Michael Bryant wrote:

From: "Mark S. Holden"

It's a safe bet that phrase wasn't crafted by a professional writer, but I'd
think you'd agree with him.

What he said boils down to "those who feel non whites are incapable of
governing themselves are wrong."

And I think both of us agree with that sentiment despite some of the right-wing
anti-Muslim bigotry spewed in this NG.


Sorry for the delay in replying, but once a thread turns into a Steve & Mike urination contest, I get selective about which messages I read. Didn't find this until I went back to see if you replied.

Racism and religious intolerance aren't left/right issues. They're moral ones.

While most Muslims probably are good peace loving people, they don't get nearly as much news coverage as the terrorists. Good news doesn't sell papers or drive up ratings.

So most of what we hear about Muslims is related to terrorism.

Louis Farrakhan doesn't strike me as a main stream spokesman for Islam either.


I still think the President is clealy showing that, in his mind, he
characterizes the US as a white nation.


I see nothing to indicate President Bush is racist. Look at his cabinet, look at his judicial nominees.

An example of liberal racists would be the people who decided to prevent a vote on Estrada in part because he's hispanic.

Another would be those who criticize conservative black people because they don't think the way a black person is "supposed" to think.

Personally, I think you show prejudice when you equate conservatives with racists or bigots.

Interestingly, the Republican I've heard the most buzz about as a possible Presidential candidate for 2008 is Dr. Rice.


And you know that there are all kinds of folks in this NG biting their tongues
to keep from saying, "Yes, it is!"


You may have hit the nail on the head when you said "all kinds" - but not in the way you intended.

But I also think they're just a vocal minority, and some of the remarks are puffed up for "entertainment value".

Have a good day, Mark!


You too.


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RHF wrote:

MWB - You Stand Convicted by Your Own Words as a Promoter of
Race Hatred here in this NewsGroup [.]

But will MWB ever free up the truth?

Oh yeah, too people known for their respect of the truth, RHF and Lare. Too
right-wingers on a mission.....


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From: "Mark S. Holden"

An example of liberal racists would be the people who decided to prevent a
vote on Estrada in part because he's hispanic.

Mark, this is pretty outlandish. Democrats didn't reject him because he was
hispanic. They rejected because of his ultra-conservatism. Voting for him
because he was a hispanic would've been racist.

Personally, I think you show prejudice when you equate conservatives with
racists or bigots.


Possibly, but I stand by my conclusion that oyu'll find a lot more openly
racist bigots on the conservative side than on the liberal side. As a sample,
look at this very NG.

Interestingly, the Republican I've heard the most buzz about as a possible
Presidential candidate for 2008 is Dr. Rice.

I might vote for her. But I don't think the republicans would ever give her the
nomination. Never.

But I also think they're just a vocal minority, and some of the remarks are
puffed up for "entertainment value".

In other words, those openly racist conservatives don't really mean it? Yep. I
applaud your telepathic abilities to understand what conservative REALLY
mean....

But you're a good guy. I enjoy talking to you. If all conservatives were as
nice as you this world would be a much better place.

Take it easy,


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Michael Bryant wrote:

From: "Mark S. Holden"


An example of liberal racists would be the people who decided to prevent a
vote on Estrada in part because he's hispanic.


Mark, this is pretty outlandish. Democrats didn't reject him because he was
hispanic. They rejected because of his ultra-conservatism. Voting for him
because he was a hispanic would've been racist.


In the documents the Democrats inadvertently kept on a public drive,
there was mention of concern about letting his nomination get to a vote
because he is hispanic. I think Sen. Durbin wrote that one.


Personally, I think you show prejudice when you equate conservatives with
racists or bigots.



Possibly, but I stand by my conclusion that oyu'll find a lot more openly
racist bigots on the conservative side than on the liberal side. As a sample,
look at this very NG.


We'll need to agree to disagree on that one. I really think it's a case
of finding what you're looking for.


Interestingly, the Republican I've heard the most buzz about as a possible
Presidential candidate for 2008 is Dr. Rice.


I might vote for her. But I don't think the republicans would ever give her the
nomination. Never.


I don't know. She's sharp as a tack. She's got a lot of fans in
conservative circles.

It didn't really help him in the 2000 primaries, but polls on vote.com
after Republican debates consistently showed people thought Dr. Keyes
was winning the debates.

My guess is people who participated in those polls were probably among
the more conservative members of the Republican party.


But I also think they're just a vocal minority, and some of the remarks are
puffed up for "entertainment value".


In other words, those openly racist conservatives don't really mean it? Yep. I
applaud your telepathic abilities to understand what conservative REALLY
mean....


Eh, I think some of the crap gets said primarily to get folks like you
riled up.

And you tend to presume anyone who disagrees with you is a conservative
even if they haven't expressed conservative views.

But you're a good guy. I enjoy talking to you. If all conservatives were as
nice as you this world would be a much better place.


Thanks. Most of the conservatives I run into are nice people.

Take it easy,

You too.



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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: N8KDV

RHF wrote:

MWB - You Stand Convicted by Your Own Words as a Promoter of
Race Hatred here in this NewsGroup [.]

But will MWB ever free up the truth?

Oh yeah, too people known for their respect of the truth, RHF and Lare.
Too
right-wingers on a mission.....
That would be two, not too there professor.

From: "MnMikew"

Too
right-wingers on a mission.....
That would be two, not too there professor.

I stand corrected. I guess I was fixating on the number of times Lare has used
the word "to" wnen it should've been "too" over the past two days.


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

Mark, this is pretty outlandish. Democrats didn't reject him because he
was
hispanic. They rejected because of his ultra-conservatism. Voting for him
because he was a hispanic would've been racist.

So, God forbid, Kerry wins in Nov. and all of his nominations are blocked,
do you think the Dems won't be playing the race card? Its one of the things
liberals do best.


Possibly, but I stand by my conclusion that oyu'll find a lot more openly
racist bigots on the conservative side than on the liberal side. As a
sample, look at this very NG.

A few NG posters hardley makes a sample. Again your conclusion is drawn from
very little factual evidence.

In other words, those openly racist conservatives don't really mean it?
Yep. I applaud your telepathic abilities to understand what conservative
REALLY mean....

But you have all the answers right? So what do you use, tarot cards, crystal
ball, Dear Abby?


But you're a good guy. I enjoy talking to you. If all conservatives were
as nice as you this world would be a much better place.

And if all liberals were NOT like you, this world would be a much better
place.

"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
From: "MnMikew"

Too
right-wingers on a mission.....
That would be two, not too there professor.

I stand corrected. I guess I was fixating on the number of times Lare has
used
the word "to" wnen it should've been "too" over the past two days.

wnen? :-)

From: "MnMikew"

I stand by my conclusion that oyu'll find a lot more openly
racist bigots on the conservative side than on the liberal side. As a
sample, look at this very NG.

A few NG posters hardley makes a sample. Again your conclusion is drawn from
very little factual evidence.


So, just on a common-sense basis, do you really believe most Klansman are more
likely to be liberals than conservatives? If so, I'd like to see the FACTS you
base that on!


In other words, those openly racist conservatives don't really mean it?
Yep. I applaud your telepathic abilities to understand what conservative
REALLY mean....

But you have all the answers right? So what do you use, tarot cards, crystal
ball, Dear Abby?

God help me, but I base it on what they actually say. If conservatives in here
use racist rhetoric, I think it's a reasonable inference to conclude that they
are exactly what their words paint them to be. Do you have a different scoring
system?




And if all liberals were NOT like you, this world would be a much better
place.

Well, whether liberal or conservative, I think the world would be a nicer place
if we had fewer folks, like you and Steve, that think it's so cool to be an
aggressive asshole when you're hiding behind a monitor.

I'd wish you a nice day, but none of us even know your name. Hardly worth
responding to.


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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...

So, just on a common-sense basis, do you really believe most Klansman are
more likely to be liberals than conservatives? If so, I'd like to see the
FACTS you base that on!

I'd guess most Klansmen, the few that are left, are anti-government, whether
its liberals or conservatives.

God help me, but I base it on what they actually say. If conservatives in
here use racist rhetoric, I think it's a reasonable inference to conclude
that they are exactly what their words paint them to be. Do you have a
different scoring system?

So you're saying all the conservatives in here are racist?

Well, whether liberal or conservative, I think the world would be a nicer
place if we had fewer folks, like you and Steve, that think it's so cool to
be an aggressive asshole when you're hiding behind a monitor.

And your just so nice and reserved right? You're the Ahole here, ask anyone.

I'd wish you a nice day, but none of us even know your name. Hardly worth
responding to.

The name is Mike, have a good one.