Air America off air in Chicago and Los Angeles
 

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the first month.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
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Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and Los
Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the
first month.

So that's it. I thought maybe the Air America folk decided that they were
getting too repetitious, so they decided to bash Bush and the Republicans in
Spanish, for a change of pace.

Frank Dresser

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the first month.

Right on the front page:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

"N8KDV" wrote in message
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"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago
and Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through
the first month.

Right on the front page:

http://www.drudgereport.com/


I don't get this. I figured the one thing these folks had was deep
pockets. Maybe Franken should step up to the plate and write a check
with some of his profits from the "Stuart" movie.

N8KDV wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the first month.

Right on the front page:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Rush seemed to mention that both the stations were 1000 watt 'blowtorches'.

- VERY strange;

To me
reminiscent of the Watergate Burglars showing up in court &
& being bailed out by lawyers.
- When they Hadn't even made a Phone Call...

- Who is Multicultural radio; / Media ??


In article , "Mark S. Holden"
writes:


Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and Los
Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the first
month.

In article , "T. Early"
writes:


"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago
and Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through
the first month.

Right on the front page:

http://www.drudgereport.com/


I don't get this. I figured the one thing these folks had was deep
pockets. Maybe Franken should step up to the plate and write a check
with some of his profits from the "Stuart" movie.



- ALSO on the drudge report.. (takin the fun outa havin fun...)


http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...30002804536&dt
=20040414134300&w=RTR&coview=

SNIP


Dieter Meyerhoff of UCSF and colleagues examined 46 chronic, heavy drinkers and
52 light drinkers recruited

using newspaper ads and flyers.


They used magnetic resonance imaging to look at physical brain structures and
also measured various brain

chemicals associated with healthy brain function.


Standard tests of verbal intelligence, processing speed, balance, working
memory, spatial function,

executive function, and learning and memory were given to the volunteers.


"Our heavy drinkers sample was significantly impaired on measures of working
memory, processing speed,

attention, executive function, and balance," the researchers wrote.


Measures of brain chemicals and structures showed some of the same damage seen
in alcoholics who are in the

hospital or treatment centers, they said.


The study is unusual in that most studies of brain damage from alcohol are done
in people who have undergone

treatment.


"What our findings indicate is that brain damage is detectable in heavy
drinkers who are not in treatment

and function relatively well in the community," Meyerhoff said in a statement.


Meyerhoff said the study showed evidence of brain impairment, even if the
drinkers cannot see it themselves.


"Our message is: Drink in moderation. Heavy drinking damages your brain ever so
slightly, reducing your

cognitive functioning in ways that may not be readily noticeable. To be safe,
don't overdo it."

Diverd4777 wrote:

- VERY strange;

To me
reminiscent of the Watergate Burglars showing up in court &
& being bailed out by lawyers.
- When they Hadn't even made a Phone Call...

- Who is Multicultural radio; / Media ??

It's Multicultural Radio Broadcasting... they own the station in Chicago.

"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
- VERY strange;

To me
reminiscent of the Watergate Burglars showing up in court &
& being bailed out by lawyers.
- When they Hadn't even made a Phone Call...

- Who is Multicultural radio; / Media ??

-- Apparently, a business that doesn't put up with deadbeats.

-- Stinger

Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in :

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and
Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

According to Air America, Arthur Liu (the radio station owner) is a lying
sleazebag.

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=7&id=4851

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the
first month.

Hard to believe, too. And I don't believe it.

We'll see soon whom a judge believes.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0414043air1.html

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in
:

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago
and
Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

According to Air America, Arthur Liu (the radio station owner) is a
lying
sleazebag.

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=7&id=4851


Is this link supposed to support the "lying sleazebag" comment? All I
see is a post by someone named "Nick." who's appears to have no clue
what a "neocon" is but supplies no other info. Am I in the wrong
place?

Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in :

Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and
Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

According to Air America, Arthur Liu (the radio station owner) is a lying
sleazebag.

That's what all the tenants say when the landlord shows up!

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

Hard to believe, too. And I don't believe it.

We'll see soon whom a judge believes.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0414043air1.html

One of the posters on the chi.general board says he was listening on the
internet feed, and Air America has some sort of advertising beef with the LA
station. Air America put a stop on the LA check. The station owner
retaliated by pulling the plug on the LA and Chicago broadcast.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

Hard to believe, too. And I don't believe it.

We'll see soon whom a judge believes.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0414043air1.html

One of the posters on the chi.general board says he was listening on the
internet feed, and Air America has some sort of advertising beef with the LA
station. Air America put a stop on the LA check. The station owner
retaliated by pulling the plug on the LA and Chicago broadcast.

When you don't pay, you don't get to play radio.

And that is exactly what the Air America folks are doing!

Playing radio... it's almost as funny as watching my puppet Mikey dance!

Quoth "T. Early" in
:

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

According to Air America, Arthur Liu (the radio station owner) is a
lying sleazebag.

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=7&id=4851


Is this link supposed to support the "lying sleazebag" comment?

It's been updated, and is now he

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?sectionid=7&id=4854

Who knows where it will be by the time you get there!

Air America's court filing is he

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0414043air1.html

Interestingly, it turns out that besides being a sleazebag, (based on
political donations documented at FECINFO.COM) Arthur Liu is also a
republican.




--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
| Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago and Los
Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.
|
| Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through the
first month.

Just as the Pinkoes don't keep their word, they don't
pay their debts as well.

No big surprise, actually.

73,

Steve Lawrence
KA0PMD
Burnsville, MN


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Drudge is reporting Air America was pulled off the air in Chicago
and Los Angeles today because their payment for air time bounced.

Hard to imagine they'd start up without enough cash to get through
the first month.

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MSH,

Its only fair and balanced that since 'conservative talk radio'
makes so much money for the Broadcasting Industry.

Therefore 'liberal talk radio' should by it's opposite and
opposed nature be a money loser.

Why - The very Truth and Justness of 'liberal talk radio'
should qualify it for Public Funds and Support from every
American Tax Payer. PBS NPR, PRI and now 'liberal talk radio'.

Maybe Advertisers and supporters of 'conservative talk radio'
should be required to pay a 100% Tax that would be used to
underwrite 'liberal talk radio' programming.

Maybe the Mega Stationed "Evil Empire" Clear Channel should
be required to provide Equal Access and Equal Time on a
Station-per-Station and Hour-per-Hour basis for every minute
of the hateful 'conservative talk radio' with the more
enlightened 'liberal talk radio'.

The Ought To Be A Rule {The Fairness Doctrine}
.... but then again that was Against the Law :o)


jftfoi ~ RHF

..

"N8KDV" wrote in message
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When you don't pay, you don't get to play radio.

And that is exactly what the Air America folks are doing!

Playing radio... it's almost as funny as watching my puppet Mikey dance!



Putting a stop on a check strikes me as a strange business move. This
problem could go to court weather or not the check is stopped, so I'd think
Air America would rather broadcast while the whole issue is being settled.

Of course, this advertising-check stop story is second hand to me. I'd
don't know any of the real facts. The station is playing some Asian
language broadcast now.

Frank Dresser

"Tom Betz" wrote

| According to Air America, Arthur Liu (the radio station owner) is a lying
| sleazebag.

Oh, sure, the KoolAid drikers have been duped!
Now it all makes sense.

I choose to believe they've exhibited, at the least,
poor judgment in locating a suitable broadcast
outlet for their drivel, but I suppose you can believe
whatever you like, if that makes you feel better.

73,

Steve Lawrence
KA0PMD
Burnsville, Minnesota


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"Frank Dresser" wrote:

| One of the posters on the chi.general board says he was listening on the
| internet feed, and Air America has some sort of advertising beef with the
LA
| station. Air America put a stop on the LA check. The station owner
| retaliated by pulling the plug on the LA and Chicago broadcast.
|
| Frank Dresser

In broadcastspeak, Air America is a "clambake."

Poor judgment, coupled with detestably boring programming,
equals failure right out of the gates.

Too bad, I really looked forward to a diverse viewpoint,
to be educated about what the Democraps stand for, but
all I've heard to date is, "George Bush and his administration
suck, 'n stuff."

The interview with the fellow who wrote "Perfectly Legal"
was the sole worthwhile effort to date.

73,

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KA0PMD
Burnsville, Minnesota


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Quoth "Frank Dresser" in
:

Air America has some sort of advertising beef with the LA
station.

Not an advertising beef. They leased the two months prior to their debut,
and allowed Arthur Liu to run filler during those two months.

Liu, in violation of their contract, leased the LA station during those two
months to someone else. It's as if you rented an apartment from someone else
but couldn't move in for two months, so the landlord rents it to someone
else. When Air America discovered this (two days ago) they notified Liu that
they wanted to arbitrate this violation per their contract and stopped
payment on one check for the LA station per their contract. Liu, in
violation of BOTH contracts, cut them off in both LA and Chicago.

I'm reading that Liu has a long history as a sleazier-than-usual station
owner.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Quoth "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" in
ink.net:

I choose to believe they've exhibited, at the least,
poor judgment in locating a suitable broadcast
outlet

I'll agree with you there. It turns out (based on a review of FEC donation
records) that Arthur Liu, who owns the Chicago and LA stations, is a sleazy
republican.

But I repeat myself...

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message
ink.net...


In broadcastspeak, Air America is a "clambake."

Poor judgment, coupled with detestably boring programming,
equals failure right out of the gates.

Maybe the current people will figure out what they're trying to do soon.
(doesn't seem likely). Maybe somebody else will get it right. (That's a
possibility).

Too bad, I really looked forward to a diverse viewpoint,
to be educated about what the Democraps stand for, but
all I've heard to date is, "George Bush and his administration
suck, 'n stuff."

Yeah, I think there's a market for Democrat radio if it's done well. But
there must be reason to enjoy being a Democrat, beside hating Republicans.


The interview with the fellow who wrote "Perfectly Legal"
was the sole worthwhile effort to date.

Too bad. I missed it.


73,

Steve Lawrence
KA0PMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

Frank Dresser

Quoth "Frank Dresser" in
:

Air America has some sort of advertising beef with the LA
station.

Not an advertising beef. They leased the two months prior to their debut,
and allowed Arthur Liu to run filler during those two months.

Liu, in violation of their contract, leased the LA station during those
two months to someone else. It's as if you rented an apartment from
someone but couldn't move in for two months, so the landlord rents it
to someone else. When Air America discovered this (two days ago) they
notified Liu that they wanted to arbitrate this violation per their
contract and stopped payment on one check for the LA station per their
contract. Liu, in violation of BOTH contracts, cut them off in both LA
and Chicago.

I'm reading that Liu has a long history as a sleazier-than-usual station
owner.




--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Frank Dresser" wrote:

| The interview with the fellow who wrote "Perfectly Legal"
| was the sole worthwhile effort to date.
|
| Too bad. I missed it.

It was one of the most infuriating interviews I've heard in my life.
At any rate, I'm reserving the book at the public library in Burnsville.
I'd highly suggest it - the book sounds like a great read!

73,

Steve Lawrence
Burnsville, MinneSNOWta


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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Not an advertising beef. They leased the two months prior to their debut,
and allowed Arthur Liu to run filler during those two months.

Liu, in violation of their contract, leased the LA station during those
two
months to someone else. It's as if you rented an apartment from someone
else
but couldn't move in for two months, so the landlord rents it to someone
else. When Air America discovered this (two days ago) they notified Liu
that
they wanted to arbitrate this violation per their contract and stopped
payment on one check for the LA station per their contract. Liu, in
violation of BOTH contracts, cut them off in both LA and Chicago.

I'm reading that Liu has a long history as a sleazier-than-usual station
owner.


OK, I don't have any first hand knowledge of the facts. Let's say Liu is a
sleazeball. Why stop his check? Take him to arbitration. Take him to
court. Stay on the air, and fix the problems off the air.

Frank Dresser

Quoth "Frank Dresser" in
:

Take him to court.

That's happening now.

Stay on the air, and fix the problems off the air.

That will doubtless happen after the TRO has been issued.

And if Liu appeals the TRO, AA will be back on the air AND will be getting
huge press as a result of the suit.

In addition, AA, added six new affiliates today.


--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

Take him to court.

That's happening now.

Stay on the air, and fix the problems off the air.

That will doubtless happen after the TRO has been issued.

And if Liu appeals the TRO, AA will be back on the air AND will be getting
huge press as a result of the suit.

If Liu is an expirenced sleazeball, he has a better idea of what he can get
out of the courts than I do, maybe more than you do.

Air America is already getting press on this issue. They look incompetent.


In addition, AA, added six new affiliates today.



Let's hope they avoid the broadcast sleazeballs, this time.

Frank Dresser

Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:


"Frank Dresser" wrote:

| The interview with the fellow who wrote "Perfectly Legal"
| was the sole worthwhile effort to date.
|
| Too bad. I missed it.

It was one of the most infuriating interviews I've heard in my life.
At any rate, I'm reserving the book at the public library in Burnsville.
I'd highly suggest it - the book sounds like a great read!

I bought it and read it. I'd say go ahead and spend $26-the book is well
worth it. If I had enough money, I'd hire Jonathon Blattmachr to do my
taxes! :)

Frank Dresser wrote:


"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

Not an advertising beef. They leased the two months prior to their debut,
and allowed Arthur Liu to run filler during those two months.

Liu, in violation of their contract, leased the LA station during those
two
months to someone else. It's as if you rented an apartment from someone
else
but couldn't move in for two months, so the landlord rents it to someone
else. When Air America discovered this (two days ago) they notified Liu
that
they wanted to arbitrate this violation per their contract and stopped
payment on one check for the LA station per their contract. Liu, in
violation of BOTH contracts, cut them off in both LA and Chicago.

I'm reading that Liu has a long history as a sleazier-than-usual station
owner.


OK, I don't have any first hand knowledge of the facts. Let's say Liu is a
sleazeball. Why stop his check? Take him to arbitration. Take him to
court. Stay on the air, and fix the problems off the air.

Like Dish Network, who abruptly and without warning yanked BOTH Viacom
(including local CBS affiliates) and Turner Broadcasting because they
wouldn't roll over and agree to EchoStar's terms without protesting? It
seems that pulling the plug when the tenant complains is getting common
in broadcasting nowadays.

Tom Betz wrote:

Quoth "Stephen M.H. Lawrence" in
ink.net:

I choose to believe they've exhibited, at the least,
poor judgment in locating a suitable broadcast
outlet

I'll agree with you there. It turns out (based on a review of FEC donation
records) that Arthur Liu, who owns the Chicago and LA stations, is a sleazy
republican.

But I repeat myself...

It's hard to believe that Air America couldn't find a more sympathetic
station owner to run their stuff.

On 15 Apr 2004 03:09:13 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote:

But, yes - they should not have stopped-payment.


They say that they did not stop payment.

"Don Brady" wrote in message
...
On 15 Apr 2004 03:09:13 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote:

But, yes - they should not have stopped-payment.


They say that they did not stop payment.

Here's a quote from Air America's website:

"Evan found out about it and he stopped payment on a check to keep Liu-cifer
from ripping him off even more."

http://airamericaradio.com/pub/resNews.htm

Frank Dresser

On 15 Apr 2004 03:57:34 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote:


Well, who knows for sure then?

I think it's safe to presume that the station owner yanked the plug
because, for whatever reason, an account was in arrears or went otherwise
unpaid and was past due.


Actually hey have plenty of cash.

The law suit claims they gave a check but told the owner he should not cash it
because he was billing two different clients (Air America and another) for the
same time.

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...


Thinking that it's all "Show-Biz" to Franken and Garafolo, is it within
the realm of believability that the incident might have been "staged" (for
lack of a better term)?

[snip]

According to what I've read, a lawsuit has been filed in New York.

I'm not a lawyer, but filing a false lawsuit seems like it might be a
criminal matter. That doesn't guarantee it's not fake, but the conspirators
would be taking a the risk for a publicity stunt.

Frank Dresser

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

Liu, in violation of their contract, leased the LA station during those
two
months to someone else. It's as if you rented an apartment from someone
else
but couldn't move in for two months, so the landlord rents it to someone
else. When Air America discovered this (two days ago) they notified Liu
that
they wanted to arbitrate this violation per their contract and stopped
payment on one check for the LA station per their contract. Liu, in
violation of BOTH contracts, cut them off in both LA and Chicago.

Air America says Liu is ripping them off for a million bucks. Let's see --
60 days x 24 hours = 1440 hours. $1,000,000 / 1440 = $694.44!

Can small time stations really bill almost $700 an hour? Amazing! Air
America should buy 150 hours of time from Alan Weiner, and he can buy his
windmill!

Frank Dresser

tommyknocker wrote in
:

It's hard to believe that Air America couldn't find a more sympathetic
station owner to run their stuff.

Their initial plan was to buy outright six radio stations, but right now,
with media consolidation in full swing and the FCC's loose rules about
multiple-station ownership allowing concentration of ownership in few
hands, that wasn't possible.

LA and Chicago are tight radio markets. They had to do business with
someone who was losing money with what was being aired before.


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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

The one good thing that may result from this is the hidden backers of
this network will be revealed.

--
Telamon


Well, let's see. The boredom of the one-note DemoProp is sometimes
interrupted by bursts of ear-splitting shrillness. Air America has the
propaganda value of Radio Tirana, but has no bridge building updates.

Now, they've pulled a bonehead move, and are off the air in thier #2 and #3
markets.

I suppose the hidden backers could be the Republicians.

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in
:

I suppose the hidden backers could be the Republicians.

According to
http://www.guampdn.com/news/stories/20040416/localnews/238521.html
one of them (Evan Montvel-Cohen) used to be "chief of staff for former
Republican Sen. Tommy Tanaka" and "collected and spent nearly $15,000 for
several negative television and print ads about Democratic Sen. Ben
Pangelinan" -- in Guam, that is.

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|but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? |
|been a wee bit more specific. | http://tinyurl.com/ps2u |

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...

Their initial plan was to buy outright six radio stations, but right now,
with media consolidation in full swing and the FCC's loose rules about
multiple-station ownership allowing concentration of ownership in few
hands, that wasn't possible.


I'm not sure how this follows. Media consolidation is in full swing. The
FCC now has loose rules about multiple station ownership. Air America can't
buy the stations they planned on buying. Was Air America planning to buy
stations already owned by the big networks?



LA and Chicago are tight radio markets. They had to do business with
someone who was losing money with what was being aired before.


If Air America paid Liu a million dollars for two months, that breaks down
to almost $600/hr. How can a small time 1kw-5kw brokered station lose money
even if the charge 25% of that amount? The brokered 100kw domestic SW
broadcasters get by on about $25/hr.

Was a million for a couple of months the best deal Air America could cut?

Frank Dresser