"Brian Denley" wrote in message
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N8KDV wrote:

Steve:
Yeah well don't hold your breath. I now have XM radio in my car and you
couldn't pry it away from me: 100 channels, no commercials and great
audio.
I think digital radio is here to stay. I'm just gonna have to figure out
how to get my R-388 to receive it.

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html



Which is the greater attraction? Better audio or more channels?

Frank Dresser

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"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"Brian Denley" wrote in message
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N8KDV wrote:

Steve:
Yeah well don't hold your breath. I now have XM radio in my car and you
couldn't pry it away from me: 100 channels, no commercials and great
audio.
I think digital radio is here to stay. I'm just gonna have to figure out
how to get my R-388 to receive it.

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html



Which is the greater attraction? Better audio or more channels?

For DRM it is control of content and who can hear it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
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Which is the greater attraction? Better audio or more channels?

For DRM it is control of content and who can hear it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

How would DRM control content any differently than standard SW broadcasting?

Frank Dresser

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"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Which is the greater attraction? Better audio or more channels?

For DRM it is control of content and who can hear it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

How would DRM control content any differently than standard SW broadcasting?

Who can hear the content can be determined by the encoding. People that
don't have the "code" will not be able to hear it. Codes could be built
into the radios so that they can only decipher some broadcasts similar
to DVD players today or pay radio streams on the Internet. Besides codes
built into the radios you might have to key in more codes to hear some
broadcasts or load in a deciphering program from computer to radio
similar to pay satellite TV.

Once the ability to control who can hear worldwide broadcasts is created
what would lead you to believe it will not be used?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Which is the greater attraction? Better audio or more channels?

For DRM it is control of content and who can hear it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

How would DRM control content any differently than standard SW broadcasting?

Who can hear the content can be determined by the encoding. People that
don't have the "code" will not be able to hear it. Codes could be built
into the radios so that they can only decipher some broadcasts similar
to DVD players today or pay radio streams on the Internet. Besides codes
built into the radios you might have to key in more codes to hear some
broadcasts or load in a deciphering program from computer to radio
similar to pay satellite TV.

Once the ability to control who can hear worldwide broadcasts is created
what would lead you to believe it will not be used?

Very good point Telamon.

Hey that's a good reason to get rid of Morse Code. Right? (ducks)

--
Brian Denley
http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html
"N8KDV" wrote in message
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Telamon wrote:

Once the ability to control who can hear worldwide broadcasts is created
what would lead you to believe it will not be used?

Very good point Telamon.

"Telamon" wrote in message
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Who can hear the content can be determined by the encoding. People that
don't have the "code" will not be able to hear it. Codes could be built
into the radios so that they can only decipher some broadcasts similar
to DVD players today or pay radio streams on the Internet. Besides codes
built into the radios you might have to key in more codes to hear some
broadcasts or load in a deciphering program from computer to radio
similar to pay satellite TV.


Which SW broadcaster would try to limit their audience? Certainly not the
propaganda stations. Not the evangalists. Not the conspiratorialists.

If you're suggesting that DRM might somehow be part of a pay radio scheme --
well, maybe. But who would actually pay for SW radio programming? Most of
us listen for the entertainment or the technical challenge. SW radio is
also a secondary news source. Anybody who'd charge for SW radio programming
should realize that's there's plenty of free entertainment, free technical
challenges and free secondary news sources.

Anyway, I sure wouldn't invest one cent in any proposal to try to make money
off pay SW radio broadcasting. I'd rather go to one of those firing ranges
that lets you shoot bowling pins with a Tommy gun. Not only would that be
much more entertaining, it would probably be just as lucrative!



Once the ability to control who can hear worldwide broadcasts is created
what would lead you to believe it will not be used?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Because I don't think that controlling the audience has anything with the
reason DRM is being developed. There isn't much of a SW audience as it is,
and I don't see how anyone would benefit by slicing it up into even smaller
parts.

I think DRM is attempt to broaden the appeal of SW radio. This presumed
miracle of digital modulation is supposed to bring high quality broadcast
sound right into the radios of people who wouldn't have the first clue on
what a sync detector or BFO is.

By the way, I don't want to give the impression that I'm pro-DRM. I think
the DRM scheme is foolish, but not evil.

Frank Dresser

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"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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Who can hear the content can be determined by the encoding. People that
don't have the "code" will not be able to hear it. Codes could be built
into the radios so that they can only decipher some broadcasts similar
to DVD players today or pay radio streams on the Internet. Besides codes
built into the radios you might have to key in more codes to hear some
broadcasts or load in a deciphering program from computer to radio
similar to pay satellite TV.


Which SW broadcaster would try to limit their audience? Certainly not the
propaganda stations. Not the evangalists. Not the conspiratorialists.

snip

Maybe the best thing for you to do is go stick your head back in the
sand where it will be more comfortable.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Frank Dresser" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
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Who can hear the content can be determined by the encoding. People
that
don't have the "code" will not be able to hear it. Codes could be
built
into the radios so that they can only decipher some broadcasts similar
to DVD players today or pay radio streams on the Internet. Besides
codes
built into the radios you might have to key in more codes to hear some
broadcasts or load in a deciphering program from computer to radio
similar to pay satellite TV.


Which SW broadcaster would try to limit their audience? Certainly not
the
propaganda stations. Not the evangalists. Not the conspiratorialists.

snip

Maybe the best thing for you to do is go stick your head back in the
sand where it will be more comfortable.

--
Telamon

OK, so tell me. Which broadcaster might require these special, additional
codes?

Would any SWL jump through the new proprietary DRM hoops? I wouldn't.
Would you? Would anyone you know?

You say DRM doesn't sound any better than standard SW broadcasting. If
true, DRM wouldn't present any additional benefit to either the broadcaster
or the listener. Why would a proprietary DRM system be better than the open
system?

Frank Dresser

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:17:35 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Who can hear the content can be determined by the encoding. People that
don't have the "code" will not be able to hear it. Codes could be built
into the radios so that they can only decipher some broadcasts similar
to DVD players today or pay radio streams on the Internet. Besides codes
built into the radios you might have to key in more codes to hear some
broadcasts or load in a deciphering program from computer to radio
similar to pay satellite TV.

But if you have a software defined radio with the various codes
available for a download, I'm sure there will be those who will make
the effort to receive it.

Once the ability to control who can hear worldwide broadcasts is created
what would lead you to believe it will not be used?

Maybe it will be used. Is that a bad thing? XM radio does it. We've
allowed it to happen for years as SCA channels of FM stereo
broadcasts. You say this as if it were the worst thing in the world.



Jake Brodsky, AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"