Currrent:

Problem usually is that there is no character development,
pacing, or reasonable dialogue in lots of the books written today. Most of
which never get published.

- On the other hand, Consider " Salems Lot" as an example of what I consider
good character development, pacing, dialogue, etc, etc., etc.

Totally crazy Idea, but good writing makes it work !

Dan


There was a Twilight Zone episode about someone tuning in broadcasts from
the past on a MW radio. It wasn't a shoddy plot, nor a bad movie.

"Current_gothic" wrote in message
...
Just think what if this actually happened
maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't
some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't
i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u
on here might say..
so here it goes.

Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has,
heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB
stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio
and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this
ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about

well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave
radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004
maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a
plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave.

now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen .
or maybe it has happened to you,,

would like to hear your input


Well, there's this:

"There may be a cosmic repeater in orbit around the moon placed there
by an alien civilization. In attempt to make it's presence known it
picks up whatever radio signal it hears and retransmits them back on the
same frequency."

This is from:

http://www.qsl.net/ea6vq/lde.html

Frank Dresser

Have you heard of "Gravitational Lensing" ? Massive bodies cause multiple
images of objects to appear in photographs of stars because light is bent by
the object. On an earthly level, the earth's own magnetic field has gaps and
is diminishing over time, giving rise to speculation that is now supported
by simulations, that the magetic field will disappear altogether. It may
reappear or vanish forever. The mechanism for this is somewhat understood,
but not entirely. The gaps in the earth's magnetic field are caused by solar
activity. The universe is a place we understand very little, and humbling
for that. It is not impossible for the impossible to happen s.

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Current_gothic" wrote in message
...
Just think what if this actually happened
maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't
some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't
i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u
on here might say..
so here it goes.

Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has,
heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB
stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio
and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this
ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about

well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave
radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004
maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a
plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave.

now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen .
or maybe it has happened to you,,

would like to hear your input


Well, there's this:

"There may be a cosmic repeater in orbit around the moon placed there
by an alien civilization. In attempt to make it's presence known it
picks up whatever radio signal it hears and retransmits them back on the
same frequency."

This is from:

http://www.qsl.net/ea6vq/lde.html

Frank Dresser

"Maximus" wrote in message
link.net...
Have you heard of "Gravitational Lensing" ? Massive bodies cause
multiple
images of objects to appear in photographs of stars because light is
bent by
the object. On an earthly level, the earth's own magnetic field has
gaps and
is diminishing over time, giving rise to speculation that is now
supported
by simulations, that the magetic field will disappear altogether. It
may
reappear or vanish forever. The mechanism for this is somewhat
understood,
but not entirely. The gaps in the earth's magnetic field are caused by
solar
activity. The universe is a place we understand very little, and
humbling
for that. It is not impossible for the impossible to happen s.



Yeah, the lensing is something Einstein predicted.

By the way, if you want a different explaination for Long Delayed Echos,
you could imagine the radio waves bouncing off clouds of ionized gas in
outer space. If the clouds were shaped properly, they could even focus
the RF back to earth. Seems tenous to me. The cosmic repeater theory
is more fun.

Frank Dresser

In theory when a radio wave goes off in to space, it just keeps going. But,
it decreases in intensity at the inverse square law factor. This means that
it gets exponentially weaker by inverse square law per unit distance. There
would be a point where the strength of the radio wave would be as weak or
weaker than the natural full spectrum of the background noise radiation that
exists in space. At this point, it would not be easily detectable.

As for the standard long wave, medium wave, and short wave communications,
most of the energy from these bounces off the ionosphere back to the earth
again. They keep going in their path until they disperse or wear down to a
level that is no longer detectable. There has been some experiments were a
radio wave pulse was sent out in a single direction, and about a half a
second later it was picked up again from the opposite direction. This radio
wave travelled around the world, bouncing between the ionosphere and the
earths surface.

VHF, UHF, and higher frequencies can escape the ionosphere and go out in to
space. There are scientists and even some hobbyists with a descent budget
who have experimented in bouncing radio waves off the moon for research.
This requires some specialized equipment and knowledge to implement, and
work with.

As for receiving radio waves coming back from out in space that have been
sent from the earth is another thing. There are some theories and people who
have claimed this to be. There is the theory that the wave may go out
somewhere, and bounce off some type of planet or object that can amplify it
in some manner. This is only speculative, and there are some theories that
support this.

There have been a few claims of people getting both radio and TV signals a
few days or even a month or so after its broadcast. I can recall reading
about a case that in about 1954 there was a family in Newfoundland that
claimed to have picked up a TV station from Florida that was broadcasted
about 8 days prior. The Florida TV station did say that they did not repeat
this program in any way at that time. There is no actual proof of this
other than the descriptions of the people who claimed this to be. They said
that the picture was very snowy, but was able to be made out along with the
sound. It supposedly only lasted about 3 minutes or so.

There have been actual documented cases where TV stations have been picked
up over excessively very long distances. But these were normal broadcasts,
and were not delayed out of the ordinary. By some chance there was a skip
effect caused by the ionosphere. The reception conditions were ideal at that
time.

There is speculation in this case, was that some of the family members may
have been to Florida, or a friend of their who has been, was over at their
place at the time. They may have picked up some distant station from the US
at the time, which is most likely possible, and thought they were watching
an older program. It is possible that the program that was on TV was a
similar program to what they thought they were watching.

From the background that I have in engineering, I personally cannot see in
practice a broadcast signal going far out in space and then returning even a
few minutes later. Then again, I am not authority in this type of
phenomenon. I can see this able to be done over a few seconds by beaming
the signal to a close body in space such as the moon, if directly intended
for this type of purpose, using the proper set-up, resources, and equipment
to do this. In theory if they can do this to mars, then it would be a few
minutes. But, one would have to be a dead on aim to do this, because the
reflected signal would be very critical, and the bodies are moving in space.
Considering the power required, and the losses involved, I cannot see in
practice to reflect a signal off of anything much farther than the moon.

Then again, in theory a signal that goes out in space should have that very
small chance of reflecting back to the earth. But, being able to sustain any
reception of it, or even make it out any intelligence in it, would be
another matter.

This is my personal opinion only...

--

Greetings,

Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG
=========================================


"Current_gothic" wrote in message
...
Just think what if this actually happened
maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't
some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't
i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u
on here might say..
so here it goes.

Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has,
heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB
stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio
and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this
ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about

well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave
radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004
maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a
plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave.

now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen .
or maybe it has happened to you,,

would like to hear your input

thanks

The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB)
VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener
NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator

Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher

(Current_gothic) wrote in
:

well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave
radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004
maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a
plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave.

There have been documented cases of this happening, so nobody should start
riduculing you. There was a case in Britain of a several years old TV
broadcast being received by a number of people.

Just like light, radio transmissions never stop. They are diminished and
absorbed by the atmosphere, but those that have escaped Earth continue to
travel through space at the speed of light. If somehow they were reflected
back to Earth, it would be perfectly possible to receive them years later.

In article ,
says...

Just think what if this actually happened
maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't
some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't
i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u
on here might say..
so here it goes.

OK.

Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has,
heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB
stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio
and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this
ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about

That would be good...

well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave
radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004
maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a
plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave.

now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen .
or maybe it has happened to you,,

would like to hear your input

According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe,
this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst;
it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it
traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back,
the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio
it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the
neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up
such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re-
enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission
that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance.

FW

If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on,
and then follow them
Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all
park,

- & JUST before it gets interesting -

you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out
to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked .

- So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary
local behavior to go along with this.
I think in " Signals", it was northern lights...
- And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some
thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call..

Dan
'


In article , (Frank White)
writes:


According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe,
this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst;
it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it
traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back,
the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio
it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the
neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up
such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re-
enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission
that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance.

FW

i never have picked up radio stations from years later
just kina thought of that topics nad thought it would be neat to put
on here and se everyones opinions

and quite a few ones and scientific ones to add


On 19 Jan 2004 15:55:01 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote:

If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on,
and then follow them
Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all
park,

- & JUST before it gets interesting -

you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out
to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked .

- So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary
local behavior to go along with this.
I think in " Signals", it was northern lights...
- And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some
thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call..

Dan
'


In article , (Frank White)
writes:


According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe,
this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst;
it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it
traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back,
the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio
it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the
neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up
such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re-
enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission
that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance.

FW




The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB)
VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener
NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator

Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher

What this person is referring to is an incident in Britain in 1953
(IIRC). People in a certain area recieved an ID slide of TV station KLEE
in Houston (I think) one night, with a long enough duration that a few
photos of the ID were taken. When somebody tried to contact KLEE, they
found out that the station went off the air in 1950. This was during the
flying saucer mania, and people were talking about how little green men
from an unknown planet "bounced" the signal off their UFO located three
light years from Earth. What nobody noticed was that the UK and the US
had radically different standards for electronic TV (405 lines vs 525
lines, for starters) so if LGM were responsible the signal would not
have been recievable in Britain. I read on a website a few years ago
that the hoaxer who broadcast the KLEE ID had eventually been found, but
they didn't have any further details.

Also, AM signals don't escape into space like FM and TV signals do, they
just bounce around the ionosphere until they die out completely. We know
this as "skywave".

I remember seeing an episode of Amazing Stories (TV show) back in the
80s where these teenage experimenters picked up TV signals from a planet
20 light years away. The aliens had recieved our TV signals during their
nascent radio era, and faithfully recreated the shows. Thus "I Love
Lucy" with little conehead like aliens whose language sounded like "rolf
rolf rolf".

When KFRC (610 khz) in San Francisco changed from rock music to big band
in 1984, they would replay classic radio shows, complete with
commercials and announced dates. Word is that the cops would get
panicked phone calls everytime they did this...


Diverd4777 wrote:

If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on,
and then follow them
Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all
park,

- & JUST before it gets interesting -

you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out
to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked .

- So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary
local behavior to go along with this.
I think in " Signals", it was northern lights...
- And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some
thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call..

Dan
'


In article , (Frank White)
writes:


According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe,
this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst;
it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it
traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back,
the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio
it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the
neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up
such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re-
enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission
that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance.

FW