Not just Islam. The Irish (of all people) had copied nearly everything they
could get their hands on from the Romans, from whom they learned to write.
Much of this information was saved in monasteries and, when bought back out
hundreds of years later, helped jump start civilization out of those dark
ages and into the renaissance. Kenneth Clark gives in his excellent
"Civilisation' a decription of how western knowlege and civilization hung by
a thread and was almost lost if not for the Irish.

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"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote in message
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"m II" wrote in message
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Mark S. Holden wrote:

This is a hoax.

See

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_spielberg_crusades.htm

A movie like that would be REALLY detrimental to a certain GW Bush and
gang. Bush already called his invasion a Crusade. What a maroon.



The Crusades, like the Inquistion, were among the darkest, most evil times
in all of Christendom, and were directly responsible for the Dark Ages. It
seems strange to me that before the Crusades, nearly all human knowledge
was
concentrated in libraries built and maintained by Islam.. and Islam was
the
far more civilised and forward-thinking... gotta wonder what happened..
maybe they are still REALLY ****ed about it??

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote in message
...

"m II" wrote in message
news:emncc.6657$Sh4.6610@edtnps84...
Mark S. Holden wrote:

This is a hoax.

See


http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_spielberg_crusades.htm

A movie like that would be REALLY detrimental to a certain GW Bush
and
gang. Bush already called his invasion a Crusade. What a maroon.



The Crusades, like the Inquistion, were among the darkest, most evil
times
in all of Christendom, and were directly responsible for the Dark
Ages. It
seems strange to me that before the Crusades, nearly all human
knowledge was
concentrated in libraries built and maintained by Islam.. and Islam
was the
far more civilised and forward-thinking... gotta wonder what
happened..
maybe they are still REALLY ****ed about it??

Sorry BA, this is inaccurate. I'm not sure about the libraries part,
but the "Dark Ages" preceded the Crusades, and there were certain
positive cultural results from the Crusades (trade, written history).

"m II" wrote in message
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Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:

The Crusades, like the Inquistion, were among the darkest, most
evil times
in all of Christendom, and were directly responsible for the Dark
Ages. It
seems strange to me that before the Crusades, nearly all human
knowledge was
concentrated in libraries built and maintained by Islam.. and
Islam was the
far more civilised and forward-thinking... gotta wonder what
happened..
maybe they are still REALLY ****ed about it??


I would think so. During the third crusade, Richard beheaded over
two
thousand prisoners. The Christian invaders developed a reputation
for
being lying *******s.

In one the last Crusades, the would be heroes didn't have many
resources, so they raided Constantinople instead. What a farce.



Just for the record--and not that it reflects on any of your other
statements--that was the Fourth Crusade. I believe there were at
least eight, and it didn't have anything to do with lack of resources.
Reserve your scorn for situations that we can understand today.

Brian Denley wrote:

Not just Islam. The Irish (of all people) had copied nearly everything they
could get their hands on from the Romans, from whom they learned to write.
Much of this information was saved in monasteries and, when bought back out
hundreds of years later, helped jump start civilization out of those dark
ages and into the renaissance. Kenneth Clark gives in his excellent
"Civilisation' a decription of how western knowlege and civilization hung by
a thread and was almost lost if not for the Irish.


I don't think they had the plagues in Ireland either. That helped a lot.
This is a good book concerning Ireland and saving of knowledge.



http://www.centuryone.com/1849-3.html



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T. Early wrote:

Sorry BA, this is inaccurate. I'm not sure about the libraries part,
but the "Dark Ages" preceded the Crusades, and there were certain
positive cultural results from the Crusades (trade, written history).

A lot of people consider the Renaissance to be the end of the dark ages.
That was around the time Columbus set sail. The time between the
collapse of the Roman Empire (400 AD roughly?) to 1500 is the likely
range for the 'dark ages'



mike



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..let the cat out to reply..

A lot of people consider the Renaissance to be the end of the dark ages.
That was around the time Columbus set sail. The time between the
collapse of the Roman Empire (400 AD roughly?) to 1500 is the likely
range for the 'dark ages'

Nobody, except you, considers the Renaissance to be the end of the dark
ages. Please stop cross-posting this inane (and inaccurate) crap to
neworleans.general. Nobody here cares.

No, don't bother to respond, I've just kill-filed you along with the
other cross-posting spammers.

metonymy wrote:

A lot of people consider the Renaissance to be the end of the dark
ages. That was around the time Columbus set sail. The time between
the collapse of the Roman Empire (400 AD roughly?) to 1500 is the
likely range for the 'dark ages'


Nobody, except you, considers the Renaissance to be the end of the dark
ages. Please stop cross-posting this inane (and inaccurate) crap to
neworleans.general. Nobody here cares.

No, don't bother to respond, I've just kill-filed you along with the
other cross-posting spammers.


Looks like I shoved the middle ages into the catagory. A reference I
looked at said the dark ages were roughly from 400 to 800 AD. The brain
is rotting. The MIDDLE ages ended around 1500.




mike

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:00:40 GMT, m II
wrote:

The brain
is rotting.




mike

We figured that out when you first started posting here!

You Maroon!

Look I can spell like you.

Tracy

In article ,
Dave wrote:

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:28:34 -0400, T. Early wrote:

"m II" wrote in message
news:cuocc.3314$mn3.368@clgrps13...
Brenda Ann Dyer wrote:

The Crusades, like the Inquistion, were among the darkest, most
evil times
in all of Christendom, and were directly responsible for the Dark
Ages. It
seems strange to me that before the Crusades, nearly all human
knowledge was
concentrated in libraries built and maintained by Islam.. and
Islam was the
far more civilised and forward-thinking... gotta wonder what
happened..
maybe they are still REALLY ****ed about it??


I would think so. During the third crusade, Richard beheaded over
two
thousand prisoners. The Christian invaders developed a reputation
for
being lying *******s.

In one the last Crusades, the would be heroes didn't have many
resources, so they raided Constantinople instead. What a farce.



Just for the record--and not that it reflects on any of your other
statements--that was the Fourth Crusade. I believe there were at
least eight, and it didn't have anything to do with lack of resources.
Reserve your scorn for situations that we can understand today.

Christianity long ago left the 14th century behind. Islam never did.

So why did you start this OT thread and include neworleans.general where
is is OT also? Just curious.

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Telamon
Ventura, California