Spain proves terror attacks work.
 

Spain is about to prove that a terror attack can get countries to act
as you wish. Thanks Spain

Robert Beck wrote:

Spain is about to prove that a terror attack can get countries to act
as you wish. Thanks Spain

That would appear to be the case at this time. And when the terrorists
realise that what they do works, they'll just keep at it.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

That would appear to be the case at this time. And when the terrorists
realise that what they do works, they'll just keep at it.
And why not ?

They've learned from the United States that the indescriminate killing of
civilians in a foreign land can be a remarkably effective way of achieving
your goals (excluding Vietnam).

Barry Carlton wrote:

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

That would appear to be the case at this time. And when the terrorists
realise that what they do works, they'll just keep at it.
And why not ?

They've learned from the United States that the indescriminate killing of
civilians in a foreign land can be a remarkably effective way of achieving
your goals (excluding Vietnam).

I guess I must ask in which countries the United States has been involved in
the indiscriminate killing of civilians?

"DxAce" wrote in message
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh... I forgot that you were in Canada! Correct?


No. Australia.

We also has more than its fair share of blood on its hands. We have been
alongside you engaging in many of the same atrocities, and I believe that we
will also wind up with the same result.

Violence is never justified, but that is not always so easily understood by
those who have been subject to it.

Barry Carlton wrote:

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

Ahhhhhhhhhhh... I forgot that you were in Canada! Correct?


No. Australia.

We also has more than its fair share of blood on its hands. We have been
alongside you engaging in many of the same atrocities, and I believe that we
will also wind up with the same result.

Violence is never justified, but that is not always so easily understood by
those who have been subject to it.

Never justified? And sorry, I thought you were in Canada.

"Barry Carlton" wrote:



If there is one thing that history can teach it is that violence begets only
violence.



Appeasement begets violence, too.



"If you want to know who really runs the country, consider that Jesus Christ is
the only Jew we're allowed to "hate"." --- Bill Hudson

"DxAce" wrote in message
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Never justified? And sorry, I thought you were in Canada.

Never.

Barry Carlton wrote:

"DxAce" wrote in message
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Never justified? And sorry, I thought you were in Canada.

Never.

So how does one respond to violence? Lay down and surrender?

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

So how does one respond to violence? Lay down and surrender?

One need not respond. Walk away. Or lay down and surrender if you'd
prefer.

Barry Carlton wrote:

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

So how does one respond to violence? Lay down and surrender?

One need not respond. Walk away. Or lay down and surrender if you'd
prefer.

I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil


Do you not think that at least a portion of Herr Hitler's screwed-up mind
was the result of his experiences in World War I ?

"Barry Carlton" wrote in message
u...

The general ignorance of many Americans of their own national
history never
ceases to amaze me.

Aw geez, almost forgot this one.

The general arrogance of non-U.S citizens who believe their knowledge
of our history--seen through the eyes, needless to say, of
professional leftists and all-purpose America haters-- to be superior
to -our own- knowledge of -our own- history never ceases to
amaze -me.- Particularly, of course, when those individuals would
probably be speaking Japanese or Chinese were it not for our
regrettably aggressive nature :)

"T. Early" wrote in message
...
The general arrogance of non-U.S citizens who believe their knowledge
of our history--seen through the eyes, needless to say, of
professional leftists and all-purpose America haters-- to be superior
to -our own- knowledge of -our own- history never ceases to
amaze -me.- Particularly, of course, when those individuals would
probably be speaking Japanese or Chinese were it not for our
regrettably aggressive nature :)

I don't hate America.. I certainly don't agree with some of the things that
your country has done, nor many things that my own country has done, but
that didn't mean that I hate them.

Also am I not a leftist. I do wonder why the assumption that pacifism must
somehow be coupled to leftism is made so frequently.

From: (RHF)

So this is 'why' it is "Neccessary" to Kill ALL of the Enemy.

Dead Men Don't Fight [.]

So... We Can Have Peace :o)

So, earlier you suggest that all of Islam is responsible for the terrorists.
Are you now suggesting that ALL of Islam is the Enermy and must DIE?

Shaking my head in sadness,


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Michael Bryant wrote:

Shaking my head in sadness,

Yeah, it is indeed sad when you can't back up your claims!




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"Barry Carlton" wrote in message
u...

"T. Early" wrote in message
...
The general arrogance of non-U.S citizens who believe their
knowledge
of our history--seen through the eyes, needless to say, of
professional leftists and all-purpose America haters-- to be
superior
to -our own- knowledge of -our own- history never ceases to
amaze -me.- Particularly, of course, when those individuals would
probably be speaking Japanese or Chinese were it not for our
regrettably aggressive nature :)

I don't hate America.. I certainly don't agree with some of the
things that
your country has done, nor many things that my own country has done,
but
that didn't mean that I hate them.

Also am I not a leftist. I do wonder why the assumption that
pacifism must
somehow be coupled to leftism is made so frequently.


Although I intended my comment to be more generic, rather than aimed
in particular at you, I apologize if I ended up mischaracterizing
your place on the political spectrum as well as your view on the U.S.
While it's not necessarily justification for making a leap in that
direction, I'd suggest that some of the views you've espoused (some of
which IMO go beyond mere"pacifism") emanate with incredible frequency
from the left. Perhaps that accounts for the tendency to "couple."

DxAce schrieb:

I guess I must ask in which countries the United States has been involved in
the indiscriminate killing of civilians?

At first in the "States" before they became "United"....
So it has a long history from the early beginning.

So what shortwave program you are listening to right now?
I'm just fiddling around between 6500 and 7000.

Volker

Volker Tonn wrote:

DxAce schrieb:

I guess I must ask in which countries the United States has been involved in
the indiscriminate killing of civilians?

At first in the "States" before they became "United"....
So it has a long history from the early beginning.

So what shortwave program you are listening to right now?
I'm just fiddling around between 6500 and 7000.

Listening to 890, WLS Chicago...

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

DxAce schrieb:

I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil

Come over here and tell this on the street and you will be imprisoned
immediately. Stil fiddling around with the dial...

Volker Tonn wrote:

DxAce schrieb:

I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil

Come over here and tell this on the street and you will be imprisoned
immediately. Stil fiddling around with the dial...

Yes, still a bit touchy about WWII over there.

Barry Carlton schrieb:

I don't hate America.. I certainly don't agree with some of the things that
your country has done, nor many things that my own country has done, but
that didn't mean that I hate them.

Also am I not a leftist. I do wonder why the assumption that pacifism must
somehow be coupled to leftism is made so frequently.

Full ACK. I live in germany and I know what "history has done badly" to
my parents and and parents in law's families.
Some years back when I travelled USA southwest I met lots of people and
almost all of them were lack of knowing even the basic history of their
own country.... Not to speak from anything actually was happening in the
world. They had simply not an idea of it. They were all VERY friendly
people -running with blinders-. So some shortwave listeners in the US
are a great exception on this.

Volker

N8KDV schrieb:

Volker Tonn wrote:


DxAce schrieb:


I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil

Come over here and tell this on the street and you will be imprisoned
immediately. Stil fiddling around with the dial...


Yes, still a bit touchy about WWII over there.


Wrong! (No, I don't call you a liar!) Not touchy on WW2 but VERY
sensible on national-socialistic minds and provinding NS. WW2 and
(provinding) NS are very different things. For sure it's merely mixed up
in not detailed (hi)story books.
And calling "Sieg, Heil" is one thing, NS-minded are outing themthelves
with. I only tell ya... Now you can get on calling "Sieg, Heil" and
people will know what's mind you are -or keep it-.

Volker Tonn wrote:

N8KDV schrieb:

Volker Tonn wrote:


DxAce schrieb:


I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil

Come over here and tell this on the street and you will be imprisoned
immediately. Stil fiddling around with the dial...


Yes, still a bit touchy about WWII over there.


Wrong! (No, I don't call you a liar!) Not touchy on WW2 but VERY
sensible on national-socialistic minds and provinding NS. WW2 and
(provinding) NS are very different things. For sure it's merely mixed up
in not detailed (hi)story books.
And calling "Sieg, Heil" is one thing, NS-minded are outing themthelves
with. I only tell ya... Now you can get on calling "Sieg, Heil" and
people will know what's mind you are -or keep it-.

You totally missed the reason I mentioned Sieg Heil...

But I'll let it go at that!

Why not? Worked here.

"Robert Beck" wrote in message
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Spain is about to prove that a terror attack can get countries to act
as you wish. Thanks Spain

In article ,
Volker Tonn wrote:

Barry Carlton schrieb:

I don't hate America.. I certainly don't agree with some of the
things that your country has done, nor many things that my own
country has done, but that didn't mean that I hate them.

Also am I not a leftist. I do wonder why the assumption that
pacifism must somehow be coupled to leftism is made so frequently.

Full ACK. I live in germany and I know what "history has done badly"
to my parents and and parents in law's families. Some years back when
I travelled USA southwest I met lots of people and almost all of them
were lack of knowing even the basic history of their own country....
Not to speak from anything actually was happening in the world. They
had simply not an idea of it. They were all VERY friendly people
-running with blinders-. So some shortwave listeners in the US are a
great exception on this.

The continental US is large and composed 50 states. That is many states
that have their own issues to keep track of similar in scale to all of
Europe. Plenty of news and commerce to keep anyone occupied is
generated here. The rest of the world despite technology is still much
farther away and has less influence on their lives. So what else would
you expect from them?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:47:26 +1000, "Barry Carlton"
wrote:


"DxAce" wrote in message
...

That would appear to be the case at this time. And when the terrorists
realise that what they do works, they'll just keep at it.
And why not ?

They've learned from the United States that the indescriminate killing of
civilians in a foreign land can be a remarkably effective way of achieving
your goals (excluding Vietnam).




Your comments leave me at a loss for words. The stupidity of your
answer leaves but one response:

Eat **** and Die

Yeah, your damn right. And by golly we americans are gonna make the rest of
the world live in freedom whether they want to or not!

"Barry Carlton" wrote in message
But I was thinking more along the lines of recent history, with the likes of
Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam (which didn't work out as well as you'd hoped of
course), Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, Lebanon

There would of course me more countries included if the activities of
agencies such as the CIA or US installed puppet governments were also
included, rather than just the US military.

I guess your right since Australia is made up primarily of the
ancestors of Britians convicts. So the aussies are probably well
versed in violance.

"Barry Carlton" wrote in message
No. Australia.

We also has more than its fair share of blood on its hands. We have been
alongside you engaging in many of the same atrocities, and I believe that we
will also wind up with the same result.

Violence is never justified, but that is not always so easily understood by
those who have been subject to it.

What if they just wanted a change of government?

So in the newspeak "war" to protect what we call democracy these days, we
can't just accept the result of an election for what it is?

Pete

"Robert Beck" wrote in message
...
Spain is about to prove that a terror attack can get countries to act
as you wish. Thanks Spain

In article
ogers.com,
"Pierre L" wrote:

What if they just wanted a change of government?

So in the newspeak "war" to protect what we call democracy these days, we
can't just accept the result of an election for what it is?

You are not paying attention. The election is being called "an upset."
That should clue you in.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

No, it's ONLY the Wahabi sect of ISLAM that want you and your family
dead as doornails. I say, 'them first'.

"Vic Martinez" wrote in message
...
No, it's ONLY the Wahabi sect of ISLAM that want you and your family
dead as doornails. I say, 'them first'.


Let's not forget the Ayatollah Khomeini and those Shiite Muslims who
thought Khomeini was too soft. But you're right in that it's a minority
of Muslims who want us harmed. Still, human nature says there's a swing
group who wants to side with the winner. The attacks and election in
Spain have Al-Qaeda looking like they are on a roll.

Frank Dresser

PL,

As is often Said after an Election: The People Have Spoken [.]

In this case... "The People" have Spoken in Spanish :o)

~ RHF
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= = = "Pierre L" wrote in message
= = = ble.rogers.com...

What if they just wanted a change of government?

So in the newspeak "war" to protect what we call democracy these days,
we can't just accept the result of an election for what it is?

Pete

"Robert Beck" wrote in message
...

Spain is about to prove that a terror attack can get
countries to act as you wish. Thanks Spain

..

The differnece between the United States and other countries is..

1. The US believes in protecting borders, language, and culture.
2. We do not want a one-world government or a one world nation
alliance.
3. We will not surrender to the radical islamic fanatics and let them
build there little religious (terror) institutions all over the place
and call us a racist if we don't like it.
4. Spain didn't close close to 3,000 in this terror attack, the US
lost over 3,000 in 9-11, so lets go and bomb the hell out of these
*******s.. to get even... the next time these towelheads attack we
will just go over there again and bomb the hell out of them even more.
Spain is already surrendering to the Islamics and socialists who
think oppression and radical islamic values brings sucess. (Look at
all the other radical islamic nations, they are still acting like they
did at the dawn of the stone age! Nothing is ever advanced) I've never
seen a communist nation that ever succeeded, even the socialist
nations are struggling, they have to find money to pay for "national
services) But to pay for free healthcare, the money HAS to come from
somewhere.. Dr's and surgeons do not work for free.

As Europe surrenders to the radical islam nation it will be up to the
United States to continue the fight against the one-world islamic
nation.


And yes.. "Sieg hail"


DxAce wrote in message ...
Barry Carlton wrote:

"DxAce" wrote in message
...

So how does one respond to violence? Lay down and surrender?

One need not respond. Walk away. Or lay down and surrender if you'd
prefer.

I have but one thing to say... Sieg Heil

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Name ANY Islamic nation whoose people enjoy a half decent quality of
living? Hmmm? All that comes out of these places are violence and
terror and oppression. Islam is a highly racist religion.


ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message ...
From: (RHF)

So this is 'why' it is "Neccessary" to Kill ALL of the Enemy.

Dead Men Don't Fight [.]

So... We Can Have Peace :o)

So, earlier you suggest that all of Islam is responsible for the terrorists.
Are you now suggesting that ALL of Islam is the Enermy and must DIE?

Shaking my head in sadness,


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
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From: (RedOctober90)

Name ANY Islamic nation whoose people enjoy a half decent quality of
living? Hmmm? All that comes out of these places are violence and
terror and oppression. Islam is a highly racist religion.

Brunei
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Qatar

And even Christianity has been used to incredibly racist ends. Remember, Klan
meetings start with a prayer.



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= = = ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message
= = = ...

From: (RedOctober90)

Name ANY Islamic nation whoose people enjoy a half decent quality of
living? Hmmm? All that comes out of these places are violence and
terror and oppression. Islam is a highly racist religion.


Brunei
MWB - Brunei ?
- Which is a Hereditary Monarchy that has NO Elections.
- Where Shari'a Law supersedes civil law.
- Where Women and Children ARE Property [.]
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/bx.html
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Saudi Arabia
MWB - Saudi Arabia ?
- Which is a Hereditary Monarchy that has NO Elections.
- Which is Governed according to Shari'a
[ Islamic Law for both Muslims and Non-Muslims. ]
- Where Women and Children ARE Property [.]
- Who has 25% Un-Employment for It's Own Citizens (Males).
- Where 35% of the Labor Force Population are 'foreign guest workers'.
- Where 30% of Women are Illiterate.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/sa.html
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United Arab Emirates
- Which are a group of Hereditary Monarchies that have NO Elections.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/tc.html
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Qatar
- Which is a Hereditary Monarchy - but has some Elections.
- Islamic Law (Shari'a) dominates family and personal matters.
[ Translation: Women and Children ARE Property. ]
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/qa.html
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MWB - The Topic is SPAIN and ISLAM (or the Islam-O-Baddies)

Christianity and the Klan are NON-SEQUITUR [.]
http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
Check-Out "Non-Sequitur" the Commic Strip :o)

And even Christianity has been used to incredibly racist ends.

MWB - NOT ON TOPIC [.]
[ Think, You Can Do Better Then This... ]
..
Remember, Klan meetings start with a prayer.

MWB - NOT ON TOPIC [.]
[ Think, You Can Do Better Then This... ]
..

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From: (RHF)

MWB - The Topic is SPAIN and ISLAM (or the Islam-O-Baddies)

Christianity and the Klan are NON-SEQUITUR [.]
http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/
Check-Out "Non-Sequitur" the Commic Strip :o)

And even Christianity has been used to incredibly racist ends.

MWB - NOT ON TOPIC [.]
[ Think, You Can Do Better Then This... ]
.
Remember, Klan meetings start with a prayer.

MWB - NOT ON TOPIC [.]
[ Think, You Can Do Better Then This... ]

No, he said Islam is inherently racist. I was simply pointing out that any
religion can be abused by racists. Klan meetings do, indeed, start with
prayers. Chrisitanity, for centuries, was used to justify non-democratic
governments. My point has not been refuted by you, RHF. It isn't Islam that is
bad, it's the way people choose to use it. Christianity, from a historical
perspective, provides plenty of examples of how it's been abused.


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ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message ...
From: (RHF)

So this is 'why' it is "Neccessary" to Kill ALL of the Enemy.

Dead Men Don't Fight [.]

So... We Can Have Peace :o)

So, earlier you suggest that all of Islam is responsible for the terrorists.

MWB - Yes First and Foremost Islam should clean-up its own house.
If Islam can NOT - Then the Targets of the Islam-O-Fascist have the
Right to Self-Defense: To protect themselves and Kill those who
would kill them. {NO Theology Required - Just Basic Human Nature.}
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Are you now suggesting that ALL of Islam is the Enermy and must DIE?

MWB - In A Word "NO"
{When I Suggest - I Will Use the Word Suggest ;-}
[ MWB - You Need Not Suggest For Me :]
BUT - If Islam would take care of the Islam-O-Fascist, there would
be fewer innocent individuals harmed. However, if the Targets of the
Islam-O-Fascist are 'forced-to-act' because Greater Islam will NOT
Act. Then the Death and Destruction will by its external nature,
result in the killing of more innocent individuals, this is the
sad truth about the nature of war. [ It Is The Will of ALLAH ! ]
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Shaking my head in sadness,

MWB - Stop Shaking Your Head - The Noise Level is up to "S10" +20dB :o)

As for the Sadness "MWB" That is Your Choice
Be Happy - Be Sad - [Be Blasé] = Just Be Yourself

For I Choose To Be 'me' "RHF" a Really Happy Fella :o)
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The Truth is that Saudi Arabia and the Wahhabis Sect of Islam are behind:
* The Islamic Bomb Project.
* Al Quida and the various Islam-O-Fascist Terrorist Groups.
MWB - The VOA will not tell you the Truth and the Facts.
Try listening to the John Batchelor Show on ABC Radio Network.
http://www.abcradio.com/index.cfm?ba...id=63&cpid=179
http://www.abcradio.com/index.cfm?ba...id=63&cpid=174
Originating from WABC 770 kHz AM Talk Radio
http://www.wabcradio.com/showdj.asp?DJID=9178


TTHE ISLAM-O-FASCIST AND THE WAHHABI SECT OF SAUDI ARABIA:

Today's Reality Is: The Arab Terrorist have Killed 3000+ Americans
in the USA. These American's were simply Innocent Civilians. NOTE:
The Killing of Non-Military Targets that are simply "Infidels" is
Justified In The Name of God - Allah! That is the Arab Terrorist
MindSet that is kindled in the youth by the Wahhabi Sect in Saudia
Arabia and their Schools and Mosques around the World.

This is the True Nature of the Wahhabi Sect of Islam that is being
Taught and Funded by the Saudis throughout the World. About 60%
of the Mosques in the USA have Saudi funded leaders. That is a
potential 500 or more Terrorist Cells of three to five sleepers
right here in the USA.

The Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia have a basic tenet (teaching) to their
followers of this Sect of Islam. To Declare a Land or Nation an
Islamic State 'subject' to Islamic Law. Once this occurs then it is
Always an Islamic State and it is the Duty of Every Muslim throughout
the World to Restore it to an Islamic State and to Cast-Out or Kill
the Infidels that may be occupying the land. This is Islamo-Fascism
plain and simple.

MWB - The BBC & DW will not tell you the Truth and the Facts.
Try listening to the John Batchelor Show on ABC Radio Network.
http://www.abcradio.com/index.cfm?ba...id=63&cpid=179
http://www.abcradio.com/index.cfm?ba...id=63&cpid=174
Originating from WABC 770 kHz AM Talk Radio
http://www.wabcradio.com/showdj.asp?DJID=9178

To the Wahhabis Sect (Saudi Arabia) the Nation of SPAIN is a Lost
Land that must be Reclaimed for Islam 'by force' if necessary.

Francis Fukuyama has said "the present conflict is not simply a fight
against terrorism, nor against Islam as a religion or civilization,
but rather with Islamo-fascism-the radically intolerant and
anti-modern doctrine" that has arisen in the Muslim world. "A strong
finger of blame points at Saudi Arabia," Fukuyama contends. "Wahhabi
ideology easily qualifies as Islamo-fascism: a textbook mandated for
use in Saudi 10th-grade classes explains that 'it is compulsory for
Muslims to be loyal to each other and to consider the Infidels their
enemies.'"

To read about the "Wahhabis Sect" of Islam in Saudi Arabia.
WAHHABIS= http://www.csis.org/burke/saudi21/saudi_alkhobar.pdf

The Shari'ah (Sacred Law) and the Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence)
LAW= http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/shar...roduction.html

ir... ~ RHF
= I Remain... RHF [.]

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