UJ wrote:


It makes perfect sense to call Democrats socialists.There is a group
in the US Congress called the Progressive Caucus.Here is a list of
their 54 members, overwhelmingly if not entirely comprised of
Democrats:
http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp .
Presidential candidate and Progressive Caucus Co-Chair Dennis Kucinich
is at the top of the list.
So what, you ask? Well, the Progressive Caucus has close ties to the
Democratic Socialists Of America http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html .
As far as I know, there is no organization called the Republican Nazis
Of America, so your Democrat/Socialist = Republican/Nazi comparison is
way off target.
MB

This is a ridiculous argument, and I assume it's at least partly a joke.
The "Democratic" in DSA of course has nothing to do with the Democratic
Party, but is an adjective to distinguish the DSA from the various
anti-democratic (i.e. pro-Soviet) socialist parties that have been
around. The link you provide is that of Bernie Sanders, who as you
doubtless know, is not a Democrat.

By the way, you used "comprised" incorrectly.

Telamon wrote:


They are defiantly anti capitalistic and are communist. Don't worry
about Franken or what he says worry about what the people supporting
this effort want.

I want to find out who these "wealthy individuals" are. I'll bet they
are communists.

Air America Radio web site:
http://www.airamericaradio.com/


It's childish to tar people with whom you disagree with nasty labels. Do
you really think these people are communists? Do you know what
a communist is? This is just as stupid as calling William Buckley or
Rush Limbaugh fascists.

There are people of both the left and the right who believe in
democracy and capitalism. If you are going to disagree with someone's
position, attack the position, don't just call names.

In article ,
Telamon writes:


I want to find out who these "wealthy individuals" are. I'll bet they
are communists.

- I love the idea of "wealthy Communists"; Marching on may day,
Followed by a Black Limosine ;

Diverd4777 wrote:

In article ,
Telamon writes:


I want to find out who these "wealthy individuals" are. I'll bet they
are communists.

- I love the idea of "wealthy Communists"; Marching on may day,
Followed by a Black Limosine ;

Somehow I get the picture of a Randy Newman song...

Bill O'reilly pays KABC $500,000 a year for his air time.

Sean Hannity is #15 in New York.

They too are being subsidized.

The Washington Times has lost over a billion dollars. Yet it
continues to publish. Is this the ''free market'' at work.

Let's not get all high and mighty here. Giant corporations fill the
airwaves with simple-minded extreme right-wing broadcasters in order
to keep their favorite whores in office.

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:58:02 -0500, "T. Early"
wrote:


"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: (UJ)

In a genuinely competetive free market situation, this new liberal
network wouldn't last more than a few weeks. However, I suspect
that
it is being backed financially by some deep pocketed extremists who
have a socialist agenda that is more important to them than
financial
profits.

Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am over this nonsense. Rich
socialists
throwing away their money??

Maybe it is possible that wealthy capitlaists and Americans are
tired of the
hate being spread daily on the AM frequencies by the right. I'll try
to keep
from labeling them as Nazis, but that makes as much sense as calling
Democrats
socialists.



Yet further devaluation of the word "hate." I'm wondering at what
point this term became co-opted as a an all-purpose slur on those with
whom the left disagrees. Given the invectives hurled at Bush on a
daily basis from that side of the spectrum, it's particularly ironic.

The first poster's comments are not that far-fetched. Airamerica is
being bankrolled--the buying of stations and/or air time without
regard to market demand--by wealthy liberals--although I doubt they
qualify as socialists. I don't have a problem with that, but let's
not confuse this, at least not yet, with the marketplace at work. Of
course a lot of people would have trouble admitting that those dang
ol' rich conservatives aren't the only people in this country who use
their dollars to influence opinion.

Thanks for this thread, guys.

I've been meaning to try the scoring system and kill filter in my
newsreader.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll retire to listen to my anti-capitalist
bankrolled, socialist radio along with all my communist friends, while I
dream of taking everything away from "conservatives"/Republicans and
giving it to other people, just like Jesus the Socialist. I better
listen while I can because, you know, the station will fail soon because
all those ads by advertisers like Crest and Campbells can't be real, or
anything, or help support the station even a little bit.

Funny. I stumbled in here with the best intentions of discussing short
wave radio. I apologize for my obvious error and hope I've caused no
offense.

N8KDV wrote in
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Michael Bryant wrote:

From: N8KDV

I'm sure you'll offer us a creative definition of not being
retired.

Creative? Nothing creative about it! I'm not retired Fat Boy! I'm
just not currently working!

If I was retired I'd certainly be expecting a pension check! Or
Social Security! I
get none of that!

So, you WERE lying when you ridiculed me for calling you unemployed?

Perhaps at that time I was actually employed! You go dig up the post!

I'm sorry, I didn't understand.

That's becoming evident Fat Boy!

Sounds like the incoming funds may be lower
than what your used to. I now understand why you seem so grouchy. I
certainly hope you haven't had anymore problems with you house's
heater, like you mentioned before...

Oh no, that has indeed been fixed!

Sorry, Steve.

Ne need to be sorry for me Fat Boy! I'm doing just fine!

It's you we're all worried about!

On 04 Apr 2004 14:22:57 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote:

In article ,
Telamon writes:


I want to find out who these "wealthy individuals" are. I'll bet they
are communists.

- I love the idea of "wealthy Communists"; Marching on may day,
Followed by a Black Limosine ;


Ed Asner is wealthy and freely admits to being a Communist

Llgpt wrote:
snip

No liberal ever failed you asshole, I can read write and spell correctly. It
was living in New York that failed you with the spics and coons.
snip

Perhaps you could start a "Racists for Kerry" group.

MWB - Nicely Presented ~ RHF
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= = = ocom (Michael Bryant) wrote in message
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From: N8KDV

Sorry, there is no contemporary record that shows that that particular
'Jesus'
actually lived.

Is there any historical proof that Jesus existed?

The ancient historical record provides examples of writers, philosophers and
historians who lived during or not long after the time Jesus is believed to
have lived and who testify to the fact that he was a real person. We will look
at what some of these people have said.

Cornelius Tacitus

Tacitus lived from A.D. 55 to A.D. 120. He was a Roman historian and has been
described as the greatest historian of Rome, noted for his integrity and moral
uprightness. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. The Annals
relate the historical narrative from Augustus’ death in A.D.14 to Nero’s
death in A.D. 68. The Histories begin their narrative after Nero’s death and
finish with Domitian’s death in A.D. 96. In his section describing Nero’s
decision to blame the fire of Rome on the Christians, Tacitus affirms that the
founder of Christianity, a man he calls Chrestus (a common misspelling of
Christ, which was Jesus’ surname), was executed by Pilate, the procurator of
Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to
Christianity because in the same paragraph he describes Christus’ or
Christ’s death, he describes Christianity as a pernicious superstition. It
would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never
existed, but he did not, and perhaps he did not because he could not without
betraying the historical record.

Lucian of Samosata

Lucian was a Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. He
therefore lived within two hundred years of Jesus. Lucian was hostile to
Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that
Christians worshipped a man. He does not mention Jesus’ name, but the
reference to the man Christians worship is a reference to Jesus.

Suetonius

Suetonius was a Roman historian and a court official in Emperor Hadrian’s
government. In his Life of Claudius he refers to Claudius expelling Jews from
Rome on account of their activities on behalf of a man Suetonius calls Chrestus
[another misspelling of Christus or Christ].

Pliny the Younger

Pliny was the Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor (AD. 112). He was responsible
for executing Christians for not worshipping or bowing down to a statue of the
emperor Trajan. In a letter to the emperor Trajan, he describes how the people
on trial for being Christians would describe how they sang songs to Christ
because he was a god.

Thallus and Phlegon

Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went
dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when
Jesus died.

Mara Bar-Serapion

Some time after 70 A.D., Mara Bar-Sarapion, who was probably a Stoic
philosopher, wrote a letter to his son in which he describes how the Jews
executed their King. Claiming to be a king was one of the charges the religious
authorities used to scare Pontius Pilate into agreeing to execute Jesus.

Josephus

Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died
some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous
passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him
the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually
rose from the dead!

The four Gospels

The four Gospels are the four accounts of Jesus’ life, which are contained in
the New Testament part of the Bible. Historians will tell you that the closer
an historical document is written to the time of the events it describes, the
generally more reliable it is as a source of information about those events.
Matthew’s Gospel account of Jesus’ life is now reckoned to have been
written sometime between AD 70 and AD 80. Mark’s Gospel is dated between AD.
50 and AD. 65. Luke’s Gospel is dated in the early AD 60s and John’s Gospel
sometime between AD 80 and 100. If Jesus died sometime in the AD 30s, it is
clear that Mark, Luke and Matthew wrote their Gospels within living memory of
Jesus’ death. John’s Gospel comes later and probably outside of living
memory for most as John lived to an unusually old age for the ancient period,
but the accuracy of his Gospel was verified no doubt by those who read the
earlier Gospels.

Another feature of the Gospels is that they were written by men who either knew
Jesus personally, or who knew people who themselves knew Jesus personally.
Matthew was a former tax collector who became a disciple of Jesus. Mark was a
close associate of Simon Peter, who is regarded as being Jesus’ most
prominent disciple whilst Jesus was on the earth. Luke was a close associate of
Paul who is the most famous of Christian missionaries and who wrote the largest
contribution to the New Testament. Paul, in turn, was a close colleague of
Simon Peter. John was the former fisherman who became the closest disciple of
Jesus. The accounts of such men need to be considered at least seriously!

Steve, open your eyes!

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
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I'll omit the posting to which RHF is responding. All
of the sources, except for the Gospels, cited in that
post are already hearsay reports, or merely refer to the
beliefs of the Christians. Josephus to take just one
example, "affirms" that Jesus rose from the dead, but he
wasn't even born when the event he "affirms" occurred.

I'm not taking a position on whether there was a real
Jesus, but the citations in MWB's post certainly don't
constitute independent evidence of anything.


RHF wrote:
MWB - Nicely Presented ~ RHF
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