear it. But that's not the sort of radio which has given him plenty of money to throw around. "America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, - - - Libertarians say" Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652 Very funny! To quote the Libertarian writer: "The entire nation owes radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, Libertarians say, because his ordeal has exposed every drug warrior in America as a rank hypocrite." How true! To be fair to Rush, the drug war rarely came up on his show. So, on this issue, Rush is a low rank hypocrite. "Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories" Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6 "Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen" Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm That's an interesting cite. Among the things it says is: "With appalling chutzpa, the conservative choir has excused Limbaugh's hypocrisy while simultaneously accusing "liberals and the media" of either themselves doing drugs or defending those who do. Indeed, according to the warped logic of one of his most vocal supporters, Limbaugh's hypocrisy is acceptable in large part because of the media's hypocrisy." But to claim Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite one would have to believe the Rush Limbaugh radio character is the same as the real Rush Limbaugh. ssi ~ RHF = = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.) . . . Frank Dresser |
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![]() RHF wrote: FD, Lets Do The Math (LDTM): Most Common "Oxycodone" Dosage is 40 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day. = = = Three to Six Pills a Day. (Maximum of Six Pills.) Maximum "Oxycodone" Dosage is 160 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day. = = = Dosage Factor: 160 mg divided by 40 mg Equals Four Times (4X) Using your Heron Over Dose Numbers: = Base Dose 200 mg = OverDose 1800 mg = "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X) Resulting Conclusion: 216 @ 40 mg Pills 1. Maximum of Six Pills 2. Dosage Factor Equals Four Times (4X) 3. "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X) TBL: 6 X 4 X 9 = 216 Pills in a Day should produce an Over Dose. WOW... "RUSH" YOU DA MAN ! (He Is Still Alive - Wow !) Are you factoring in increased tolerence over time?? waef... ~ RHF = When All Else Fails... = = Take Off Your Shoes = = = And Count Your Toes ! . . = = = "Frank Dresser" = = = wrote in message ... "RHF" wrote in message om... [snip] Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend - several hundred - think about it." I Have Thought About It "KT". Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.] Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive ! It's probably not worth checking out, but I did anyway. I couldn't find the lethal dose of oxycodone, but I did find something on heroin. Just for the sake of arguement, let's say the lethal doses are similar: Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from 200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and over." This is from: http://www.drug-overdose.com/heroin.htm So how much oxycodone is in each oxycontin pill? "It is supplied in 10 mg, 20 mg, 40 mg, 80 mg, and 160 mg tablet strengths for oral administration." The website says the 40 mg pills are the most commonly abused. Oxycontin, unlike heroin, is a time release drug. "Taking broken, chewed, or crushed tablets could lead to the rapid release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose of oxycodone." These quotes are from: http://www.stopoxycontinaddiction.co...ontin-pill.htm I'll assume Rush wasn't chewing or grinding and snorting the pills. The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in a weekend aren't inconceiveable. It would take a fistful of 10 mg oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. I suppose Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs. Elvis did. Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do. "Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998" Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html The TalkLeft site has the headline wrong. Rush wasn't supporting legalizing drugs: "Raise the price sky high and fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs." Did Rush really want to "fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs" with drug tax money? Or was he illustrating the absurdity of the tabacco restrictions? "Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in Prison" Source= http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm There's actually a good point at the drugpolicy site. Prisions aren't drug treatment centers. Rush wasn't personally hijacking trucks or breaking into pharmacies. But he was throwing cash into the criminal culture. Maybe, after this case is worked out, he'll talk about such things as criminalizing drug abuse. I'd like to hear it. But that's not the sort of radio which has given him plenty of money to throw around. "America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, - - - Libertarians say" Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652 Very funny! To quote the Libertarian writer: "The entire nation owes radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, Libertarians say, because his ordeal has exposed every drug warrior in America as a rank hypocrite." How true! To be fair to Rush, the drug war rarely came up on his show. So, on this issue, Rush is a low rank hypocrite. "Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories" Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6 "Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen" Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm That's an interesting cite. Among the things it says is: "With appalling chutzpa, the conservative choir has excused Limbaugh's hypocrisy while simultaneously accusing "liberals and the media" of either themselves doing drugs or defending those who do. Indeed, according to the warped logic of one of his most vocal supporters, Limbaugh's hypocrisy is acceptable in large part because of the media's hypocrisy." But to claim Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite one would have to believe the Rush Limbaugh radio character is the same as the real Rush Limbaugh. ssi ~ RHF = = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.) . . . Frank Dresser |
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![]() You're missing the point stupid. The sex offender part is not the key here. Substitute any crime you'd like. What I'm trying to get across is that a law is a law - the dude broke it whether he went to rehab or maybe it's not a deterrent, etc... Intentions don't mean a damn thing. On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:59:45 -0500, BDK wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:57:16 GMT, "Ross Archer" wrote: Do I misunderstand? Is there any value in jailing someone for becoming addicted to pain medication, after he sought rehab? Any value at all??? I thought not. No deterrent value. No rehabilitation value. Huge negative costs. Is there any value in throwing a confessed sex offender in jail? After they sought help a few times? Any value at all? Can't deter a sex offender right? Can they be rehabilitated? Costs? It's not a question of liberal/conservative values. Who could give a flying F about how those ideals apply to this argument. If a law was broken - pay the consequences. If not - no problem. If anything, he's not a victim of his politics - just a victim of being famous. Regards. Equating sex offenders with drug addiction is just plain nuts. The drug laws are totally out of whack. BDK |
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N8KDV,
"Are you factoring in increased tolerence over time??" Oh No ! Now I have to take off my shoes again. jftfoi ~ RHF .. .. = = = N8KDV = = = wrote in message ... RHF wrote: FD, Lets Do The Math (LDTM): Most Common "Oxycodone" Dosage is 40 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day. = = = Three to Six Pills a Day. (Maximum of Six Pills.) Maximum "Oxycodone" Dosage is 160 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day. = = = Dosage Factor: 160 mg divided by 40 mg Equals Four Times (4X) Using your Heron Over Dose Numbers: = Base Dose 200 mg = OverDose 1800 mg = "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X) Resulting Conclusion: 216 @ 40 mg Pills 1. Maximum of Six Pills 2. Dosage Factor Equals Four Times (4X) 3. "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X) TBL: 6 X 4 X 9 = 216 Pills in a Day should produce an Over Dose. WOW... "RUSH" YOU DA MAN ! (He Is Still Alive - Wow !) Are you factoring in increased tolerence over time?? waef... ~ RHF = When All Else Fails... = = Take Off Your Shoes = = = And Count Your Toes ! . . = = = "Frank Dresser" = = = wrote in message ... "RHF" wrote in message om... [snip] Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend - several hundred - think about it." I Have Thought About It "KT". Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.] Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive ! It's probably not worth checking out, but I did anyway. I couldn't find the lethal dose of oxycodone, but I did find something on heroin. Just for the sake of arguement, let's say the lethal doses are similar: Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from 200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and over." This is from: http://www.drug-overdose.com/heroin.htm So how much oxycodone is in each oxycontin pill? "It is supplied in 10 mg, 20 mg, 40 mg, 80 mg, and 160 mg tablet strengths for oral administration." The website says the 40 mg pills are the most commonly abused. Oxycontin, unlike heroin, is a time release drug. "Taking broken, chewed, or crushed tablets could lead to the rapid release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose of oxycodone." These quotes are from: http://www.stopoxycontinaddiction.co...ontin-pill.htm I'll assume Rush wasn't chewing or grinding and snorting the pills. The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in a weekend aren't inconceiveable. It would take a fistful of 10 mg oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. I suppose Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs. Elvis did. Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do. "Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998" Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html The TalkLeft site has the headline wrong. Rush wasn't supporting legalizing drugs: "Raise the price sky high and fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs." Did Rush really want to "fund all sorts of other wonderful social programs" with drug tax money? Or was he illustrating the absurdity of the tabacco restrictions? "Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in Prison" Source= http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm There's actually a good point at the drugpolicy site. Prisions aren't drug treatment centers. Rush wasn't personally hijacking trucks or breaking into pharmacies. But he was throwing cash into the criminal culture. Maybe, after this case is worked out, he'll talk about such things as criminalizing drug abuse. I'd like to hear it. But that's not the sort of radio which has given him plenty of money to throw around. "America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, - - - Libertarians say" Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652 Very funny! To quote the Libertarian writer: "The entire nation owes radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, Libertarians say, because his ordeal has exposed every drug warrior in America as a rank hypocrite." How true! To be fair to Rush, the drug war rarely came up on his show. So, on this issue, Rush is a low rank hypocrite. "Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories" Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6 "Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen" Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm That's an interesting cite. Among the things it says is: "With appalling chutzpa, the conservative choir has excused Limbaugh's hypocrisy while simultaneously accusing "liberals and the media" of either themselves doing drugs or defending those who do. Indeed, according to the warped logic of one of his most vocal supporters, Limbaugh's hypocrisy is acceptable in large part because of the media's hypocrisy." But to claim Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite one would have to believe the Rush Limbaugh radio character is the same as the real Rush Limbaugh. ssi ~ RHF = = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.) . . . Frank Dresser -- |
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