It's probably that or back to the shelter.


SHELTER?
Hey, this is a Republican Administration;
Shelters been closed, Dude...

& Apparantly the average life span of a homeless person is..
22 Months..

Diverd4777 wrote:
It's probably that or back to the shelter.



SHELTER?
Hey, this is a Republican Administration;
Shelters been closed, Dude...

& Apparantly the average life span of a homeless person is..
22 Months..


I wonder how many homeless are the result of moving jobs to Asia?



mike

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.

On Fri, 07 May 2004 14:55:20 GMT, m II
wrote:

Diverd4777 wrote:
It's probably that or back to the shelter.



SHELTER?
Hey, this is a Republican Administration;
Shelters been closed, Dude...

& Apparantly the average life span of a homeless person is..
22 Months..


I wonder how many homeless are the result of moving jobs to Asia?



mike

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.


Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.



On Fri, 07 May 2004 14:55:20 GMT, m II
wrote:

Diverd4777 wrote:
It's probably that or back to the shelter.



SHELTER?
Hey, this is a Republican Administration;
Shelters been closed, Dude...

& Apparantly the average life span of a homeless person is..
22 Months..


I wonder how many homeless are the result of moving jobs to Asia?



mike

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====




mike

m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the police may need to take action.

Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in :


I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who changed
the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

A lot of those who changed the laws ostensibly in the name of patient's
rights were really doing it to cut the cost to state governments of providing
services to the mentally ill.

It's cheaper to let them die on the streets.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message ...
m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who
changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of
that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing
tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the
police may need to take action.

MSH,

In the 1970's the Courts {Activist Judges} determined that once
a Patient has Received Treatment and has their Medical Problem
'under control'. That the Patient was in-fact "Medically Well"
{Healthy} and 'had to be released' and Return to Society (the Streets).
What the Courts could not Mandate {Require} was that the Patient
'keep taking' their Medications once the Patient was in Society
(on the Streets) again. The Cycle repeats itself and usually
spirals down over time and someone dies.

~ RHF

..

= = = m II wrote in message
= = = news:%RRmc.14820$F04.6706@clgrps13...
Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

MII,

When they look at Males over the Age of 25 Years.

Then considering two Factors:

* Mental Illness

* Substance Abuse

The Percentage is in the Range of 75% to 80% for one or both of
these as being the 'primary causes' of the Individuals Disabilities
that "Result" in their Homelessness.

The sad fact (truth) is that for about 1/4 to 1/3 of these Homeless
Persons; that Long Term Care (Institutionalization) is their best
hope of a marginally normal and stable life.

~ RHF

..

RHF wrote:

The Percentage is in the Range of 75% to 80% for one or both of
these as being the 'primary causes' of the Individuals Disabilities
that "Result" in their Homelessness.

The sad fact (truth) is that for about 1/4 to 1/3 of these Homeless
Persons; that Long Term Care (Institutionalization) is their best
hope of a marginally normal and stable life.

That may well be true, however it would appear too many of these people
are winding up in jails with no treatment at all. It becomes a cycle of
'catch and release'. The potential for abuse exists too. When the sole
arbiters of detention/freedom have NO connection to the courts, you
build up a parallel sytem of judgment and detention.

In some totalitarian systems, this fact was abused to the clear
advantage of the power structure.



mike