Well RHF, you'd better hope that if a bunch of fireman are at your
house to rescue your cat from a tree that a fire doesn't break out.
Using your logic they should just stand there and let it burn.


On 24 Dec 2003 09:42:28 -0800, (RHF) wrote:

= = = "JC"
= = = wrote in message ...
It's payback time!

One Mite Ask.... Rush Who ?

Or are your talking about the Electronic Media Lynching
for Rush Limbaugh by a DemoCratZy Political Cardre.

SO WHY has Barry E. Krischer the State's Attorney for Palm Beach
County changed the 'focus' of the Investigation from 'actual'
Drug Dealers to the Conservative Talk Show Host Rush Limbaugh ?

The original Drug Dealing and Drug Suppliers 'investigation'
began as a probe into the illegal sale of prescription painkillers
in South Florida area that targeted dealers and suppliers.
But investigators came across Rush Limbaugh through clues
gathered in a bust of a Drug Dealer in Palm Beach County this year,
that revealed Rush Limbaugh's name as a possible drug buyer.

During this investigation Rush Limbaugh's former housekeeper
(Wilma Cline) was caught along with her husband (David Cline).
After the Clines were caught, they then 'traded' audio tapes and
eMails that they claimed were from Rush Limbaugh to the police
and was "Granted Immunity from Prosecution". The Clines
are/were in-fact Drug Dealers and evidently had kept records
and evidence on their drug dealing business to 'trade' with
the police, if and when they got caught.

TBL: So now the Clines are FREE of All Drug Dealing Charges [.]
* NOTE: The National Enquirer paid the Clines a six-figure
fee for their story.
* REVELATION: The Clines were Black Mailing Mr. Limbaugh
but the Democrat Palm Beach County State Attorney's Office
that Black Mail is not a Crime if Done for the Right Reasons.
* PLUS: Certain individuals connected with the Palm Beach
County State Attorney's Office and the investigation, have
been providing selected information to the National Enquirer
and other friendly news organizations.

? So the "QUESTION" becomes: WHY did the the Palm Beach County
State Attorney's Office let Wilma and David Cline 'the Drug
Dealers' go Free in exchange for Rush Limbaugh 'the Drug User' ?

Has Barry E. Krischer the State's Attorney for Palm Beach County,
choosen to Go After Rush Limbaugh as a high profile drug user
simply for "Political" Reasons.
* NOTE: Barry E. Krischer (Democrat) is the 'elected' State's
Attorney for Palm Beach County, was a supporter of Bill Clinton's
two presidential campaigns and of Al Gore's presidential run in 2000.

I 'repeat' WHY has Barry E. Krischer the State's Attorney for Palm
Beach County changed the 'focus' of the Investigation from 'actual'
Drug Dealers to the Conservative Talk Show Host Rush Limbaugh ?

The Seriousness of the Charges of "Political" Reasons for the
selective 'naming' of Rush Limbaugh 'leaks' of information in
this investigation by Barry E. Krischer the State's Attorney
for Palm Beach County, demand an investigation by the Florida
State Attorney General's Office.


iwtk ~ RHF

.

.

First off, I really don't consider myself a republican, more of a
constructionist than anything.

I really do believe that this whole thing is politically motivated.

As an example, what happened to Brett Farve when he admitted to abusing
prescription drugs? I don't remember anyone requesting his medical records?
And I sure and the hell don't remember any presecutors even "beginning" and
investigation. So Brett Farve along with millions of other people who are
hooked on "scripts" get a pass. (sorry for the pun), but Rush gets leaks to
tabloids, blackmail that is not prosecuted, complete reversal of
investigations, and the special attention of states presecutors. Does not
seem very fair to me. Hell It would be different if Rush was caught with a
bag full of hundreds of pills. But he wasn't.

Ant

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:02:38 GMT, "ASW" wrote:

First off, I really don't consider myself a republican, more of a
constructionist than anything.

I really do believe that this whole thing is politically motivated.

As an example, what happened to Brett Farve when he admitted to abusing
prescription drugs? I don't remember anyone requesting his medical records?
And I sure and the hell don't remember any presecutors even "beginning" and
investigation. So Brett Farve along with millions of other people who are
hooked on "scripts" get a pass. (sorry for the pun), but Rush gets leaks to
tabloids, blackmail that is not prosecuted, complete reversal of
investigations, and the special attention of states presecutors. Does not
seem very fair to me. Hell It would be different if Rush was caught with a
bag full of hundreds of pills. But he wasn't.

Ant

But Farve is not an asshole.......

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary Sanford

Farve was an asshole for taking that sack so Strahan could get the
record... and Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend -
several hundred - think about it.


On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:20:39 GMT, Gary Sanford
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:02:38 GMT, "ASW" wrote:

First off, I really don't consider myself a republican, more of a
constructionist than anything.

I really do believe that this whole thing is politically motivated.

As an example, what happened to Brett Farve when he admitted to abusing
prescription drugs? I don't remember anyone requesting his medical records?
And I sure and the hell don't remember any presecutors even "beginning" and
investigation. So Brett Farve along with millions of other people who are
hooked on "scripts" get a pass. (sorry for the pun), but Rush gets leaks to
tabloids, blackmail that is not prosecuted, complete reversal of
investigations, and the special attention of states presecutors. Does not
seem very fair to me. Hell It would be different if Rush was caught with a
bag full of hundreds of pills. But he wasn't.

Ant

But Farve is not an asshole.......

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary Sanford

kt, Kt. KT !

"KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a
weekend
- several hundred
- think about it."

OBTW: "KW" I like Your Style: AKA: th "-s" )

IRT: Your Statement "KT" - Your NOSE is... G r o w i n g )

"Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was Hooked on the Potent
Prescription Drugs: OxyContin, Lorcet and Hydrocodone"
Source= http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-110349c.html

* Hydrocodone
Anti-cough agent and painkiller similar to morphine. Side effects
include anxiety, poor mental performance, emotional dependence,
drowsiness, mood changes, difficulty breathing and itchiness.

* Lorcet
Brand Name for the combination of Tylenol and Hydrocodone,
prescribed for moderate to severe pain. Side effects include
dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, decreased appetite, dizziness,
tiredness, muscle twitches, sweating and itching.

* OxyContin
Potent time-release medication for relief of moderate to severe
pain, known as hillbilly heroin because of black-market popularity
in some rural areas. Side effects include drowsiness, dizziness,
sweating, muscle twitches and decreased sex drive.
TBL: A Large Dose Can Be FATAL.
"The RUSH on Drugs"
http://www.seattleweekly.com/feature...s_limbaugh.php

Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes):
"Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend
- several hundred - think about it."

I Have Thought About It "KT".
Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills
would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.]

Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive !

"Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998"
Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html

"Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence
to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in
Prison"
Source= http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm

"America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude,
- - - Libertarians say"
Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652

"Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories"
Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6

"Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen"
Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm

ssi ~ RHF
= = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.)
..
..
= = = Ken Thomas
= = = wrote in message . ..

Farve was an asshole for taking that sack so Strahan could get
the record... and Rush would take several hundred pills
on a weekend - several hundred - think about it.

..
- S N I P -
..

RHF -- Excellent job identifying the latest "urban legend." Of course,
facts won't stop them from spreading this manure.

Next thing the libs will find out that they don't get $5,000 for forwarding
the Disney "e-mail test."

Let them down gently.

-- Stinger


"RHF" wrote in message
om...
kt, Kt. KT !

"KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a
weekend
- several hundred
- think about it."

OBTW: "KW" I like Your Style: AKA: th "-s" )

IRT: Your Statement "KT" - Your NOSE is... G r o w i n g )

"Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was Hooked on the Potent
Prescription Drugs: OxyContin, Lorcet and Hydrocodone"
Source= http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-110349c.html

* Hydrocodone
Anti-cough agent and painkiller similar to morphine. Side effects
include anxiety, poor mental performance, emotional dependence,
drowsiness, mood changes, difficulty breathing and itchiness.

* Lorcet
Brand Name for the combination of Tylenol and Hydrocodone,
prescribed for moderate to severe pain. Side effects include
dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, decreased appetite, dizziness,
tiredness, muscle twitches, sweating and itching.

* OxyContin
Potent time-release medication for relief of moderate to severe
pain, known as hillbilly heroin because of black-market popularity
in some rural areas. Side effects include drowsiness, dizziness,
sweating, muscle twitches and decreased sex drive.
TBL: A Large Dose Can Be FATAL.
"The RUSH on Drugs"
http://www.seattleweekly.com/feature...s_limbaugh.php

Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes):
"Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend
- several hundred - think about it."

I Have Thought About It "KT".
Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills
would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.]

Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive !

"Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998"
Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html

"Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence
to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in
Prison"
Source=
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm

"America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude,
- - - Libertarians say"
Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652

"Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories"
Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6

"Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen"
Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm

ssi ~ RHF
= = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.)
.
.
= = = Ken Thomas
= = = wrote in message
. ..

Farve was an asshole for taking that sack so Strahan could get
the record... and Rush would take several hundred pills
on a weekend - several hundred - think about it.

.
- S N I P -
.

"RHF" wrote in message
om...

[snip]


Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes):
"Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend
- several hundred - think about it."

I Have Thought About It "KT".
Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills
would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.]

Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive !

It's probably not worth checking out, but I did anyway. I couldn't find
the lethal dose of oxycodone, but I did find something on heroin. Just
for the sake of arguement, let's say the lethal doses are similar:

Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from
200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and
over."

This is from:

http://www.drug-overdose.com/heroin.htm


So how much oxycodone is in each oxycontin pill?

"It is supplied in 10 mg, 20 mg, 40 mg, 80 mg, and 160 mg tablet
strengths for oral administration."

The website says the 40 mg pills are the most commonly abused.

Oxycontin, unlike heroin, is a time release drug.

"Taking broken, chewed, or crushed tablets could lead to the rapid
release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose of oxycodone."

These quotes are from:

http://www.stopoxycontinaddiction.co...ontin-pill.htm

I'll assume Rush wasn't chewing or grinding and snorting the pills.

The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in a
weekend aren't inconceiveable. It would take a fistful of 10 mg
oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. I suppose
Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs.
Elvis did. Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other
stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do.



"Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998"
Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html

The TalkLeft site has the headline wrong. Rush wasn't supporting
legalizing drugs:

"Raise the price sky high and fund all sorts of other wonderful social
programs."

Did Rush really want to "fund all sorts of other wonderful social
programs" with drug tax money? Or was he illustrating the absurdity of
the tabacco restrictions?



"Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence
to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in
Prison"
Source=
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm

There's actually a good point at the drugpolicy site. Prisions aren't
drug treatment centers.

Rush wasn't personally hijacking trucks or breaking into pharmacies.
But he was throwing cash into the criminal culture. Maybe, after this
case is worked out, he'll talk about such things as criminalizing drug
abuse. I'd like to hear it. But that's not the sort of radio which has
given him plenty of money to throw around.


"America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude,
- - - Libertarians say"
Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652


Very funny! To quote the Libertarian writer:

"The entire nation owes radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh a debt of
gratitude, Libertarians say, because his ordeal has exposed every drug
warrior in America as a rank hypocrite."

How true! To be fair to Rush, the drug war rarely came up on his show.
So, on this issue, Rush is a low rank hypocrite.



"Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories"
Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6

"Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen"
Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm

That's an interesting cite. Among the things it says is:

"With appalling chutzpa, the conservative choir has excused Limbaugh's
hypocrisy while simultaneously accusing "liberals and the media" of
either themselves doing drugs or defending those who do. Indeed,
according to the warped logic of one of his most vocal supporters,
Limbaugh's hypocrisy is acceptable in large part because of the media's
hypocrisy."

But to claim Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite one would have to believe the
Rush Limbaugh radio character is the same as the real Rush Limbaugh.


ssi ~ RHF
= = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.)
.
.
.

Frank Dresser

FD,

Lets Do The Math (LDTM):

Most Common "Oxycodone" Dosage is 40 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day.
= = = Three to Six Pills a Day. (Maximum of Six Pills.)

Maximum "Oxycodone" Dosage is 160 mg and taken 3-6 Times a Day.
= = = Dosage Factor: 160 mg divided by 40 mg Equals Four Times (4X)

Using your Heron Over Dose Numbers:
= Base Dose 200 mg
= OverDose 1800 mg
= "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X)

Resulting Conclusion: 216 @ 40 mg Pills
1. Maximum of Six Pills
2. Dosage Factor Equals Four Times (4X)
3. "OD" Factor: Nine Times (9X)
TBL: 6 X 4 X 9 = 216 Pills in a Day should produce an Over Dose.

WOW... "RUSH" YOU DA MAN !
(He Is Still Alive - Wow !)


waef... ~ RHF
= When All Else Fails...
= = Take Off Your Shoes
= = = And Count Your Toes !
..
..
= = = "Frank Dresser"
= = = wrote in message ...
"RHF" wrote in message
om...

[snip]


Once again let us remember "KT" Says (Writes):
"Rush would take several hundred pills on a weekend
- several hundred - think about it."

I Have Thought About It "KT".
Lets get Real Here "KT" Several Hundred of Any One of these Pills
would be a Death Sentence (Life Ending Drug Over Dose) for Anyone [.]

Last Time I Checked: Rush Is Alive !

It's probably not worth checking out, but I did anyway. I couldn't find
the lethal dose of oxycodone, but I did find something on heroin. Just
for the sake of arguement, let's say the lethal doses are similar:

Depending on purity and the user, a lethal dose of heroin may range from
200 to 500mg, but hardened addicts have survived doses of 1800mg and
over."

This is from:

http://www.drug-overdose.com/heroin.htm


So how much oxycodone is in each oxycontin pill?

"It is supplied in 10 mg, 20 mg, 40 mg, 80 mg, and 160 mg tablet
strengths for oral administration."

The website says the 40 mg pills are the most commonly abused.

Oxycontin, unlike heroin, is a time release drug.

"Taking broken, chewed, or crushed tablets could lead to the rapid
release and absorption of a potentially toxic dose of oxycodone."

These quotes are from:

http://www.stopoxycontinaddiction.co...ontin-pill.htm

I'll assume Rush wasn't chewing or grinding and snorting the pills.

The original poster didn't support his claim, but hundreds of pills in a
weekend aren't inconceiveable. It would take a fistful of 10 mg
oxycontin pills to have the kick that one 160 mg pill has. I suppose
Rush might have been managing the opiate side effects with other drugs.
Elvis did. Rush might have been downing vitamins and minerals and other
stuff the way bodybuilders and the health food crowd do.



"Rush Limbaugh Supported Legalizing Drugs in 12 March 1998"
Source= http://www.talkleft.com/archives/004605.html

The TalkLeft site has the headline wrong. Rush wasn't supporting
legalizing drugs:

"Raise the price sky high and fund all sorts of other wonderful social
programs."

Did Rush really want to "fund all sorts of other wonderful social
programs" with drug tax money? Or was he illustrating the absurdity of
the tabacco restrictions?



"Drug Policy Alliance Urges Rush Limbaugh to Use Power and Influence
to Benefit Hundreds of Thousands of Fellow Addicts Languishing in
Prison"
Source=
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press.../pr1118b03.cfm

There's actually a good point at the drugpolicy site. Prisions aren't
drug treatment centers.

Rush wasn't personally hijacking trucks or breaking into pharmacies.
But he was throwing cash into the criminal culture. Maybe, after this
case is worked out, he'll talk about such things as criminalizing drug
abuse. I'd like to hear it. But that's not the sort of radio which has
given him plenty of money to throw around.


"America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude,
- - - Libertarians say"
Source= http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?...iew&record=652


Very funny! To quote the Libertarian writer:

"The entire nation owes radio broadcaster Rush Limbaugh a debt of
gratitude, Libertarians say, because his ordeal has exposed every drug
warrior in America as a rank hypocrite."

How true! To be fair to Rush, the drug war rarely came up on his show.
So, on this issue, Rush is a low rank hypocrite.



"Rush Limbaugh Statement on Prescription Pain Medication Stories"
Make-A-Shorter-Link URL-Key= http://makeashorterlink.com/?X48B313E6

"Rush Limbaugh and the Hypocrisy Smokescreen"
Source= http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1018-04.htm

That's an interesting cite. Among the things it says is:

"With appalling chutzpa, the conservative choir has excused Limbaugh's
hypocrisy while simultaneously accusing "liberals and the media" of
either themselves doing drugs or defending those who do. Indeed,
according to the warped logic of one of his most vocal supporters,
Limbaugh's hypocrisy is acceptable in large part because of the media's
hypocrisy."

But to claim Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite one would have to believe the
Rush Limbaugh radio character is the same as the real Rush Limbaugh.


ssi ~ RHF
= = = So Say I (My Personal Opinons and Beliefs Stated As Facts.)
.
.
.

Frank Dresser

On 25 Dec 2003 00:08:22 -0800, (RHF) wrote:

kt, Kt. KT !

"KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a
weekend
- several hundred
- think about it."

OBTW: "KW" I like Your Style: AKA: th "-s" )



I just did the math. Maybe too much of an assumption so I stand
corrected on the amount per weekend.

Here's the quote helping me draw my conclusion.

"Limbaugh's former housekeeper claimed she helped the radio host buy
30,000 hydrocodone, Lorcet and OxyContin pills from black-market
suppliers between 1998 and 2002".

I assumed about an average of 150 a week. Then I figured he probably
got worse -- meaning he started out slowly and started taking ever
increasing amounts. So I was thinking he may have did 20 or so a week
in the beginning and then by the end of things was probably up to a
few hundred a week. Most likely taking those on the weekend when he
wasn't working.

No liberal spin. No conspiracy. Just a logical conclusion. Or so I
thought. Wow RHF - you're message is scary. The kt, Kt. KT! thing
and the nose growing comment and all the dashes, quotes, arrows and
symbols. Yikes dude.

KT,

I just did the Math and at a possible 216 Pills a Day.
Several Hundred Pills in a Weekend would be a Fair Statement.
( So You Were Right - KT )


KT - If you Think My Message is Scary . . .
= = = You Don't Like My Posting Style.

- - - Don't Read Them !

+ + + Don't Reply To Them [.]


Here is "Something-To-Remember":
When You are Opening a Can of Worms.
Whether they are Dead? -or- Alive?
All You are Going to Get is Worms [.]


yiosd ~ RHF
= = = Yikes, I'm One Scary Dude )
..
..
= = = Ken Thomas
= = = wrote in message . ..
On 25 Dec 2003 00:08:22 -0800, (RHF) wrote:

kt, Kt. KT !

"KT" Says (Writes): "Rush would take several hundred pills on a
weekend
- several hundred
- think about it."

OBTW: "KW" I like Your Style: AKA: th "-s" )



I just did the math. Maybe too much of an assumption so I stand
corrected on the amount per weekend.

Here's the quote helping me draw my conclusion.

"Limbaugh's former housekeeper claimed she helped the radio host buy
30,000 hydrocodone, Lorcet and OxyContin pills from black-market
suppliers between 1998 and 2002".

I assumed about an average of 150 a week. Then I figured he probably
got worse -- meaning he started out slowly and started taking ever
increasing amounts. So I was thinking he may have did 20 or so a week
in the beginning and then by the end of things was probably up to a
few hundred a week. Most likely taking those on the weekend when he
wasn't working.

No liberal spin. No conspiracy. Just a logical conclusion. Or so I
thought. Wow RHF - you're message is scary. The kt, Kt. KT! thing
and the nose growing comment and all the dashes, quotes, arrows and
symbols. Yikes dude.


..