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April 10th 04, 11:20 PM
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... From: "Stinger" Lately, I've been reading this twit's postings and watching him claim that all conservatives are poorly-educated, gullible rednecks. That condescending, elitist snobbery in ill-thought post after post disgusts me. He's not worthy of my respect. I do not believe that all Republicans are poorly-educated gullible rednecks. To suggest that I have said that is clearly hyperbole. If that's what you're reading, Stinger, your own perception is skewing your interpretation. I do believe that you'll find far more poorly-educated gullible rednecks voting Republican than Democrat. That's not suggesting that I think the Republican party is solely reliant on that voting bloc. I should have been more clear... I was speaking to Leonard's remarks (not yours, Michael), which are included in my reply. Sorry for any misunderstanding! His moronic belief that all conservatives listen (and believe) every right-wing guy in front of a microphone is just plain stupid. His complete ignorance of demographics is astonishing, and his "we know what is best for you people" tone is contemptible. Wow. And Republicans don't preach "we know what is best for you people"? Abortion? Sex on TV? The imposition of democracy? Look in the mirror. What you hate about the "other" is what you ignore about yourself. You'll find many pro-choice conservatives, Michael. As for sex on TV (or "gasp" radio), you'll find that probably more of us think it's a problem, but an awful lot of us don't think it's worth trekking down the road to censorship. As for "the imposition of democracy," I'm unapologetically proud to be part of a group that would have that as an agenda. When will you socialists finally figure out that people instinctively yearn to be free? Actually, I very much support the idea of tenured professors in the (semi)-protected environment of academia. I do wish that they would keep some grip on the reality of the outside world by doing some activities outside academia, such as consulting. There is no teacher better than experience. Your point? Running a factory puts you more in touch with reality? Yeah. It also provides an interesting bias. So, I'm in the world of business, helping myself and others make a good living, and giving my employees a chance to better themselves, and that's a bias? The fact that you didn't even acknowledge your bias in academia speaks volumes here. We have to actually be productive and profitable to make money. However, my accusation against the teacher's unions in on-target and true. These organizations fight against testing teachers for ability, testing students for learned skills or achievement, and against rooting out which teachers are short-changing our children's education. Just as with any other union, their agenda is all about protecting jobs (for even the worst, as long as they have seniority) and getting more for themselves. The students' interests are not even in their equation. Look at the absolute horror that is being uncovered each and every day in the New Orleans municipal school system (in which the teachers unions have vigorously opposed any reforms). There are problems in inner-city schools. There are many ill-prepared teachers. But eliminating the few teachers that will volunteer to work in inner-city conditions is hardly going to resolve the situation. Disparities in district-to-district funding are resulting in teaching salaries in public schools that have simply driven most qualified teachers out of public education. I couldn't live on those salaries. Nor would I risk my life daily to teach in a situation where my life was literally threatened every single day. Driving the few remaining (and mainly minority) educators out of teaching with culturally-loaded certification tests is akin to only letting people into school if they happen to have a 120 IQ. So basically, you've found a politically-correct way of saying that we need to throw accountability away because these terrible teachers happen to be minorities, and their heart's in the right place. Bunk! A bad education is a LIFE SENTENCE to poverty. And "culturally-loaded" -- what a crock! We all have the same textbooks -- that's a lame excuse for failure. I'm willing to bet that you feel any unions are a threat to America. No unions in your plant, right? Unions had their place, and were a good thing years ago. However, they have long-since outlived their usefulness. I've worked at a union plant and a non-union plant in the same business. The workers at the non-union plant ran rings around the union plant in productivity -- and that produced more profit, which in turn, meant job security, raises, and bonuses for the workers. (And they didn't have to worry about some union thugs stealing from their retirement account, either!) They are in much better shape than their (in this case Teamster) union counterparts. As far as making any "asinine" claim that Democrats have a lock on the uneducated, that was not what my post said. If you re-read both Leonard's and my post, you'll see that I was refuting his conjecture that the Democrats had all of the educated voters. My assertion is that they have at least as many of the uneducated, and also that Democratic politicians have learned to pander to them. Yes, there are uneducated on many sides. I feel that you'll find more inner-city uneducated of all races on the side of the Democrats. I think you'll find far more rural uneducated southern whites voting Republican. Didn't you tell us that was how it was leaning down in Mississippi? I'm sorry you perceive this as so condescending, but try to not let your percetions provide all the color in your final interpretations. I think Republicans are legitimate humans, too. A little blinded by some very intelligent manipulators, but still basically good humans. I accept that you see it from a diametrically-opposed situations. The exact same paragraph can also be said for Democrats. Does that mean that you HAVE to sink to the despotic name-calling that you earlier were so opposed to? I didn't do anything but respond in kind to the tone of that post. As you well know, I would much rather take the high road. If so, I understand. Good! Now, we're getting somewhere, Michael! -- Stinger Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL Louisville, KY R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K, DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A GE SRll, Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76 (remove "nojunk" to reply) |
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