In article ,
Larry Ozarow wrote:

Telamon wrote:


I said they could be. It's obvious that this is an election
destabilizing tacit.


An attempt to defeat the incumbent is not a "destabilizing tactic."
It is what the rules call for every four years. More often in the
House and less in the Senate.

It's a destabilizing tactic to not play by the election rules through
deceit and subterfuge.

My parents are Democrats and I like them. I don't know if I would
like the Democrats you know.


Oooh. that was nasty.

What do you mean nasty? I don't know who you are talking about so how
am I supposed to know if I would like the people you know. I have
Democrats for friends and family big deal. You would not be trying to
portray me as an isolated narrow minded thinker that does not tolerate
other points of view would you. No you wouldn't try that. A nice touchy
feely Liberal / Democrat like yourself would respect my point of view
and not try to demonize me right? That would be a dirty tactic to
marginalize what I had so say.

I don't like nasty such as a "mean streak a smile wide." The thought of
being that way actually makes me sick.

Communists or Democratic party dirty tricks, take your pick.

First of all, I don't really think the two are equivalent, do you?
Are you saying that Democrats are as bad as Communists? Your parents
for God's sake? Or is this some sort of kettle logic all-purpose
denunciation of the network because it disagrees with what you
believe? I'll stand by my contention that Liberal Democrats have a
right to air our opinions. And that's the next turn in your position,
by the way; now it's the Democratic party, and not just shadowy
forces? Oh goody, if Ashcroft can get the goods on them we can shut
the whole evil enterprise down and get down to some serious one-party
democracy.

Ashcroft is not the all purpose bad guy you and others on the left try
without success to make him out to be.

The Federal elections commission should go after Air America.

The most left of the Democrats are Communists but not all of them are.
Some are moderate and some are more to the right than some of the
Republicans. Either party is comprised of a range of people.

So which ones are backing Air America; the most left Democrats or the
Communists?


I fear that talk radio will go back to what is was when I was
teenager. Just this morning I awoke to the soothing tones of a
voice from NPR telling me that we all know the world is two
complicated a place to be looked at as black and white but shades
of gray. Not a good way start to the day.

Because the liberals might take over, and drive the right-wingers off
the air?

Yeah, I'm for choice remember.

It was during the Clinton Soviet that it prospered. Have no fear,
comrade. You're the one who's opposed to vigorous debate over the
air. None of the Democrats I know, whether you would like them or
not, are interested in silencing Conservative talk radio. It's too
easy an enemy.

No I'm for debate. I'm for having the backers of Air America to come out
of the closet and declare their intentions. I'm for Walsh when he was
telling the truth and Franken if he still is.

You on the other hand are stuck looking for a fight with someone that
does not share your view of the world and forgiving the transgressions
of the people who do.

I posit that you are of narrower mind than I am. Nice try though.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon wrote:


It's a destabilizing tactic to not play by the election rules through
deceit and subterfuge.



Both sides violate the rules. Fox news and various right-wing talk
radio personalities electioneer just as blatantly as AA does. The
term "destabilizing" connotes more than just bending the rules, more
like a basic attack on the system itself.



What do you mean nasty? I don't know who you are talking about so how
am I supposed to know if I would like the people you know. I have
Democrats for friends and family big deal. You would not be trying to
portray me as an isolated narrow minded thinker that does not tolerate
other points of view would you. No you wouldn't try that. A nice touchy
feely Liberal / Democrat like yourself would respect my point of view
and not try to demonize me right? That would be a dirty tactic to
marginalize what I had so say.


Your statement that you don't know if you would like any of the
Democrats I know was gratuitous in its context, and therefore I
inferred that it was intended as a nasty remark. My apologies if
this was not the case.



Communists or Democratic party dirty tricks, take your pick.

First of all, I don't really think the two are equivalent, do you?
Are you saying that Democrats are as bad as Communists? Your parents
for God's sake? Or is this some sort of kettle logic all-purpose
denunciation of the network because it disagrees with what you
believe? I'll stand by my contention that Liberal Democrats have a
right to air our opinions. And that's the next turn in your position,
by the way; now it's the Democratic party, and not just shadowy
forces? Oh goody, if Ashcroft can get the goods on them we can shut
the whole evil enterprise down and get down to some serious one-party
democracy.


Ashcroft is not the all purpose bad guy you and others on the left try
without success to make him out to be.


I only mentioned Ashcroft because he is the Attorney General and it
would be his job to prosecute them if they were in violation of the
election laws.


The Federal elections commission should go after Air America.

The most left of the Democrats are Communists but not all of them are.
Some are moderate and some are more to the right than some of the
Republicans. Either party is comprised of a range of people.

So which ones are backing Air America; the most left Democrats or the
Communists?


You earlier provided a list of Socialists in the Democratic party. Could
you do the same for Communists? Could you provide at least some basis
for your belief that Communists are behind AA? If you are calling for
an investigation, the least you should do is provide at least some
reason for your suspicions (i.e. probable cause) other than than that
they are clearly anti-Bush.


No I'm for debate. I'm for having the backers of Air America to come out
of the closet and declare their intentions. I'm for Walsh when he was
telling the truth and Franken if he still is.

You on the other hand are stuck looking for a fight with someone that
does not share your view of the world and forgiving the transgressions
of the people who do.

I posit that you are of narrower mind than I am. Nice try though.

Telamon, you forgot that you were the one who started this exchange
by accusing the backers of AA of being Communists. I've never called
for investigating the backers of Sean Hannity or the Murdoch family
or the Weekly Standard or any other right-wing outlet, to uncover their
"real" motives. Why can't you just accept that the real motives of the
poeple behind AA are to provide an outlet for liberal talk radio, and
implicit in this would be support of Democratic candidates, and that
that is the way our system works? Calling liberals "Communists" or
crypto-communists, or accusing them of having their heads in the sand
if they aren't is hardly a sign of open-mindedness, or the trademark
of someone who's not spoiling for a fight.

Larry

In article ,
Larry Ozarow wrote:

Telamon wrote:


It's a destabilizing tactic to not play by the election rules through
deceit and subterfuge.



Both sides violate the rules. Fox news and various right-wing talk
radio personalities electioneer just as blatantly as AA does. The
term "destabilizing" connotes more than just bending the rules, more
like a basic attack on the system itself.

No they are not. They are viable media enterprises. They are out in the
open. Fox was not started up to throw the election but Air America was
according to Walsh and Franken.


What do you mean nasty? I don't know who you are talking about so how
am I supposed to know if I would like the people you know. I have
Democrats for friends and family big deal. You would not be trying to
portray me as an isolated narrow minded thinker that does not tolerate
other points of view would you. No you wouldn't try that. A nice touchy
feely Liberal / Democrat like yourself would respect my point of view
and not try to demonize me right? That would be a dirty tactic to
marginalize what I had so say.


Your statement that you don't know if you would like any of the
Democrats I know was gratuitous in its context, and therefore I
inferred that it was intended as a nasty remark. My apologies if
this was not the case.



Communists or Democratic party dirty tricks, take your pick.

First of all, I don't really think the two are equivalent, do you?
Are you saying that Democrats are as bad as Communists? Your parents
for God's sake? Or is this some sort of kettle logic all-purpose
denunciation of the network because it disagrees with what you
believe? I'll stand by my contention that Liberal Democrats have a
right to air our opinions. And that's the next turn in your position,
by the way; now it's the Democratic party, and not just shadowy
forces? Oh goody, if Ashcroft can get the goods on them we can shut
the whole evil enterprise down and get down to some serious one-party
democracy.


Ashcroft is not the all purpose bad guy you and others on the left try
without success to make him out to be.


I only mentioned Ashcroft because he is the Attorney General and it
would be his job to prosecute them if they were in violation of the
election laws.


The Federal elections commission should go after Air America.

The most left of the Democrats are Communists but not all of them are.
Some are moderate and some are more to the right than some of the
Republicans. Either party is comprised of a range of people.

So which ones are backing Air America; the most left Democrats or the
Communists?


You earlier provided a list of Socialists in the Democratic party. Could
you do the same for Communists? Could you provide at least some basis
for your belief that Communists are behind AA? If you are calling for
an investigation, the least you should do is provide at least some
reason for your suspicions (i.e. probable cause) other than than that
they are clearly anti-Bush.


No I'm for debate. I'm for having the backers of Air America to come out
of the closet and declare their intentions. I'm for Walsh when he was
telling the truth and Franken if he still is.

You on the other hand are stuck looking for a fight with someone that
does not share your view of the world and forgiving the transgressions
of the people who do.

I posit that you are of narrower mind than I am. Nice try though.

Telamon, you forgot that you were the one who started this exchange
by accusing the backers of AA of being Communists. I've never called
for investigating the backers of Sean Hannity or the Murdoch family
or the Weekly Standard or any other right-wing outlet, to uncover their
"real" motives. Why can't you just accept that the real motives of the
poeple behind AA are to provide an outlet for liberal talk radio, and
implicit in this would be support of Democratic candidates, and that
that is the way our system works? Calling liberals "Communists" or
crypto-communists, or accusing them of having their heads in the sand
if they aren't is hardly a sign of open-mindedness, or the trademark
of someone who's not spoiling for a fight.

Sean Hannity is a conservative who criticizes the Republicans and
Democrats alike when they exhibit liberal policies. That will not happen
with Air America. The backer of Hannity is free enterprise not some
wealthy conservatives with deep pockets.

I've don't read the Weekly Standard so I can't comment on it.

I know who Hannity is and his bias. My problem with Air America is they
won't do the same. I'll accept the motives of Air America if they don't
fold up shortly after the election and not before.

Why can't you just accept that some group of wealthy liberal, communist
or extreme left Democrats who can't legally spend their money on
negative campaign TV and radio commercials this year start up a network
instead in an attempt to utilize large quantities of soft money in an
anti Bush campaign.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article
,
Telamon wrote:

In article ,
Larry Ozarow wrote:

Telamon wrote:


It's a destabilizing tactic to not play by the election rules through
deceit and subterfuge.



Both sides violate the rules. Fox news and various right-wing talk
radio personalities electioneer just as blatantly as AA does. The
term "destabilizing" connotes more than just bending the rules, more
like a basic attack on the system itself.

No they are not. They are viable media enterprises. They are out in the
open. Fox was not started up to throw the election but Air America was
according to Walsh and Franken.


What do you mean nasty? I don't know who you are talking about so how
am I supposed to know if I would like the people you know. I have
Democrats for friends and family big deal. You would not be trying to
portray me as an isolated narrow minded thinker that does not tolerate
other points of view would you. No you wouldn't try that. A nice touchy
feely Liberal / Democrat like yourself would respect my point of view
and not try to demonize me right? That would be a dirty tactic to
marginalize what I had so say.


Your statement that you don't know if you would like any of the
Democrats I know was gratuitous in its context, and therefore I
inferred that it was intended as a nasty remark. My apologies if
this was not the case.



Communists or Democratic party dirty tricks, take your pick.

First of all, I don't really think the two are equivalent, do you?
Are you saying that Democrats are as bad as Communists? Your parents
for God's sake? Or is this some sort of kettle logic all-purpose
denunciation of the network because it disagrees with what you
believe? I'll stand by my contention that Liberal Democrats have a
right to air our opinions. And that's the next turn in your position,
by the way; now it's the Democratic party, and not just shadowy
forces? Oh goody, if Ashcroft can get the goods on them we can shut
the whole evil enterprise down and get down to some serious one-party
democracy.


Ashcroft is not the all purpose bad guy you and others on the left try
without success to make him out to be.


I only mentioned Ashcroft because he is the Attorney General and it
would be his job to prosecute them if they were in violation of the
election laws.


The Federal elections commission should go after Air America.

The most left of the Democrats are Communists but not all of them are.
Some are moderate and some are more to the right than some of the
Republicans. Either party is comprised of a range of people.

So which ones are backing Air America; the most left Democrats or the
Communists?


You earlier provided a list of Socialists in the Democratic party. Could
you do the same for Communists? Could you provide at least some basis
for your belief that Communists are behind AA? If you are calling for
an investigation, the least you should do is provide at least some
reason for your suspicions (i.e. probable cause) other than than that
they are clearly anti-Bush.


No I'm for debate. I'm for having the backers of Air America to come out
of the closet and declare their intentions. I'm for Walsh when he was
telling the truth and Franken if he still is.

You on the other hand are stuck looking for a fight with someone that
does not share your view of the world and forgiving the transgressions
of the people who do.

I posit that you are of narrower mind than I am. Nice try though.

Telamon, you forgot that you were the one who started this exchange
by accusing the backers of AA of being Communists. I've never called
for investigating the backers of Sean Hannity or the Murdoch family
or the Weekly Standard or any other right-wing outlet, to uncover their
"real" motives. Why can't you just accept that the real motives of the
poeple behind AA are to provide an outlet for liberal talk radio, and
implicit in this would be support of Democratic candidates, and that
that is the way our system works? Calling liberals "Communists" or
crypto-communists, or accusing them of having their heads in the sand
if they aren't is hardly a sign of open-mindedness, or the trademark
of someone who's not spoiling for a fight.

Sean Hannity is a conservative who criticizes the Republicans and
Democrats alike when they exhibit liberal policies. That will not happen
with Air America. The backer of Hannity is free enterprise not some
wealthy conservatives with deep pockets.

I've don't read the Weekly Standard so I can't comment on it.

I know who Hannity is and his bias. My problem with Air America is they
won't do the same. I'll accept the motives of Air America if they don't
fold up shortly after the election and not before.

Why can't you just accept that some group of wealthy liberal, communist
or extreme left Democrats who can't legally spend their money on
negative campaign TV and radio commercials this year start up a network
instead in an attempt to utilize large quantities of soft money in an
anti Bush campaign.

My thanks to them, if that's the case!

Leonard

--
"Everything that rises must converge"
--Flannery O'Connor