(Mediaguy500) wrote in message ...

I failed to get my ham radio liscence because of them, even though I know that
most of my answers were correct.

They just didn't want me to become a ham in order to keep their little ham club
"exclusive" to theirselves. and so they abused their priveleges.

I heard the local ham repeater frequency in the 144 to 148 mhz band, went to
the place they said, paid the money they said ( at least 3 times higher than
what it costs roday) and took my test (after studying of course).

The questions were not completely the same as the material that the book
taught. Most of them were completely different.

One of the questions on the actual ham test I took was "What is ATV and what
does it refer to"

I answered that it stood for "amateur tv" which some ham operators transmit.

After the test was over, the examiners (real hams. I had heaard them on my
local ham repeater including call letters and lalso listed in the ham directory
book) marked that question wrong and told me that that was the wrong answer and
that there is not any such thing as "ham tv" or "amateur tv" and that tv is not
allowed at all in any ham bands anywhere.

They then told me that the correct answer to that question is that "ATV" refers
only to ham radio sets that are installed in All-Terrain Vehicles".

And that was only one of the questions. They did the same thing with most of
the other questions also.

marking wrong what was definitely right,. and then coming up with phoney
answers that they claimed was the "correct answers" just to keep out people
that they didn't want or were predudiced against for some reason or another.

So now I say, bring back the days when the FCC gave the liscence exams instead
of letting local hams who abuse their priveleges when doing it doing it.

Personally, I think you are about as full of **** as a x-mas turkey as
far as this story, but if indeed this is a true story, why didn't you
call the fcc to inqure as to the status? Why not report the examiners
to the fcc? The stuff you say just doesn't flush. I think you made it
up. Such as the answer to the ATV question. Do you really expect me to
believe that crap? Sounds like a fish tale to me. When you take a
test, it must be given by three license holders. And you should have
all their names. If what you say is true, and you can prove it, "you
easily can, if this is true", Riley Hollingsworth would have their
asses for lunch. He lives for that crap. If they illegally overcharged
you? Ditto...He'd be on them like stink on doo-doo. But again, I think
this really is all just a fish tale. I bet you probably took the real
test, failed it, "probably the code test" , and now have your panties
in a twist. If I'm wrong, you can slap me. And hell yes, the questions
vary, and may be different than the study guide. They had a 500
question pool to choose from, and it is revised from time to time. I
just find it hard to believe that three hams would risk their licenses
to deny you a ticket just because you are ugly. What blatant BS...Most
all hams are ugly SOB's. Even many of the women...:/ MK

"Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord " wrote in message
...
I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel
it
should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands.

Do I feel that Amateur Radio be made a free for all? No, it should not.
There
should be a test, but not a really hard test, but not a easy one either.

I'll even admit, I'll never get a new Icom 7800, at $10,000.00 - I'll be
lucky
to maybe get a used 706 at about 400 or 500 or so.

After about 18 years of listening and talking on the ham bands I don't think
knowing CW has ANYTHING to do with the quality of any operator. Many of the
QRMers and trouble makers in ham radio are Extra Class ops. I easily passed
the 20 WPM code test and really don't see the point. Yes, there should be
written exams.

DeWayne K9KZ



Lloyd Davies - Time Lord and Talk show host
"On the Domestic Front"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/domesticfront/

"DeWayne" wrote in message ...
"Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord " wrote in message


After about 18 years of listening and talking on the ham bands I don't think
knowing CW has ANYTHING to do with the quality of any operator.

Well, of course. Why would it? The CW test is used to test CW skill.
Nothing more, nothing less. :/ MK

Mark Keith wrote:

After about 18 years of listening and talking on the ham bands I don't think
knowing CW has ANYTHING to do with the quality of any operator.


Well, of course. Why would it? The CW test is used to test CW skill.
Nothing more, nothing less. :/ MK

I would think it keeps the riff raff out. You have to be a bit more
dedicated to get that ticket.



mike

(Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord ) wrote in message ...
I think that since Morse Code is old, but not completely useless, I feel it
should no longer be made to be learned to gain access to the HF bands.

The ITU, for one, agrees with you. So do I, but that doesn't count for
much. When the military and the Coast Guard no longer use it, it's
pretty much obsolete. Except among some old-time hams. You know, the
ones that resist all change.

Do I feel that Amateur Radio be made a free for all? No, it should not. There
should be a test, but not a really hard test, but not a easy one either.

Some people think it's already a free for all; note some of the
comments about 2 meters. Personally, I haven't heard what they
complain about, but I'm also not in a major metro area where it may
occur.

I'll even admit, I'll never get a new Icom 7800, at $10,000.00 - I'll be lucky
to maybe get a used 706 at about 400 or 500 or so.

Nobody needs a $10,000 radio to yak with their friends; the "latest
and greatest" technology is not a pre-requisite to enjoying the
airwaves. In fact, some of the newer stuff isn't as good as the older
gear.

It's a hobby, not a life or death struggle.

Except among some old-time hams. You know, the
ones that resist all change.

true and strange because doesn't that defeat a lot of the purpose of what ham
radio was originally about? inventing and changing?

Imagine if they had stuck to CW only and resisted all chanfge to AM voice
broadcasting.

Where would that put us today?

No music radio. No tv. Just a bunch of short and long beeps of morse code on
all radio channels in use.

(Mediaguy500) wrote in message ...
Except among some old-time hams. You know, the
ones that resist all change.

true and strange because doesn't that defeat a lot of the purpose of what ham
radio was originally about? inventing and changing?

Imagine if they had stuck to CW only and resisted all chanfge to AM voice
broadcasting.

Where would that put us today?

No music radio. No tv. Just a bunch of short and long beeps of morse code on
all radio channels in use.

See... I bet I was right about you failing a code test...Most that
failed their code tests get overly emotional and irrational when
talking about CW. MK

(Richard Cranium) wrote in message . com...
(Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord ) wrote in message

Nobody needs a $10,000 radio to yak with their friends; the "latest
and greatest" technology is not a pre-requisite to enjoying the
airwaves.

That ain't no joke...Most 10k radios won't work any more people than a
$300 rig would. They just have more lights, buttons, and blinky
things. :/ MK

and besides me flunkijng that phonyt ham test given out by real hams at a real
ham exam, I was also out all of the money that I had to pay them to in order to
take the ham test.

Bring back the days when the FCC tested people to be eligible for ham
liscenvces instead of lettuing current local hams abuse their examining
privileges by wanting to keep their ham radio club exclusively to only the
members that are already there, or keeping out people just because of the way
they look ("they're not pretty nor handsome. I don't want them in this ham
club. Make sure that they don't get a ham liscence even if all of their answers
are 100 percent correct").

And yes, these were hams who had studied morse code to get their ham liscences.

And no the reason they were against me suceeding did not have anything at all
to do with me being a no-code applicant. Because at the time I took it, there
was not yet such a thing as being able to get a no-code liscence.

I had to study morse code also.

so because of my experience with them, I am now all for the no-liscence
required on the ham bands.

I say either that (no liscence required att all to get on the ham bands) or let
the FCC once again do the exams for te liscenes required to get on the ham
band, but in no way let the local hams do the exams. They purposely abuse their
privileges.

Mediaguy500 wrote:

and besides me flunkijng that phonyt ham test given out by real hams at a real
ham exam, I was also out all of the money that I had to pay them to in order to
take the ham test.

Bring back the days when the FCC tested people to be eligible for ham
liscenvces instead of lettuing current local hams abuse their examining
privileges by wanting to keep their ham radio club exclusively to only the
members that are already there, or keeping out people just because of the way
they look ("they're not pretty nor handsome. I don't want them in this ham
club. Make sure that they don't get a ham liscence even if all of their answers
are 100 percent correct").

And yes, these were hams who had studied morse code to get their ham liscences.

And no the reason they were against me suceeding did not have anything at all
to do with me being a no-code applicant. Because at the time I took it, there
was not yet such a thing as being able to get a no-code liscence.

I had to study morse code also.

so because of my experience with them, I am now all for the no-liscence
required on the ham bands.

I say either that (no liscence required att all to get on the ham bands) or let
the FCC once again do the exams for te liscenes required to get on the ham
band, but in no way let the local hams do the exams. They purposely abuse their
privileges.

Hogwash... study up and pass the exam like a man... or whatever sexual persuasion
you are today.